Bismillah

You are being provocative... the statistical blabber in the tail-piece of your post only reveals your intentions.

My friend, I am also a UK resident (not just living in Spain!) and a registered UK voter with a considerable stake in our country, her human friendly system and civic society.

Now, you know and I know the real cause of our London tragedy. What's far more important, our Brit friends are not Americans. They can think.

And, thank goodness, we all know the Imam who has put us in this firing line. Perhaps, you may not be able to understand so I will spell it out: Tony Blair's part in an illegal American invasion + brutal ugly occupation has caused our tragedy.

Your attempt at stirring your own agenda through our tragedy is not just out of taste but outright vulgar. We will forgive you. After all we know you are just an American!

Brother Mockba, I have requested you somewhere in my earlier posts to behave with Americans on this site. You shouldn't embarrass them just because you can afford culture.

Let's be a wee considerate. You well know, it can be extremely difficult to grow beyond numbers (and, of course, sizes) when we haven't known anything else. Remember, when we are kids and, what do we learn growing up as the first thing?

1 . . 2 . . 3 . . 4 . . .

Please be kind to the kids of the world who may one day grow up to afford something beyond just dollars and numbers.

Sorry, old chap don't flatter yourself by thinking that I would hate Americans. Yes, I do pity their recent sorry state.

Do you agree with free for all invasions and occupations? Let's be a bit brave and not hide behind Saddam and his regime while we are talking about the reality of American invasion and occupation.

Terrorism was fathered by American interference in the world. It was not just born on it's own. Only some convoluted mind would deflect attention from the real causes of terrorism.

The London Bombings are linked with Britain's participation of Iraq war.

I like you. You kick back at the slightest flow of words. I used to be almost the same when I was terribly young and inexperienced.

Tube bombs 'linked to Iraq conflict'

� Thinktank says war boosts al-Qaida
� Blair dismisses connection

David Hencke, Westminster correspondent
Monday July 18, 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ - The Guardian

Britain's involvement in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan contributed to the terrorist attacks in London, a respected independent thinktank on foreign affairs, the Chatham House organisation, says today.

According to the body, which includes leading academics and former civil servants among its members, the key problem in the UK for preventing terrorism is that the country is "riding as a pillion passenger with the United States in the war against terror".

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The report says the security services, diverted by fighting the IRA over Northern Ireland and the rise of animal activists committing terrorist acts, failed to give priority in the early 1990s to monitoring Islamist terror activists setting up in Britain, so "the British authorities did not fully appreciate the threat from al-Qaida".

In the most politically sensitive finding, Chatham House, which used to be known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, concludes there is "no doubt" the invasion of Iraq has "given a boost to the al-Qaida network" in "propaganda, recruitment and fundraising", while providing an ideal targeting and training area for terrorists. "Riding pillion with a powerful ally has proved costly in terms of British and US military lives, Iraqi lives, military expenditure and the damage caused to the counter-terrorism campaign."

This finding runs counter to the line from Downing Street, which has sought to detach Iraq from the London attacks.

On Saturday, Tony Blair said the fanatics who struck in London and launched other attacks around the world were driven by an "evil ideology" rather than opposition to any policy, and that it would be a "misunderstanding of a catastrophic order" to think that if we changed our behaviour they would change theirs.

Amid the growing debate over proposed terror laws in Britain, the Tories will today offer Charles Clarke, the home secretary, the chance to speed up new laws, provided that the government delays until next year proposals to revise the control orders system for detaining suspect terrorists.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, will ask the government to bring forward full details of one of the most divisive parts of the legislation - the indirect incitement to terrorism offence - by a month to September, so MPs and human rights groups such as Liberty can study them properly before the bill is published in October.

Mr Davis will make his offer during talks today with Mr Clarke, which will also be attended by Mark Oaten, the Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman. Lord Falconer, the lord chancellor, indicated yes terday that the government might be prepared to speed up anti-terror measures if it could reach agreement with the opposition parties. He told BBC Radio 4's Westminster Hour: "We should not rush into things because these things need careful thought. But if the opposition parties and the police can reach a consensus with us, then we can do it very quickly."

Azzam Tamimi of the Muslim Association of Britain told a rally in Russell Square, near the scene of the bus bombing, that the Muslim community would not suffer in silence for the crimes of the suicide bombers. "We will continue to talk, we will continue to write and we will continue to challenge the government. I say to Muslims, do not bow to pressure to keep accepting those pointing fingers at you.

"Say, 'No, I'm not responsible for what happened on July 7. My heart bleeds, I condemn it, yes, but I did not make those boys angry. I did not send those bombs to Iraq. I do not keep people locked in Guant�namo Bay and I do not have anything to do with Abu Ghraib, except to denounce it.' Politicians, see what you have done to this world?"

My friend, it will be vey difficult to fool the world at this stage however hard we try. The Guardian is one of the most respected serious British dailies. It's not run by or for the benefits of the Muslims.

It will also help you to read the "Harpers Magazine" compiled by a non-profit Foundation for the past 150 or so years? Far better than some of these sites of your source.

Two-thirds believe London bombings are linked to Iraq war

Labour losing battle to convince public

Julian Glover, political correspondent
Tuesday July 19, 2005
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ - The Guardian

Two-thirds of Britons believe there is a link between Tony Blair's decision to invade Iraq and the London bombings despite government claims to the contrary, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today.

The poll makes it clear that voters believe further attacks in Britain by suicide bombers are also inevitable, with 75% of those responding saying there will be more attacks.

The research suggests the government is losing the battle to persuade people that terrorist attacks on the UK have not been made more likely by the invasion of Iraq.

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Only 28% of voters agree with the government that Iraq and the London bombings are not connected.

The poll follows repeated efforts by the government to stress that al-Qaida attacks, including September 11, took place before, as well after, the invasion of Iraq.

Yesterday a government spokesman said the prime minister had told the cabinet that people who used Iraq to justify the London bombings had "a perverse view of Islam".

The foreign secretary, Jack Straw, dismissed a thinktank report which argued that there was a link between the invasion of Iraq and the bombings.

The report by Chatham House, formerly the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said: "There is no doubt that the situation over Iraq has imposed particular difficulties for the UK, and for the wider coalition against terrorism."

Mr Straw said in Brussels yesterday: "I'm astonished Chatham House is now saying that we should not have stood shoulder to shoulder with our long-standing allies."

"The terrorists have struck across the world, in countries allied with the US, backing the war in Iraq and in countries which had nothing whatever to do with the war in Iraq."

But the Guardian/ICM poll shows the public believe that Britain's frontline role has made the country a more obvious target. And it shows that while Britons have reacted relatively calmly to the attacks earlier this month - with 83% saying they were no less likely to travel into central London and 75% saying they were just as likely to use the tube - the public does want the government to respond with new legislation.

A clear majority - 71% - want the government to exclude or deport from the UK foreign Muslims who incite hatred with only 22% believing such people should be allowed to live in the UK.

That may give some comfort to ministers as they seek to persuade opposition parties to support new laws making it an offence to incite terrorism.

But the poll also shows that despite the attacks, there is increasingly limited public support for ID cards.

Only 53% of those questioned said they believed ID cards should be brought in to help in the fight against terrorism - a fall on previous findings before and after the bombings.

Reflecting the relative cross-party unity that has dominated politics since the attacks, the poll also finds that Labour's poll lead remains almost unchanged on last month's Guardian/ICM findings.

Despite public unease about the prime minister's decision to support the invasion of Iraq, Labour has the support of 39% of voters (up one point on last month), the Conservatives 31% (no change) and the Liberal Democrats 23% (no change).

� ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,005 adults aged 18+ by telephone between July 15 and 17. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.

Derukigi, I am no one to draw any lines. I have never condoned any form of killings, be it in some street anywhere in the world by some persons or by the such noble MNF.

You are right, almost all the intelligence services had indicated that this fiction of Liberation would result in such a global mess.

Whisper wrote: The London Bombings are linked with Britain's participation of Iraq war.

There is always something extremists like to point to when doing insainly brutal illogical things.  What is your reasoning Bin Laden's start of a war against America starting in the 90's by his own words ?  if you want to relate to there illogical mental capacity please explain this one to me.

The day you begin to see the truth in some balanced way and see what US has done in the world in these 50 or so years, I promise you, I will join you in beating the tracks of all those dictators (though they were placed and kept by London and Washington for their own interests).

Is that okay, Bruce?

There is always something extremists like to point to when doing insainly brutal illogical things.

Sorry, it's not the bombers' pointing to something. This is what the global analysts' and an independent RESPECTABLE BRITISH thinktank has concluded. I know, it's a bit hard to gulp, but the US has sown a mess across the globe for a while and since binning an ELECTED GOVERNMENT in Teheran - 1953 - just on the behest of Iranian American Oil Company.

The American presence in Iran produced Khomeni. Otherwise Iran was a kool spot known as the Paris of that area. Real kool!!

Again, simplified geo-politics does no one any good now.  If you want to look at 1953 in Iran why not 1951 and 1952 when the US opposed an overthrow of the government by Great Britain ...giving Iran a chance to prove itself...at least let's get into the details and not just a good ol' blame the USA drumbeat..

How very interesting! They kept the Brits from binning an elected government for two years, but did it for their own interest. Thank you for proving my point.

Any amount of words won't correct the US image. It will happen as and when your country learns a lesson or two and becomes a wee humane.

How very interesting! They kept the Brits from binning an elected government for two years, but did it for their own interest. Thank you for proving my point.

Any amount of words won't correct the US image. It will happen as and when your country learns a lesson or two and becomes a wee humane.

How about the racist words you choose?  Are they of no import/consequence?
Are you out of your senses? Can you point out ONE racist word in my above post.

Beyond that let's look at the details of the situation in Iran at some point...I notice you're very willing to bring that up - what about the Taliban though, & hundreds of other governments across the globe...I've asked you specifically about http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1410061.stm%20 - in your native Afghanistan and you've really not gotten into any sort of discussion of that Sasha - why not?  No, it is only the US that is PURE EVIL to Sasha...poor Sasha, suffering from racist delusions as he does[According to Sasha: ALL 300 million Americans are 'stupid', 'foolish' and have a 'difficult time thinking.']

Wow, Sasha, maybe you could show us how to think and become racist, er humane, like you are?

Why would I wish to shut you up? You have not come to win any such importance as yet. I am not moved even to challenge your statement below:

Your complicity with Afghanistan's/Taliban's part with the mass murdering AQ kabal should give us all great pause with your claims

I know you have nothing better in life than just to bark at the wrong trees all the time. I have often shared my sadness with your plight.

Also try and keep in your extremely small mind that NYC, Washington (9/11), Dar al Salaam and Nairobi would NOT have happened if you were NOT occupying Muslim lands. It's impossible for a mediocre mind to think beyond his flag and nationhood - even when discussing global affairs.

You will need to grow up to live in this world and also to keep your something safe now.