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Delta 
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Joined: 16 April 2007
Location: Portugal
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Points: 114
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 Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:18am |
============= Thanks Sign*Reader, very good exposition of this Delta (Traingular fellow, Trinitarian). Delta should know that he has no faith.
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LOL :)
In the other hand I call Islam as Quadrinity faith ( Allah + Mohammad + Koran + Mecca )
I have a strong faith, Roman Catholic
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Abraham a.s. visited Arabia many times. Not once only. He was a great travellor. God promised him all the land that he could see. God said that He would give him all that land in inheritance. He was surprised because he had no issue (children from a barren wife sarah). So what was the use of all that land. ==================== Nowhere in the Quran does Abraham ever leave Ur for the Haran ( Chaldees ) and then for the land of Canaan ...see the map When he sends Hagar and Ishmael into the desert, it is to the are which is now Mecca According to the Qu'ran and Muhammad, Abraham finnaly goes to live with Ishmael in Mecca, which is 1000 miles from UR across EMPTY QUARTER, extensive, impassable deserts At the time of Abraham, of course, thousands of years ago A Old Man with a little child, how could He ? That's the type of fables that I don't believe, like the Seven Sleepers, like Alexander the Great being a prophet Dhul-Qarnayn (the two-horned
one) in Koran 18:82  [/url]
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minuteman
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 7:47am |
De;ta, You should have drawn longitude and latitude also in the map. Makkah nad Madinah are at longitude 040E. The empty quarter you are speaking about is very far away to the east near about Oman...
You had originally rested on the theory that Abraham being an old man, how could he travel. I busted that by telling you that he was about 90 years old when he went Makkah (Place only, there was no Makkah there). He lived a life of 175 years. So do you see that you had the first mistake about the old age.
Also do not forget that He was some where in Arabia when sarah died. So he travelled again to kanaan and went to her place to mourn her death. Please try to see some parts of history too along with the sacred books. Please continue....
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Delta
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 11:04am |
 minuteman wrote:
Please continue....
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Yeah, I don't like Islam, don't I ? Hey...see here a very humble man Converted do Christianity, I think He is from fifth column from Islam in UK NOTE : nothing offensive, relax http://youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA
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mariyah
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 12:24pm |
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Your started this thread based on some BS started by a crackpot and American Embassy employee in Indian capital who became a revisionist historian in order to cover up the shame of Indian servitude of over a 1000 years under Muslims. I can tell that is your heartfelt desire but how is it going to pan out?
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Yeah Professor P.N. Oak, believes that the whole world has been duped. It is a theory. Maybe a Hypothetical protocontinent with a advanced and ancient vedic culture that was a global society
But that's not the point, you are diverging from the main point, confusing questions of Fact with questions of Relevance, making a flip-flop of the true origins of all the ritual practices in Kaaba
Nothing to do with crackpot Professor P.N. Oak, and theories
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I am looking at the Rand Mcnally's Atlas of the world history, what I don't see is the parts Makkah & Madinah have ever been under any of the super powers of old who were the biggies like of Persians and Alexandrians except of course the Muslims' own Ummayads, Abbasides and Ottomans.
Don't believe go buy one or go to your local library if you have one!!!
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Why not a Turkey Library ?
A inscription of King Vikramaditya was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.
(Ref: page 315 of a volume known as �Sayar-ul-Okul� treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey).
the inscription says:
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram�s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya�s behest."
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That knucklehead happens put forward a hypothesis that TAJ MAHAL was a shrine of Hindu deities too. WHo will buy that in todays world? Yes if the Hindus are so jealous of Mumtaz Mahal/ Shah Jahan's jewel of a mausoleum where many heads of states have gone to be a witness of the historical monument.
They can destroy it just like they did the Babri Mosque cuz they have the majority and the power but that is about it.
Fat chance for rewrite of the history!
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Forget Professor P.N. Oak, and theories
Why not trying to find some articles about the KING Vikramaditya ?
I'm not a historian
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If the Moguls were like the Catholic inquisitors and had eliminated all the Hindus in India but being Muslims it couldn't be!
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You can see in Inquisition a version of Christian's Kingdom Sharia, and how it is dangerous to mix up religion with civil affairs. During that middle-age times the Pope was often threatened of SCHISM by kings all over Europe. It was not a Catholicism Inquisition, but King's Inquisition. There is much to say about that
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I think Israfil indicated that in one his posts but you seemed to ignore for being a Portuguese Catholic.. You know what does it mean in American slang?
Your own credibility has been shot to hell with your reference to Oak's crap.
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I don't ignore nothing what is factual
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He says that Christianity began as a form of devotion to Krishna.
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Krishna is just the hero of the 18th chapter of the novel or epic Mahabharata, the Bhagavad-gita, who never existed as a person
He is the result of divinization of a novel hero, like the Greek or Roman gods. It is like making a god out of Hamlet or Sherlock Holmes who never existed, only in the mind of the writer, of Shakespeare and Sir Arthur Conon Doyle
There are many wonderful novels and epics with great moral and social teachings, but you can't make each Heroe of a Novel to be God. In this logic you can take little Hobbit Frodo from Tolkien's "Lord of The Rings" as God
Most Hindu gods do not exist as a person and they never existed, they are the result of divinization of novels or epics heroes, like the Greek or Roman gods... or like the many false gods of ANIMISM
But Jesus existed because you have writtings of Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Josephus Flavius, Babylonian Talmud, Lucian ( a ancient Greek rhetorician, Samosata ), and there is also also thousands of old christians manuscripts around the world
This is a good reason to turn Hindus to Christianity
And everybody knows that Judaism was the only one true monotheist religion in the middle-east for thousands years before Jesus, always proud to worship YAWEH and keeping their traditions, whereas the surrounding kingdoms worshiped idols
see:
Deut. 4:19;17:3
II Kngs. 21:3,5 and 23:5
Jer. 8:2 and 19:13
Zeph.
1:5
etc...etc...etc...
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LOL so if the Hindus were in the vicinity, is that where you Catholics got the idea for your triune god?
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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mariyah
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 12:41pm |
Delta wrote:
minuteman wrote:
Please continue....
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Yeah, I don't like Islam, don't I ?
Hey...see here a very humble man
Converted do Christianity, I think He is from fifth column from Islam in UK
NOTE : nothing offensive, relax
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA |
Warning: Delta is a possible internet troll:
If you read all the threads he has started, you will see he tries to lead you down the same path, to doubt your faith:
Read about internet Trolls here at this thread
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7510&a mp;KW=internet+troll [/QUOTE]
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"Every good deed is charity whether you come to your brother's assistance or just greet him with a smile.
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Delta
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 1:00pm |
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Maryah
Please, calm down
It is a nice video, a Humble man nothing to do with religion, what's obvious...
A scholar Troll, or a Catholic Priest Troll, an idiot, ...whatever you want to think of me, I am what you want
Why are you reacting that way ?
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Aisha Muslima
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Joined: 07 August 2006
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:57pm |
thanks Delta, becasue of you im more impressed with Islam!
two days ago i read the Quran and i read verses in Sourate 2, that disbelievers will allways try to debate with Mecca (also other things) but these verses where talking about disbelievers debate about Mecca. That really impressed me since i read ur posts then i read the Quran that said what disbelievers will debate with and what to said to them.
and for ur information, ur reasons agaisnt Mecca being a Hindu temple and all other things is very illogic.......(im sorry i dunno how to said more nicely) but all ur challenges about this subjet...u have no strong arguments, it like u said anything!
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Quraysh
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Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:59pm |
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i think this is a waste of time...give delta n number of years and he'll find out the truth...
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