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    Posted: 01 March 2015 at 8:14pm
I don't know where else to put this question....

When did the sunni-shia split take shape?  When did the battles between the two begin?
During the Ottoman empire wasn't there one islam?  Or were there sunni-shia battles going on, even then?
Has Saudi-arabia always stood alone?


When did islam begin to be referred to as 'religion of peace'?  and why?  Where does this conception come from?
Is it, has it been, because muslims us the greeting asalaam alaykum?


Edited by Caringheart - 03 March 2015 at 12:04am
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I'm reviving this thread.
I can't believe there have been no responses.

I am listening to the interview of Charlie Rose with with Haider al-Abadi, and again find myself asking the question...

Was the Ottoman empire Sunni or Shia?

I ask this because we now have,

Saudi Arabia - Sunni
Iran - Shia
Syria - Shia
Iraq - majority Shia

How did this come about?


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This is a history as well  political and theology topic, hardly a laymen qualification.

Amazingly I heard few times laymen discussing this topic.
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Greetings 6wlds2go,

Thanks for replying here.  I have been wanting to revive this thread again.

I have been wanting to ask;

What is the difference in practice of a sunni versus a shia?
Why do they fight one another?

What would a sunni leader impose that a shia can not accept?
and what would a shia leader impose that a sunni can not accept?

Why do sunni leaders not treat shia as equals?
and why do shia leaders not treat sunni as equals?

What in all practicality is the difference between them?  other than a political power struggle from centuries ago?

I would like to know what it is that a sunni finds so difficult about a shia leadership?

Shukran and salaam,
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Edited by Caringheart - 28 May 2016 at 5:35pm
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Hi
Shia and Sunni are the same, just a bit of difference.
and those who fight their Muslim brothers are ignorant.
Like those ignorant who killed each other in the name of Protestant and Catholic in Europe.
The Common things between them are :
1-Pray the Same God
2-Pray The Same Direction (Mecca)
3-Travel (Pilgrimage) to Mecca (Haj)
4-Fast The Same Month
5-Follow The Teachings of Prophet (Peace be Upon Him)(Called Sunnah)
6-Paying Zakat( a form of alms-giving and religious tax in Islam)
7-Believing in the other world and the life after.The Last Judgement
8-...


Now The Differences
The Sunnis believe that after Prophet of Islam, There were four Men taking his place for ruling the Government.
1-Abubakr
2-Omar
3-Osman
4-Ali (Peace be Upon Him)

Shia Believes Prophet Himself introduced his Successorو Ali (Peace be Upon Him) but the Ruling Position was taken away from him by the Abubakr, Omar and Osman

Also

Shia historians hold that Umar called for Ali (PBUH) and his men to come out and swear allegiance to Abu Bakr. When they did not, Umar broke in, resulting in Fatimah's ribs being broken by being pressed between the door and the wall causing her to miscarry Muhsin which led to her eventual death (Martyrdom).

Fatima (PBUH) is the only daughter of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) and of of Ali (PBUH)



Shia Believes after Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) There are 12 Successors Determined By Allah, Carrying The Mission of Guidance The whole world that who are worthy of ruling   the Islamic State. 11 of them have been Killed (martyred) and the last of them is alive and hidden which will be back with Jesus (PBUH) in The end to save the world from oppression and darkness.

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These Statistics may be useful



Iran
90% to 95% Shia
8% to 4%   Sunni
2%        non-Muslim -Christians, Jews, Bahais, Mandeans, Yezidis, Yarsanis, and Zoroastrians


Iraq
65%-60% Shia
40%-35% Sunni
5% non-Muslims (mainly Assyrian Christians)

Syria
74%    Sunni Muslims
5960% Sunni Arabs   
9%     Kurds
3%     Turkomen are Sunni
13%    Shia (Alawite, Twelvers, and Ismailis combined)
10%    Christian

Saudi Arabia
7590% Sunni "Salafi"
1025% Shia

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Originally posted by adyiqbal adyiqbal wrote:

I think Iran is the biggest place of Shia's. 95% State belongs to Shia community. I think, after the incident of Karbala, Shia Sunni conflict started.



The word 'shia' came to be born in this Ummah at the martyrdom of 3rd Caliph Uthman Bin Affan (r.a). 2 groups came in to being. One was Shia of Ali - Party of Ali and the other was Shia of Uthman - Party of Uthman. The Shia of Uthman demanded the Shia of Ali to hand over the murderers which eventually led towards battle between them.
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My question is,
 in what way are their practices so different, that they fight with one another?
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