Kaaba a Hindu Temple?

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Did you know that the Bible was constructed in the 3rd council by the Nicene council headed by the pagan emperor Constantine?

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Yes, the Bible was compiled and approved by Nicea Concil, they collected all manuscripts that were recited in all Christians ceremonies, and were always considered as genuine and authentic, those that didn't contradict the ancient doctrines and traditions. THE LATIN VULGATE, minus changes was made since then, mostly punctuations and spellings



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Did you know that some of your saints were constructed from many ancient Roman Gods during the council. They merged beliefs in order to make it acceptable to the Romans to whom they intended to make  the new brand of Christianity the new state religion?
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Yes, Due to Roman Paganism, it was decided to devote each day of the calendar to a Christian Saint, martyrs mostly, or Church Fathers



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That Christmas, or an early version of it, was created at this time and place on Dec 25th, the Feast of the Saturnalia, or winter equinox. It was a pagan Roman Festival.
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Yes, 25 Dec never was the historical true birthday of Jesus.


It was the only way to easily convert a Pagan Society as Rome, just convert that pagan ceremonies in a Christian Ceremony remembering the earliest Church Fathers, and all of martyrs perpetuated by  Roman Empire - Nero  etc...etc..

Mohammad did the same in order to His Own religion to be accepted by that powerful pagan society such as Mecca, He just destroyed all 360 Gods and left only Allah, in the first years even the daughters of Allah....which was abrogated later by Mohammad, not Allah

Nowadays Allah can be accepted as slightly image of YAWEH, but the origins where truly pagan. Arabs accepted more easily, after all Allah was already there since pre-Mohammad times in the Kaaba

That Christian Saints are not myths, they existed, there is manuscripts, wittings made by those Church Fathers, all over the world


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You see myths abound. Constantine had the earlier manuscripts prior to 3 C.E destroyed, the Quran was handed down by oral tradition, very important in Arabic society.
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Destroyed ? they still exist in museums and libraries

Whereas, the Quran was made by "Oral Tradition", yes..correct

Hadiths of Bukhari v. 6:509 p 477-478.

"There was no organized manuscript of the Qur�an prior to the death of Muhammad (pbuh). Most who memorized the verses of the Quran were killed in the Battle of Yamamah, and Abu Bakr was worried because some parts of the Quran were lost�.


Why couldn�t Allah protect the Quran if it is so divine ?

So many verses lost for ever, a book not arranged in importance, continuity, holiness, biography, chronology, spirituality, significance or sequence of any sort.

A book with a bunch of do�s and don�ts with threats, punishments, retaliations and rewards specified by Allah. A book without any parables, biography of any prophets, history, geography of associated places, dates and description of events, most family members of prophets, chronology, sequence of events, psalms, proverbs, inspiration, etc.

Even Hajjaj bin Yusuf, governor of Iraq, was proud of inserting more than 1,000 alifs (first letter of the Arabic alphabet) in the the Koranic text.

I wonder how many changes did muslims made in God's Word until the last version of the Quran was determined

Delta:
         Your started this thread based on some BS started by a crackpot and American Embassy employee in Indian capital who became a revisionist historian in order to cover up the shame of Indian servitude of over a 1000 years under Muslims. I can tell that is your heartfelt desire but how is it going to pan out?

I am looking at the Rand Mcnally's Atlas of the world history, what I don't see is the parts Makkah & Madinah have ever been under any of the super powers of old who were the biggies like of Persians and Alexandrians except of course the Muslims' own Ummayads, Abbasides and Ottomans.
Don't believe go buy one or go to your local library if you have one!!!

The Indians barely went past Afghanistan or Persia in the heydays of Chandragupta or Ashoka's Mauryan dynasty.


That knucklehead happens put forward a hypothesis  that  TAJ MAHAL was a shrine of Hindu deities too. WHo will buy that in todays  world? Yes if the Hindus are so jealous of Mumtaz Mahal/ Shah Jahan's jewel of a mausoleum where many heads of states have gone to be a witness of the historical monument.

 They can destroy it just like they did the Babri Mosque cuz they have the majority and the power but that is about it.

Fat chance for rewrite of the history!

If the Moguls were like the Catholic inquisitors and had eliminated all the Hindus in India but being Muslims it couldn't be!

I think Israfil indicated that in one his posts but you seemed to ignore for being a Portuguese Catholic.. You know what does it mean in American slang?

Your own credibility has been shot to hell with your reference to Oak's crap.

You can't even  protect your own Catholicism from the assertion of this awful Indian buffoon.

This is what your favorite author says about your own church: How do ya like them apples!!!!!!!!

He says that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna. According to Oak, "Christianity is a mal-pronunciation of the Sanskrit term Chrisn-nity also spelled as Krishna-neeti. Since Bhagavad Geeta is the book of Krishna-neeti, what we know as Christianity is a fossiled, broken branch of the Vedic tree, and in fact the ancient Bhagavad Geeta cult." Oak argues that the Papacy was "a Vedic priesthood" until Constantine the Great killed the Vedic pope to replace him with the head of the hitherto unimportant Christian sect. This instantly ensured the Europe-wide triumph of Christianity because of the "sacred sway of the holy hoary Vedic priest known as the Shankaracharya"
What do say now I think you are too juvenile to know any better. You need to grow up first before you waste more of IC people's valuable time.
CUZ I believe I replied on the travels of Prophet Ibrahim some time ago and you are back with that question.

Let's get this thing settled first then will see the answers to rest of your claptrap!



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 Thanks Sign*Reader, very good exposition of this Delta (Traingular fellow, Trinitarian). Delta should know that he has no faith. His religion is out moded and that is why, in disgust he is trying to malign the good religion i.e. Islam. What Delta is trying to do is that he wants to prove that he and his religion is false/ bad. He is trying to prove that Islam also the same bad. That is not a good way.

 It would have been better to for him to show some good things of his religion.

Abraham a.s. visited Arabia many times. Not once only. He was a great travellor. God promised him all the land that he could see. God said that He would give him all that land in inheritance. He was surprised because he had no issue (children from a barren wife sarah). So what was the use of all that land.

So Abraham a.s. prayed to Allah to grant him some inheritor. Allah gave him Ishmael. Allah made everlastin covenant with Abraham that his seed should be circumcised. Hedid that.

Please all friends note here the wisdom of Abraham or the divine guidance given to him by Allah. He took his wife hagar (Hajirah, the Egyptian young lady) and son and took them away to a faraway place in the heart of Arabia. That was under a divine plan. There he left his wife a very young son and came back to Palestine (Kanaan).

Later he went there again to see his family. He was only 86+ years old. Nothing much. By the time, Ishamael was grown up and running about, They together built a house of worship (Ka'abah) that is the oldest house of worship in the world. And hey pryed to Allah to send to the people a prophet from amongst themselves who would help coorect the lives of the people and guide them to Allah.

In those days, Abraham saw the vision that he was sacrificing his son in the way of Allah. He prepared to do that and asked the opinion of his son Ishmael, how did he feel about it.... Ishmael replied in the affirmative.... Issac was not even born then.

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Your started this thread based on some BS started by a crackpot and American Embassy employee in Indian capital who became a revisionist historian in order to cover up the shame of Indian servitude of over a 1000 years under Muslims. I can tell that is your heartfelt desire but how is it going to pan out?
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Yeah Professor P.N. Oak, believes that the whole world has been duped. It is a theory. Maybe a Hypothetical protocontinent with a  advanced and ancient vedic culture that was a global society

But that's not the point, you are diverging from the main point, confusing questions of Fact with questions of Relevance, making a flip-flop of the true origins of all the ritual practices in Kaaba

Nothing to do with crackpot Professor P.N. Oak, and theories


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I am looking at the Rand Mcnally's Atlas of the world history, what I don't see is the parts Makkah & Madinah have ever been under any of the super powers of old who were the biggies like of Persians and Alexandrians except of course the Muslims' own Ummayads, Abbasides and Ottomans.
Don't believe go buy one or go to your local library if you have one!!!
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Why not a Turkey Library ?


A inscription of King Vikramaditya was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

(Ref: page 315 of a volume known as �Sayar-ul-Okul� treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey).

the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram�s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya�s behest."


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That knucklehead happens put forward a hypothesis  that  TAJ MAHAL was a shrine of Hindu deities too. WHo will buy that in todays  world? Yes if the Hindus are so jealous of Mumtaz Mahal/ Shah Jahan's jewel of a mausoleum where many heads of states have gone to be a witness of the historical monument.

They can destroy it just like they did the Babri Mosque cuz they have the majority and the power but that is about it.

Fat chance for rewrite of the history!
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Forget Professor P.N. Oak, and theories

Why not trying to find some articles about the KING Vikramaditya ?

I'm not a historian


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If the Moguls were like the Catholic inquisitors and had eliminated all the Hindus in India but being Muslims it couldn't be!
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You can see in Inquisition a version of Christian's Kingdom Sharia, and how it is dangerous to mix up religion with civil affairs. During that middle-age times the Pope was often threatened of SCHISM by kings all over Europe. It was not a Catholicism Inquisition, but King's Inquisition. There is much to say about that


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I think Israfil indicated that in one his posts but you seemed to ignore for being a Portuguese Catholic.. You know what does it mean in American slang?

Your own credibility has been shot to hell with your reference to Oak's crap.
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I don't ignore nothing what is factual


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He says that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna.
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Krishna is just the hero of the 18th chapter of the novel or epic Mahabharata, the Bhagavad-gita, who never existed as a person

He is the result of divinization of a novel hero, like the Greek or Roman gods. It is like making a god out of Hamlet or Sherlock Holmes who never existed, only in the mind of the writer, of Shakespeare and Sir Arthur Conon Doyle

There are many wonderful novels and epics with great moral and social teachings, but you can't make each Heroe of a Novel to be God. In this logic you can take little Hobbit Frodo from Tolkien's "Lord of The Rings" as God

Most Hindu gods do not exist as a person and they never existed, they are the result of divinization of novels or epics heroes, like the Greek or Roman gods... or like the many false gods of ANIMISM

But Jesus existed because you have writtings of  Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus Flavius,  Babylonian Talmud, Lucian ( a ancient Greek rhetorician, Samosata ), and there is also also thousands of old christians manuscripts around the world

This is a good reason to turn Hindus to Christianity

And everybody knows that Judaism was the only one true monotheist religion in the middle-east for thousands years before Jesus, always proud to worship YAWEH and keeping their traditions, whereas the surrounding kingdoms worshiped idols











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