Life of Jesus: The Bible and Jews

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Mel Gibson's new film The Passion is drawing wide criticism from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). An ADL representative who saw a private screening of the movie at the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston, Texas, said "The Passion will fuel hatred, bigotry and anti-semitism by reinforcing the notion of collective Jewish guilt for the death of Jesus". Abraham Foxman, ADL National Director reinforced these sentiments saying, "the film unambiguously portrays Jewish authorities and the Jewish mob as the ones responsible for the decision to crucify Jesus". Rabbi Eugene Korn, ADL Director of Interfaith Affairs said the film contained several dangerous teachings that Christians and Jews had worked for years to counter.

Gibson, a Catholic by birth, will release his movie made in Latin language by July next year. According to his office the movie is based on the New Testament and reproduces accurately verses from the New Testament. Anti-semitism is as bad as Anti-Islamic or anti-Christian rhetoric. Hatred and religious bigotry are wrong and they must be fought hard by people of conscience.  However, the criticism that the ADL has launched recently refers to a much bigger problem related with the interpretation of scriptures attributed to the divine. The Old and New Testaments are described as divine scriptures by devout Christians. The two scriptures contain several references to Jews that may be termed anti-semitic from the point of view of ADL. How should such verses be interpreted and who should interpret them are some of the issues that need to be answered? If the inclusion of such verses in a movie is wrong from the Jewish perspective, certainly their readings in churches and synagogues may be considered a bigger wrong.

Following references to Jews in the Old Testament raise concerns as they may be considered anti-semitic.

Isaiah 1-2-9:
Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me. The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider. Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.  Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt  more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.  From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrefying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.   Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown  by strangers. And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city. Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.

Es 9:16 
But the other Jews that were in the king's provinces gathered themselves together, and stood for their lives, and had rest from their enemies, and slew of their foes seventy and five thousand, but they laid not their hands on the prey,

Es 9:15 
For the Jews that were in Shushan gathered themselves together on the fourteenth day also of the month Adar, and slew three hundred men at Shushan; but on the prey they laid not their hand.

Es 9:12 
And the king said unto Esther the queen, The Jews have slain and destroyed five hundred men in Shushan the palace, and the ten sons of Haman; what have they done in the rest of the king's provinces? now what is thy petition? and it shall be granted thee: or what is thy request further? and it shall be done.

Es 9:5 
Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them.

Es 9:6 
And in Shushan the palace the Jews slew and destroyed five hundred men.

Ne 6:6 
Wherein was written, It is reported among the heathen, and Gashmu saith it, that thou and the Jews think to rebel: for which cause thou buildest the wall, that thou mayest be their king, according to these words.

Ezr 4:12 
Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

These verses may be interpreted by many as a source of justification for violence against enemies. They project Jews as a violent people and can be used to promote hatred against others. Are they anti-semitic?

Regarding the controversy surrounding Mel Gibson's movie, the following verses deserve an authentic interpretation:

Joh 5:16
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

Joh 5:18 
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Joh 7:1 
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

Joh 9:22 
These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

Joh 10:31 
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Joh 10:33 
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Joh 11:8 
His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

Joh 19:7 
The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

Joh 19:38 
And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

Joh 20:19 
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Ac 9:23 
And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

Ac 13:45 
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Ac 14:19 
And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and, having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.

Ac 17:5 
But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

Ac 17:13 
But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.

Ac 23:12 
And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Ac 25:2 
Then the high priest and the chief of the Jews informed him against Paul, and besought him,

Ac 26:21 
For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

Ac 28:17 
And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

Ro 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

1Co 1:23 
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Re 2:9 
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Re 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

These verses project Jews in a very negative manner. Gibson claims that he has used the New Testament to accurately portray the life of Jesus. If he is wrong, then one must also admit that the New Testament is not very kind towards Jews as it presents them in a very controversial manner. Regardless of the authenticity of these verses, the fact is that they are repeated in churches  and home all over the world everyday. ADL has raised a bigger issue that deserve fuller debate. One must ask Christian and Jewish scholars to clarify the position  on these issues. The controversy surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus has already claimed millions of lives in the last 2000 years. It deserves an honest discussion both by Jews and Christians. Muslims on the other hand rely on their scriptures to understand the issue related with the crucifixion of Jesus. The Quran clearly absolves Jews from the act of crucifixion and declares, neither they crucified him nor they killed him. Perhaps it is time that life of Jesus is seen not only in the light of Old and New Testaments but also in the light of the Quran as well. This might help the two-thirds of the humanity to view Jesus in the perspective that is more realistic and accurate. Otherwise the controversy looming his last days on earth will create more hatred and bigotry.

Dr. Aslam Abdullah is the Editor of the Minaret magazine which is a monthly publication from Los Angeles, California. All biblical quotes were taken from Kings James version. The newer biblical translations omit some of these references.


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  Topics: Bible, Jews, Prophet Jesus (Isa)
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
Jazak Allah khair - abu hamzah! Masha'Allah.

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu.

--Yahya Bergum
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ABU HAMZAH FROM SINGAPORE said:
Dan wrote:
>and that truth first and foremost is God So
>Loved the world that he gave his only begotten
>Son "Jesus" so that whomever believes on him
>shall be saved" God bless always..in Jesus
>Love..Dan

Hi Dan,

Correct your sources dear.
The word begotten is removed from John 3:16 by the bible revisers. I smell the work of ADL ;-)

with peace,
abu hamzah
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ABU HAMZAH FROM SINGAPORE said:
>Maybe I'm too easy to please, but I don't blame
>anyone now for a 2000 year old death.

;-) Maybe our Christian brethren don't think that way. They hold me responsible for what Adam and Eve did thousands of years ago.

peace be on you.
abu hamzah
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ABU HAMZAH FROM SINGAPORE said:
Omar Minyawi wrote:
>There could be another understanding for the
>Quranic texts and the events of that time. The
>word 'crucified' in the Quran does not mean just
>putting someone on the cross, rather it means
>being killed on the cross. And the Quran is
>telling us that Jesus (PUH) was never killed on
>the cross although he may have been on it. The
>perpetrators were just made to believe and feel
>that they killed him on the cross although he
>was actually saved. By the way the Quran also
>talks about other prophets who were
>actually "killed".

I agree with your opinion.
But please note that one can prove that Jesus (PBUH) was not crucified (killed on the cross) even from Bible.
For a more detailed explanation, please read 'Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction' by Shk.Ahmed Deedat. (http://www.irf.net/irf/download/index.htm)

Almighty knows the best.

Peace be unto you all
abu hamzah
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DANYA FROM USA said:
Although this article caters to the controversy surrounding this new Gibson film, I do not feel that it is an issue of utmost importance. The Quran may not blame Jews for the crucifixtion of Jesus (Alay His-salam), but that does not mean that the wrongdoings of Jews are throughly "absolved." Though the Quran presents a less biased and incriminating facet of this sin, I doubt that the actual problem that modern Jews and the ADL have with Christian scriptures will be resolved. Indeed, Quranic evidence contrary to that of popular Christian belief is a good deterrent to false, one-sided information, but that will not keep devout Christians from believing the Bible.

Another point I would like to make is that there is, unfortunately, constant prejudice and racism in all societies and it will continue to reign no matter what the general public does to hide it from plain view. For Jews and the ADL to be so adamant in trying to counteract this commonly-accepted Christian belief is futile and a generally fruitless appeal. People will believe what they will. Opposing views should not always be termed "anti-semitic," as they often are to discredit any anti-Jewish/-Israeli comments.
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BAK TANUS FROM SWEDEN said:
Jim Riner's comments are quite logical and based on that premise Jews are hereby absolved. Christians must now thank them wholeheartedly for doing the deed, because by doing so, they have actually helped to wash off all of the sins of believing Christians including G. Bush. Now I understand the love affair between the Christians and Jews - by killing Jesus the Jews saved the Christians....I think I will spend a lifetime figuring that one out.
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OMAR MINYAWI, PH.D. FROM USA said:
This article, unfortunately, opened the gates for all skewed and twisted religious comments based on wrong translations, and story telling of what happened during Jesus (Peace Upon Him)time. Like some reader is grateful for those who crucified Jesus (PUH)because that helped the humanity later on. Any way, enough comments on the comments.
My problem is with the writer's own word
"absolved", as if he is trying to solve the historical debacle between the Christian and Jews and the new movie problem. The Quran said that they tried and worked out to crucify Jesus (PUH)although they did not succeed because of God's intervention to save him to a higher place and apparently this is not "absolved". If you intend to kill and try to kill then you are not "absolved".
There could be another understanding for the Quranic texts and the events of that time. The word 'crucified' in the Quran does not mean just putting someone on the cross, rather it means being killed on the cross. And the Quran is telling us that Jesus (PUH) was never killed on the cross although he may have been on it. The perpetrators were just made to believe and feel that they killed him on the cross although he was actually saved. By the way the Quran also talks about other prophets who were actually "killed".
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
D. Berglund -- I am grateful (to the Lord) for your comments at this site. With respect to the last paragraph of the article, I am guessing that the author was not so much "offering evidence" as (perhaps) making a gesture of solidarity towards Jewish readers.

As for Christians getting some truth from the Quran, I can personally assure you that the Lord works in mysterious ways indeed. I would suppose that truth is to be found wherever the Lord (of the worlds) wills that truth be found. For what it might be worth, while I certainly assume that some of the religious doctrine within Talmud or the Catechism of the Catholic Church would not apply to "subscribers" of the Quran, I have received what I felt was valuable insight from these and similar writings - since having embraced Islam less than three years ago.

Now concerning what you said earlier, about writings you felt were suspect, please for a moment consider the poetry of the Psalms. It would seem to me that the kind of writings least vulnerable to tampering would be those most easily committed to memory. For instance, most authorities on the Holy Bible appear uncertain as to what "Selah" actually indicates - but the expression is found in a number of places within both the Psalms and Habakkuk. My point would be that "Selah" continues to be dutifully transcribed, even although authorities seem to be unsure of its actual meaning. I have read somewhere that the same or a very similar expression means "bow" - in the Aramaic language.

Also, as I understand it, Islam is the religion of all "monotheistic creations" (that is to say, Muslims) which "bow down" before the one who has power over all that's created. As I understand it, Islam is the religion of all prophets (may peace and blessings be upon them) of the one who has that power - of the one who alone is good. Islam, as I understand it, predates the Quran.

Peace be with you.

--Yahya Bergum
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JOSEPH LOVELL FROM UK said:
Interesting article. I thinks its important to note, even in the absence of 'honest discussion', that those denominations that have had a hand in the editing of newer than St. James versions have already given a partial answer to the question of 'the authenticity of these verses', i.e.:

>The newer biblical translations omit some of >these references.

However, my view is more straight-forward. It may be that Jewish individuals, 2000 years ago, were partly or fully responsible for the death of Jesus. Even if this were the case, though, Jewish individuals today are no more responsible for their forefathers' actions than Italians would be were Roman individuals were responsible.

As of the film, any attempt to represent Biblical events must either be to the letter, and therefore represent Jewish individuals' desires and attempts to kill Jesus, or they must be more controversially interpreted, and run the risk of being criticised as Biblically inaccurate.
The fact is that the Bible states that Jewish people were responsible for the death of Jesus. If the Koran states that Jewish individuals were not responsible, then the two texts are inconsistent. But I'm not sure of the words in the Koran - the article states that it, 'clearly absolves Jews from the act of crucifixion and declares, neither they crucified him nor they killed him'. The Bible likewise absolves Jews of the act of crucifixion, and that is what killed Jesus...
Maybe I'm too easy to please, but I don't blame anyone now for a 2000 year old death.

Chao, and happy Jewish New Year.
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DIANA STAINES FROM GREAT BRITAIN said:
As a Christian I see the Bible as the word of God. I do not think it is anti Jew or anti Muslim. There are good and bad people in every walk of life so you cannot blame everyone for the actions of a few in any group of people.
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MALCOLM FOWLER FROM USA said:
The ADL is obviously missing the meaning of who the Bible was speaking of when the term "the Jews' was used. One can clearly see when reading the New Testament that the people using the term were also Jews, but the term was indicative of the governing body, hence "the Jews" meant the government and not the ethnic group at large. If one only reads the context in which one finds the term "the jews" one sees that the people using the term were also Jews, both the writers and the protagonists in the writings. They clearly made a distinction between themselves, who were also Jews, and "The Jews" who they meant as their governing body of Jewish Leaders. If this assumption were not correct, then verses like John 20:19 "..the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.."
the Disciples were Jews but they were afraid of the Jews, the leaders.
On a similar note, one can see throughout the Bible that we are not to make distinctions on the physical level, as to race,sex, language, or beauty/lack thereof. The message of God to all is one of unconditional love and acceptance FROM God TO man through HIS Jesus who gives this to any who accept this offer. There is only one path because there is only one God
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CHAS MAGDANZ FROM USA said:
From the article and it's quotes, it appears that Dr. Abdullah and the ADL assume that Christians are angry that Christ was crucified, but would not Christians be angry with those who caused Christ's death only if we were angry that Christ suffered and died? I contend that sincere Christians are overwhelmingly thankful that Christ was crucified, for without His suffering and death, we believe that humanity would be lost for all eternity. I am not angry at the people who participated in Christ's crucifixion. I am greatful to them. They fulfilled God's will.

I agree wholeheartedly that hatred and bigotry "are wrong and they must be fought hard by people of conscience." I also agree that "anti-Semitism is as bad as anti-Islamic or anti-Christian rhetoric." Is not God pleased when people can overcome their bickering, while continuing to seek truth. Let all serious people of faith continue to help each other seek truth, which remains steadfast through intense, thorough, and unbiased scrutiny from all cultures.

Thank you for your article, Dr. Abdullah. It was wonderful meditation material.

Chas
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
D. Berglund -- I am a Muslim who is grateful for your contribution to the comments posted at this site. With respect to this article, I am guessing that the author was not so much "offering evidence" as making a gesture of solidarity towards Jewish people.

Concerning what you said, about writings you felt were suspect, please for a moment consider the poetry of the Psalms. It would seem to me that the kind of writings least vulnerable to tampering would be those most easily committed to memory. For instance, most authorities on the Holy Bible appear uncertain as to what "Selah" actually indicates - but the expression is found in a number of places within both the Psalms and Habakkuk. I have read somewhere that the same (or a very similar expression) means "bow" - in the Aramaic language.

Peace be with you.

--Yahya Bergum
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DAN FROM USA said:
Reading the numerous verses regarding the Jewish position on Jesus draws an interesting perspective. The matter is rather confusing. The idea that Jesus was crucified cannot
Be. If the Jews didn't kill him, how can it be that he died on the cross as a sacrifice?
Clearly, the Jews were after him. The language of the verses demonstrates "a plot to kill" attitude yet every believing Christian says that Jesus died for man's sins. The whole
idea doesn't make sense.

If the Jews didn't kill him (which I believe they did not) then he was not crucified. The evidence to overtake him outweighs any idea in the entire Bible that he Jesus was put on earth for sacrificial purposes.

Unfortunately, the entire matter lacks the element of flow and logic and requires one to have a "cut the foot to fit the shoe" acceptance that Jesus was even crucified.
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DAN FROM USA said:
Please do not use Gods word to prove your point? thats basically is whats happening here..your attacking one movie that is only showing what gods word proves to be true.Did the jews crucifie Jesus? Indeed . are they to be hated for that ? Od course not..is it all part of Gods Devine Plan? Indeed again :o)..I think it would be best if we point towards the reasons Why Jesus had to Die at the hands of jewish leaders in that time..So please dont attack one Movie and think you are pointing to the entire truth..and that truth first and foremost is God So Loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son "Jesus" so that whomever believes on him shall be saved" God bless always..in Jesus Love..Dan
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NURAINI FROM MALAYSIA said:
hello, H.A. and akbar. i think you are both having some sort of communication breakdown here, because, i think you're on the same side, but think the other person is criticising you. and basically right now both of you are upset at being wrongfully criticised. i suggest you read each others' original posts with more open minds. sometimes when we type, things don't come out the way we meant them to sound, so try to guess the meaning intended by the writer, and not assume it yourself, ok? we shouldn't be fighting over trivial things.
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
H.A....again you can't compare the Muslims in Canada to the Muslims in Palestine, it only resembles propaganda and anti-Muslim rhetoric that commonly comes out of the Oval Office and the Likud Cabinet.

H.A. Said:

"If you do not like Jewish people, you can (if you wish) blow up the Jewish community in Canada and I want to see how many "positive points" you earn for Islam and Muslim."

WOW how amazing it is the way you spew such hatred. On one hand you are telling me that I hate jews, and then you are telling me to try to blow up the jewish community in Canada to see what happens. Do ye have any shame? Your accuse MANY LEGITIMATE SHAHEEDS in Palestine, blaming the displacement of their families on them? From that, I can tell that you do not speak of decency, instead you CONTINUE to point fingers and talk a lot of rubbish. Yet I have seen no positive resolution presented by you.

You can assume all you want that Muslims hate Jews, but you are misguided...your concept of what is a Jew is misguided...your accusations that Muslims hate Jews is unjustified and wrong of you to say...Allah knows what we conceal in our hearts, not you.

You don't know what it is like to live in Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan...for that reason I know I DO NOT..so who gives you the authority to determine who hates who, and based on what, what Saddam Hussain has said, or what you hear on the nightly news? All YOU are doing is passing the buck instead of trying to develop real change.

You should try doing this H.A....just take my advice believe me lol it's much better than the suggestions you are giving me.

Say, I don't hate the man, I hate what the man has said (or done).

Practice more sabr before you jump to accuse people (like myself) of mixing some unfound culture and politics with my Islam...practice on developing hidayat and to be in a higher state of Iman by having dhikr-Allah. May Allah, Subhanawataala be merciful towards you.
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Hey H.A.... just so you know, you are the one who is accusing MUSLIMS of hating jews. Who gave you the God given authority to proclaim that:

"Muslims are as guilty as the zionists for not solving this problem." IN reference to the current catastrophe within PALESTINE. Well well it seems that you are, like I said pointing fingers. Let me tell you something, you can talk and talk and talk all you want, but I want to see what solutions you can provide please... I want to see what you are offering on the table to resolve these problems. Do you think Islam teaches us to point fingers at one another? No in fact it does not, so therefore your entire approach is filled with error, propagating hatred itself. Let's call that an oxymoron.

So I am suggesting to you H.A., whatever your name really is, that you should stop mimicking the actions of non-Muslims by pointing fingers all the time...try to be positive and active, instead of branding Muslims in general as being full of hatred for the Jews. How do you know what one conceals in his/her heart? You do not, therefore, accept that fact that only Almighty Allah Taala knows best.

You accuse me of mixing my culture and politics with Islam, yet you know nothing about my character or my position. Try and read the story by Hadhrat Umar ibn Al-Khattab (R.A.), who said that you do not know a man until you have done 3 things... 1)be his closest neighbour so u know his goings and comings, 2)Go on a journey with that man to see his good character, 3)Have dealings with that man to indicate the man's piety. U did none with me.

You erroneously deduced that I am mixing some other culture and politics with Islam.

FYI...Islam has it's own culture, and politics is an element that exists within Islam, not outside of it. I hope that you come to terms wiht the fact that the hatred you speak out against, you are enticing at the same time. Be wise, not otherwise.
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JAMES. FROM USA said:
Dont you mean "cruci-fiction." Christianity has more contradictions than holes in swiss cheese. If not for Islam, I'd be an sad athiest.
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LEE-CHINA FROM SP said:
I think his commentary only shows up his bias.. and in ability by his religion to face facts and history. It is said the truth will set you fee. I think the good doctor should open his eye to see the truth and the reality of his faith. As for the cruxifition, unlike the Islamic faith, love and forgiveness is central to the Christian faith. The cruxifiction is about love forgiveness and sacrifice. To you who alleged to be in a God, open your eyes. It will probably make you all less filled with rage with what is true.

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CHARLES JACKS FROM USA said:
Is this the time to school the Christians in the Jewish motto "never forget"? I think not. One book of the Bible blames the Jews, another blames the Romans. Any reading requires the reported history to be the result of both Jewish and Roman actions. To deny that is to be like those that deny the holocaust.
There will always be some that will fall into the error of wanting to punish the people of the present for the acts of the people of the past and if they were to be evenhanded they would need to punish the descendents of the Romans as well. These, if memory serves, are the Roman Catholics (like Mel Gibson). Is this self-hate or catharsis? One man's catharsis is another's embarrassment.
Under the trithiests paradigm the crucifixion would have to be an act of the will of God and therefore neither the Jews nor the Romans could do otherwise. But from the Muslim perspective Jesus was a christ and the Jews and Romans were acting as agents of darkness. A mature attitude is that both are true in a way with even the agent of darkness playing a role in the plan of God whether it likes it or not.
This world is about separating out the good from the bad and everyone should be careful about what excites them in their treatment of others and how they separate out the injections of the agents of darkness in the paradigms of theology and cosmology. Don't think that how you think of the purported crucifixion isn't a test.
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H.A. FROM SHANTIISTAN, LAKE ONTARIO said:
Mr. Khan,
I am going to be very polite and nice with you ...

You mentioned I am spreading hate. What is your evidence for this claim?

Regarding Jews, I said Muslims and others MUST STOP HATING them for whatever reasons it may be.. It is true (from scriptures) that some Jews plotted to kill Jesus (PBUH) thousands of years of ago. So, why should people hate all Jews and hate today's Jews?

Do you like when others hate you? Do you like when suicide bomber's whole family gets displaced and the house get demolished? Do you believe in collective punishment?

If you do not like Jewish people, you can (if you wish) blow up the Jewish community in Canada and I want to see how many "positive points" you earn for Islam and Muslim.

Regarding Muslim women... I said they need to be more proactive in getting their rights as already mentioned and given to them in Quran and emphasized by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Didn't prophet Muhammad (PBUH) say that the best among you are those who are best to your women.

So, why are so allergic to the idea that Muslim women get higher education and be as equal as men in every respect? In almost all Muslim countries, it is true that women's education not emphasized enough. Mr. Khan!!!...individuals like you need to STOP mixing your culture with Islam...and also politics with Islam ... and learn how to treat women and people of other faiths equally exactly like Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) showed Muslims how to do.

Regarding the word "Mozlems"...I think you and particularly you, respond to different sound frequency when the word Muslim is pronounced. Everytime someone/mostly non-Muslims pronounces the word Muslim, it sounds like MOZLEMS...it was meant to be funny. I am NOT offened when non-muslims pronounces the word Muslim as MOZLEEMS...

Why are
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ALESSANDRO PAPINI FROM CANADA said:
Thank you Mr. Bak Tanus for showing us an accurate comparison of God of Abraham and his relation with Jesus between Islamic faith and Christian faith. I dont blame you for choosing the Islamic opinion(which you have described in last 16 lines of your comment) because certainly their opinion makes a lot more sense than the Christian one. As a Christian, I may not want to agree with them or we might not like their opionion but we cannot say that their's dont make sense and ours makes more sense. Islam is the only monotheistic faith other than Christianity that recognises Jesus, haven and hell, the judgement day etc... Therefore, we Christians(if not Jews) should at least know what their opinion is and then we could discuss it with them.
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ARIFIN FROM INDONESIA said:
A fair suggestion, but..might be unaccepted for many reasons.
Related to a major Muslims, as far as I understand,they do not hate Jews, or specific Nation, Religion, or Country.What they do not like is a specific behaviour like Satan or Evil;arogance, cruel and injustice.
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ARIFIN FROM INDONESIA said:
A fair suggestion, but might be unaccepted for many reasons.
Related to a major Muslim,as far as I understand,they do not hate Jews, or specific Nation, Religion or Country. What the do not like is a specific behaviour like satan or devil, arogance, cruel and injustice. Let's say : "Exploitation de l'home par l'home".
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YAHYA BERGUM FROM USA said:
As for the proud minister, he is to be ranked with the devil.

--St. Augustine
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H.A. FROM SATAN COUNTY, USA said:
I am in complete disagreement with Mr. Berglund. I am utterly shocked, horrified and dismayed. He says, "For a Christian, the Quaran has no authority or relativeness. Since Islam and it's book has no use for us,...."

Doesn't he know that Muslims worship the same God as Christians (except the son part and holy ghost part)? But still when you combine Holy Ghost (1/3) + Holy Son (1/3) + 1/3 who never descended = 3/3 = 1 TRUE partnerless God. This ONE TRUE God is the one MOZLEMS Worship. AND ADAM IS OUR DEAR FATHER and EVE IS OUR DEAR MOTHER. So, what is the difference b/w Koran (not Kuaran), Torah and the Bible?????

Oh!!! I am listless. He/she (sorry) sounds like the most IGNORANT bipedallic Homo Sapiens ever walked on the surface of this Earth.

To me, the only thing he knows about Islam is that ....ISLAM is an evil religion....All MOSLEMS ARE terrorists...Christians and Jews are good creatures...MOZLEMS are the bad ones...MR/MRS Burglund (sorry) is very enthusiastic and can't wait for the ARMAGEDDON!!!

Mr./MRS. Berglund (sorry), please STOP LIVING IN A BOX. EXPAND YOUR HORIZON OF THINKING. Learn to know about other religions and people of different faiths. If not, I HAVE A DREAM...One day your offsprings will be the Osama Bin Laden of the West and Start Crusade # III. Do you think any rightly-minded God will take their sins ensuing the path of killing??? Don't you think you are ultimately responsible for your own actions????

I do not think so. NO FREE LUNCH IN ANY DIMENSIONS.
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
who is allowing this fool H.A. to come on here and mock Islamic beliefs solely based on hatred of other Muslims, by calling us "Mozzlems"? Why is this individuals comment allowed to even be posted...to the editor, please either post it and respond to his comments, or just keep these off the wall comments of people like "H.A." off...just read his comments they make no sense he's just spewing hatred.

Instead of putting rudiculous comments on here mocking others, why can't you just answer JIM RINER's previous question...it's because you don't have an answer, you just come here because you are following a lost cause, in your failed attempt to point fingers...sorry to you, but your argument has no basis and just does not hold up. Anyone can throw comments around, it doesn't mean they are true, just because YOU said so. If you want a solid debate, try it with me by backing up your claims about, instead of throwing your hatred around.
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KOVITZ FROM TORONTO, CANADA said:
Christians believed that Jesus was the savior and has died for their sins. So, they should be thankful to the Jews for crucifying him. Otherwise, there would not be a doctrine of Christianity. Muslims view of Jesus as a prophet is making more sense.
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MAX FROM USA said:
D.berglund what the bible says about Jesus(s) is what should be suspected. It is a shoddy piece of work written by a slew of authors who didnt even know this great Prophet.
You're probably one the armagedon fanatics who support terrorism in the Middle East. What a shock.
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D. BERGLUND FROM USA said:
For a Christian, the Quaran has no authority or relativeness. Since Islam and it's book has no use for us, anything it has to say about Jesus is suspect.

Islam might be the ideal religion for those who chose it, but to assume that Christians or Jews might get some truth from it is strange.

I will see Mel Gibsons movie and will not emerge from it with any more prejudices that I started with.

As for the Jews killing Jesus, the New Testament has the Romans doing it, as agents of the Jewish leaders, and part of God's plan for everyone.
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H.A. FROM SATAN COUNTY, USA said:
I completely disagree w/ Mr. Nassim who says "...Jews have to be condemed..." . Only the those few who plotted should be condemned, NOT ALL JEWS and NOT todays JEWS.

Mr. Nassim, sorry, you are wrong. I do not have a Jewish girlfriend.
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H.A. FROM SATAN COUNTY, USA said:
I agree that Jews have become "special creatures" after Hitler's partly successful vision/goal of "final solution/extermination" of WWII.

So what??

Why should Mozlems and Christian HATE the JEWS? Thank Allah that Japanese hit hard Pearl Harbor, otherwise, my Jews friends would have been exterminated. WHO DO NOT AGREE W/ ME??? Any Mozlems mad at me for speaking for the Jews? Have I been bought by Zionists to speak in favor of them. If that's true, why I have only one $ for lunch in my wallet??

Why Muslims can't co-exist w/ Jews in Israel? Why don't they divide the land in right proportion and live peacefully?? Muslims are as guilty as the zionists for not solving this problem.

Why can't Muslims channel their energy into solving Muslim problems instead of blaming others?
For example, Why Muslim women are forcred to wear Hijab in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and in Iraq? At the same token, Why Muslim women in America showing belly button and dancing in clubs and still claiming to be MOZZLEMS?

Does Dr. Aslam Abdullah think about Muslims and non-Muslims who are crying due to hunger, poverty and war around the world, WHILE EATING LOBSTER DINNER IN THE BEST DINER IN CALIFORNIA????????

What steps has he taken to solve these problems???
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ABDLAH FROM UAE said:
Does the Qur'an does say that the Jews did not kill Jesus, yet some people (possibly including Jews) may have killed somebody.

We must be careful to make it seem that the Qur'an absolutely absolves people from a crime.

But I do agree with the author that looking at the issue with an added perspective (Islamic) could help cool tempers.
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
Jim Riner, very very well said..everyone read his comment because he has raised a HUGE question that needs to be answered....about the basic articles of faith according to many Christians and Jews, that is today in utter chaos and confusion as compared to what Allah taala commands humanity to do, through the untouched, pure and holy Qur'an!

It just doesn't make sense the way Islam's basic principles do...all it take, is the Shahadah. :-)
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ISHTIAQ NASIM FROM PANAMA said:
Indeed, Jews did not kill nor crucified Isa(PBUH)
because he is still alive. But there is no denying of the fact according to the Quran that they plotted his killing in which they failed becuase Allah raised Isa(PBUH) into haven. Jews have to be condemed for their malicious intention because they held grudge against Isa(PBUH)who came to them to reform. But they rejected him as Messenger from Allah.
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JIM RINER FROM USA said:
It's funny. On one hand, many people blame the Jews for the death of Jesus. But on the other, those very same people are Christians. Isn't the basis of their faith the fact that Jesus died for their sins? If the Jews had not killed him (as they believe), then how could his blood wash away their sins? With so much confusion, I'm so thankful that I embraced Islam!
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SUHAYB FROM CANADA said:
Obviously the Qu'ran teachs the truth about Issa. then mel gibson s movie shouldn't even be spoken about because, from the beginning it is forbiden to make any sort of picture about prophets!!! also we shouldn't talk about new testament because the catholics played around with those texts and translated them dozens of times. also catholics are the Roman church!! romans!!! no doubt they were slaughtering believers around jesus, so...the man who crucified jesus spoke latin!!! the only true christians are aramenian church, and maybe orthodoxs in grece etc. bslama
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BAK TANUS FROM SWEDEN said:
Even if the Jews did not kill Jesus, as per the Quran, the Jews killed someone whom they thought was Jesus. Is it not true that the Muslim belief is that Jesus was never killed as God removed him physically from this earth, and is kept alive, only to return to defeat and destroy the Anti-Christ and then lead the world towards peace and harmony ? The only difference between the Muslim and Christian concept here is that Christians believe that Jesus is dead and will be resurrected, where as Muslims do not believe that he died but will simply transition from his ethereal stage to a worldly state. Of course Muslims also belief that Jesus was a prophet of God and his birth was miraculous, as was Adam's and Eve's. Whereas Christians believe that he is, or was God, or was the son of God and died only to soon revive himself again. But if Adam & Eve were created by a miracle and so was Jesus then who is God's son and who is God's daughter ? Are Adam and Eve God's too ? I choose the opinion that they were all prophets and only God is God, who was not created by any one - a concept which may be very hard for our limited human minds to analyze, as we are forver trying to interpret things with our limited God given knowledge. God is and was and will forever be the one and only and he has no father, or son or brother or mother, or else there would be chaos in the heavens, with God's in perpetual war. Truly God is one and the only and it would be blasphemous to consider him in any other light.
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TONY S. FROM USA said:

Dear brothers and sisters,

I believe that it is high time, the Jews and the Christians have sat down with their Muslim brothers and sisters to discuss their collective fate. There is no excuse for any one anywhere in the world to pretend that Islam does not exist and that it is not worthy of exploration. It is our obligation to get to know and study Islam to see where we are and where we will be. Studying and exploring Islam will definitely bring another light to reality, which, I believe, would exonerate the Jews from all the accusations the Christians have tossed on them. Islam is definitely the answer. Ameen.
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YUGEN FARDAN RASHAD FROM UNITED STATES OF AMERICA said:
As a Black American I appreciate this article's view of Jesus the prophet because The American Black community is single-minded about this religious figure as the Salavation of the World, at the expenses of dialog and as a way to open up understanding and tear down walls.
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KHALIL O. ABDUL-HAKIM FROM PITTSBURGH,PA said:
Assalamu 'Alalikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

Sanhedrin: the supreme concil and tribunal of the Jews during postexilc times headed by a High Priest and having religious,civil and criminal juristiction.

Joseph of Arimathea: a rich councillor ofthe Sanhedrin who according to the Gospel accounts placed the body of Jesus(son of Mary--My two cents)in his own tomb and according to medieval ledgend took the Holy Grail to England.

Arimathea: town in acient Palestine, location not certainly identified

Iconium (Konya): city southwest centual Turkey on edge of centural plateau

Thessalonica (Salonika) (Thessaloniki): city and port North greece in Macedonia

The best book I have ever read:(Not including

Quran,Ahadeeth,Old Testament, New Testament,Talmud,Ingil,Gospel of Barnabas...ect)

....Is "Jesus Phopet of Islam"....a book evey Muslim(from Nation of Islam--to weak muslim --to Muminun)---You will never have a problem with a Trinitarian again !!!! If you do not know what a

Trinitarian is then get the book. It has everything in it and if you dont read the text the BIBLIOGRAPY is un matched! If you dont know about the Unitarians and the Council of Nice 322

AD and how the word Christian when from a slur to the ussage of today....(Do I need to say it again) Get this book!! If you do not know how the 25th of December became a holiday...(You know

already my dear brothers and sisters)..Get the book! The history of Christianity is in this book. You will never have a misunderstanding of Isa (PBUH) and it will strenthen you knowledge,

Iman and Taqua. A must if you have children living in a Non-Muslim Environment or contry or family. ----Knowlege is Power---

If you don't know why there are so many Christian sects (Unitarian and Trinatarian...ect)
And they speak about Sharia!

Oh yea.. the Bible,Quran and Science is in this book too....The Bibliograpy----Subhanna Allah !!!!

Forgive the length

Jazak
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BINARYKUKI FROM USA said:
I will absolutely go and see the movie even though i am not a movie goer. But rest assure i will go and i will take all of my family to make this movie the number one.
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KHALIL O. ABDUL-HAKIM FROM PITTSBURGH,PA said:
In the Name Of Allah

Shushan--was ans acient capital of Elam; ruins in Southwest Iran...(My dear respected btothers and Sister in Islam and Non Muslims..History is very important!
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WAKEUP FROM CANADA said:
I agree with the above poster MrMarcus that when it is very easy to portray other groups in movies that may increase hatred towards them not to forget movies on Arabs, Muslims Christians, Irish, british and even Nazi's why would we make so many negative movies again Nazi as it my increase hatred toward them too
but when it come to jews "Oh no its anti Semitism"
I remember a movie Patriot made aslo by Mel Gibson which was on cruel British rule over the Americas and the struggle of American people and it was a blockbuster but no question aske or finger pointed on how it will effect the British an American relation.

and as it says in this article "Rabbi Eugene Korn, ADL Director of Interfaith Affairs said the film contained several dangerous teachings that Christians and Jews had worked for years to counter."
i think by the word counter the Rabbi meant "brainwash"
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AKBAR KHAN FROM CANADA said:
At least when Mr. Mel Gibson portrays the actions of a group of people (the jews) from a certain period in the past, he uses something called a REFERENCE (the Bible) to make his case as accurate as possible. But when you watch True Lies, and Executive Decision, or some other American military gung-ho movie of the sort, you get this completely misconstrued, monolithic perception of what arabs muslims and all other muslims in the World are like. And no one can stop that?

Indeed, the Christian faith has been made to fit another moulding by the entertainment industry.

So let me get this straight, when someone tries to say that Jews might have been responsible for something bad happening in the past, then it's NOT OK, no matter what, for it to come to the BIG SCREEN...yet Muslims or Christians can be portrayed freely by non-Christians and non-Muslims, because some director calls it artistic expression or some garbage of that nature? I guess the big question is, who is setting the standards here? Months before this movie is even being released, it is receiving mass attention worldwide. Where was the Entertainment Industry when Hollywood invented "Crimson Jihad" in the movie True Lies to feed into people's minds? But no...make hundreds of millions of dollars off a movie because we want to get those evil Arabs trying to get a hold of Nuclear weapons, haha what a joke...if we want to be thinking in terms of being politically correct and not anti-semetic, as if that term is strictly reserved for the Jewish people and no other semetic race in the world, then I suggest this; how about Jews, Christians, Muslims retrace the lessons of their faiths first, and then maybe we can all do what is RIGHT, and talk and live with each other in peace with mutual respect for one another...to be wise and not otherwise. Thanks..that's all I needed to say.
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YAHYAH ZAMZAM FROM USA said:
As indicated, the OT/Tanach also contains passages that could be seen as anti-Semitic. For example...

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Also, the Jewish sages admit the Second Temple was destroyed by Rome because of the same kind of baseless hatred shown against Jesus, as portrayed in the NT...

"The Talmud says in Yoma [9b] that the first Temple was destroyed because of the three cardinal sins of Murder, Idolatry, and Incest; while the second Temple was destroyed because of baseless hatred. "Which sin was worse?" The Talmud responds "Look at the Sanctuary for proof". The fact that a second Temple was built, a relatively short time after the destruction of the first Temple, while the second Temple has still not been rebuilt proves that the later sins were worse than the former sins."

http://www.torah.org/learning/ravfrand/5756/shoftim.html

In summary, anti-Semitism has existed since the days of Moses, if we embrace those accounts, and bad people exist in all religions. If not for the NT or Jesus, people would find another excuse to do evil to Jews, and in fact, Jews themselves even suggest that it might be God's Will, as in the case with First and Second Temples. That does not excuse the evil, but it does go more to the heart of matters, beyond assumed causes of anti-Semitism and persecution of Jews.
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MRMARCUS FROM UK said:
If this movie annoys the ADL and all the other zionist pressure groups, I'll make a point to go see it.
As I recall many a product from Hollywood has debased the Christian faith, and we certainly know about the decades old slander against Arabs and Muslims (REAL bonafide anti-semetism), and in general, minorities. Lo and behold many of the producers are Jewish and had no problems doing such work.
But apparently their work is considered "art." I hope Gibson doesnt give in to the hate mongers.
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