supernatural

Caringheart wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzhfPSxkdb4 I was intrigued, mostly because I found this frightening.  I know these are the very pagan idols which the God of Abraham spoke against.  At least though, I didn't just dismiss what I am seeing and what has been reported.  I did some researching into it and find that there seems to be a plausible scientific explanation... although there is no explanation for why the phenomena stops after short periods only to return again at later times.  So it is still a mystery.

Thank you for proving my point!  You were skeptical of these so-called "miracles", and you find it "plausible" that there is a "scientific explanation".  Yet, when it comes to the so-called "visions" in Rwanda, in your biased view, they must be genuine, even though there are other, more plausible explanations, such as the ones I have suggested. 

By the way, you also showed your double standards with regard to the idols.  You admit that the Hindu idols are an offense to God, yet you don't seem to think the statues of Mary are also offensive to Him!    Those people pray to the statue!  How different is that from Hindus praying to their idols of Ganesh or Shiva?!  If Mary had genuinely visited these people, she would have warned them to stop their idolatrous practices.

Caringheart wrote: Aghhh... Why couldn't you have just watched the video?  then speak.  then maybe your input would have some value. Why couldn't you just keep an open mind and watch the video, and see the things which the Lady did have to say.  It's all in there.  If the people would have listened they could have been spared. It took me a whole day to watch the video through the first time.  I don't know that I can sacrifice another day to go back through it to show you the things that were spoken in the visions that absolutely would have helped to save the people.

 

You are so full of crap, it's not even funny.  Oh wait, yes it is...

I have already looked into the so-called "visions".  I don't need to watch the entire video.  I have better things to do.  From what I have read, the visions provided absolutely no concrete information, so you are just a liar or just plain confused. 

Here is what the "Lady" showed the "visionaries" about the coming war:

"...a river of blood, people who were killing each other, abandoned corpses with no one to bury them, a tree all in flames, bodies without their heads." (http://www.michaeljournal.org/kibeho.htm)

Wow, that's impressive isn't it?   

So, there was no information given that could have been used to try to halt the violence before it began.  Just vague references to a "river of blood" and "killing".  Yeah, that should have narrowed it down a bit! 

Caringheart wrote: You think with the limited mind of human being.  If the almighty Creator of all doesn't give it to you in the way your human mind thinks that He should, then it doesn't count... it has no value ???  (You really should read the book of Job)

 

Well, I am a human being, so how should I think?  

Since you obviously don't think "with the limited mind of human being", that must mean that you are not a human being!  Eureka, I got it!  Your secret's out, Caringheart!

Caringheart wrote: Who are you to tell God the way that He should communicate?  What if you were to apply that same standard to the angel that appeared to Muhammad?  If God wanted people to believe why did an angel appear only to one man in a cave?  Do you question allah on this?

Calm down, Caringheart.  Don't get too worked up. 

You obviously cannot answer the difficult questions I have asked.  I guess you were just joking when you claimed that you wanted to have an "intelligent discussion", eh?

I have asked perfectly legitimate questions.  The so-called "visions" would have been more impressive if some concrete information would have been given, such as the exact date that the genocide would begin, the ringleaders that would be involved and the warning signs that the violence was imminent (such as the shooting down of the Hutu president's plane, which was the immediate cause of the violence).  NONE of this information was provided by the so-called "Lady".  What a cruel joke...It sounds like the work of Satan to me or perhaps just a random incident of mass hysteria. 

Caringheart wrote: If you watched I do not think you would be making this statement. If you were to make this statement after watching, I could maybe accept it.  We could actually have intellectual discussion.

Right now, there is not much "intelligence" coming from you, just a lot of inane babble.  Periodic catatonia can easily explain the states these people were in.  So could demonic activity.

Caringheart wrote: You think I blindly accepted?  That just shows you have learned nothing about me in all this time.  I do alot of thinking or I would not be here to discuss.  I consider all things and am not afraid to research.

 

Sure, sure...

Caringheart wrote: Lady of Fatima so then you are unaware of the prophesies regarding the collapse of communism in Russia? and the attempt on the life of the Pope? These things which clearly came to pass.

Thank you for showing how much "research" and "thinking" you have really done on this matter.  For those who use their reason, let me debunk your nonsense. 

The first "prophecy" made by the...ahem..."Lady" was the end of World War I and the start of World War II:

"...but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given to you by God that He is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father."

Sounds impressive, doesn't it?  Oh but wait, here is the kicker:

"Lucia revealed this prophecy in writing during 1940 - after the Second World War had already begun. Also, it's interesting that Pius XI is actually named in the prophecy. When the apparition of Our Lady allegedly made the prophecy in 1917, Benedict XV was Pope. Pius XI became Pope in 1922. So either Our Lady also predicted the name of the future Pope, who reigned until 1939, or Lucia did some prophecy fulfilling of her own." (http://paranormal.about.com/od/marianapparitions/a/fatima-prophecies.htm)

And as for the alleged prophecy about the "attempt on the life of the Pope", here is what the "prophecy" actually stated:

"...the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him..."

So, if this was a reference to the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul, then it was a pathetically incorrect.  In other words, it was a false prophecy.  And by the way, what soldier still uses "arrows" in this day and age?

Caringheart wrote: You haven't watched the video so you are completely unaware of what the Lady said.  You speak with no knowledge.  You are afraid your own belief might be challenged?

Oh I love it when superstitious simpletons cannot defend their absurd claims and so lash out at those who criticize them.  Don't blame me for your so-called "Lady's" incompetence.  It is obvious that you and the other gullible people who believe this nonsense have been easily taken in by a cruel joke.  It was either a result of an elaborate hoax or the work of demonic forces.

Caringheart wrote: There was a means to stop what happened.  The killing was the result of demon activity.  If the people had turned to God, as the Lady implored them to do, they would have found the protection of God against these demon possessions.  You see, you have the idea of who the demons were, all backwards, which you would understand if you watched the program Ghosts of Rwanda.  You really should watch.  Those who did the killing have this many years later such grief over it, and speak of how they have no explanation, it was "as if we became possessed".

 

Oh how convenient!  So these monsters perpetrated some of the worst acts of violence and then did not have the integrity to accept responsibility and instead blamed the devil.  It sounds like they were trying to make excuses.  It would have been more prudent if they had just accepted responsibility and face their punishment. 

Caringheart wrote: It would help also in understanding the demon possessed men who remove the hearts and livers of human beings in Syria to eat them. We must be sure to recognize and separate what is true evil.

People don't have to be "demon possessed" in order to to bad things.  Responsibility lies with those who commit these crimes.  Blaming the devil is a cop-out.  The devil makes suggestions.  He doesn't force people to do things.  They do it themselves at the instigation of the devil.

Caringheart wrote: Also, had you been open minded enough to watch this video, you would know that the way Immaculee Ilibagiza and 6 others survived was by a pastor who kept them hidden. I'm sure their was good and evil on both sides to go around. Just goes to show, it is not about being 'muslim', or 'Christian', or anything else.  It is about being for God, or not.

  

How surprising that you try to downplay the fact that numerous church leaders took part in the genocide!  Of course there were church leaders who hid people, but there were just as many leaders who stood by and allowed the massacres to occur.  Why didn't the "Lady" point out these future murderers of the church?   

As regards the presidents plane being shot down...
you should listen to the radio broadcasts that were the direct cause of the violence...
They made vile statements and very deliberately incited the hutu's to violence against the tutsi's...
quite similar to how people were incited to violence all over the place, on the pretext of the Muhammad video, after the Benghazi incident.

"Men who hated the tutsi's took over the government."
"They killed, even their neighbor, babies and women, with no emotions."
You don't think this is demonic?

There is much to be learned from Rwanda...
so much to be learned.


Edited by Caringheart - 26 May 2014 at 11:45pm