How do you define yourself?

seekshidayath wrote: CORRECTION, it is a myth! Sorry its not correction, Its a hard fact for those people who do not  wear Hijab and oppose it.

shows how much you need to learn.

You think I don't know what i am talking about or can't handle the facts.

Why can't you handle the fact that being covered does not always protect you.

Again it is a myth to think and believe that being covered is protection from assault.

It never ceases to amaze me how some muslim women keep mentioning this, that covering is some kind of protection from assault. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU ARE COVERED.  Not at all, It does matter. Why don't u try it out once?  Or just inerview any of your friends, associates ---. Its certainly a protection from the evil eyes.

What makes you think I haven't ?? or know others??

I think it is quite presumptous and inconsiderate of you or anyone to say something like that, how do you know you are not talking to someone who may have been assaulted and was fully clothed ???. It's nothing but an insult. So please do not ask "why don't you try it out once"! BECAUSE YOU MAY NEVER KNOW WHO YOU ARE TALKING TO! 

And very importantly, if someone slips you a drug of some sort, especially those date rape drugs, then being covered will not protect since you will be out of it, the guy can undress you and do whatever he wants! SO don't tell me that being covered gives you protection from assault!

And NO I do not need to interview anyone, I KNOW it is a fact and it doesn't matter if you are covered.

Actually being covered gives more to the imagination than not being covered, it leaves one to wonder what is underneath & what they look like, when one sees skin often it becomes a bit boring and unimagiantive.

You know something, if i went to the ME i would cover up, because i wouldn't trust the men. The men there or at least in some parts don't get to see skin often, and become a bit enthusatic especially with white skin. Nor would i want to be left alone.

ummmm....i must do something wrong when i wear a singlet and shorts  i mean i don't have guys knocking down my door or tease me down the street   Certainly, u must not be having guys knocking down your door or such, but r u saved from the those evil whispers going on in their hearts ? Howmuchever decent a person may look like or  pious he is, no person can gurantee from the evil whispers of satan.in his heart

As I pointed out above, being covered can leave much to the imagination so don't think that because you are covered you are saved from those evil whispers going on in their hearts.

Oh please! This example is quite unacceptable. And I will tell you now, that example you used is just the same as when the Australian sheik used uncovered meat left out in the street for cats and caused an uproar especially from muslims both men and women.  I did use this example especially with the word sweet.

so that's suppose to make it alright then, using the word sweet ???

Women in Islam are considered to be delicate and precious.Women is an attractive creation. Be it her appearance ,  voice ----- her every act is attractive.  Look, do we not hide your valuables {Diamonds } in lockers or safes. Do u leave it as and where?Are u not cautious of it ? Certainly u will be? Similarly women in ISLAM are considered PRECIOUS AND DELICATE. They are protected both from emotional and physical tortures. They are not suppressed.

I never said not to protect yourself, did I ??

Statistics or not, It will not change the fact that being covered will not always protect you Why don't u present any statistics if u have with u ? Will the risk of covering  is more than uncovered?

As I mentioned, statistics or not.....

Stop resorting to mini skirts and shorts and singlets or bikinis as if that is all the west has!! Please. Get educated!   I also presented a women who is in hijab walking at the other side, in the same western country. We do have there women dressed modestly. Alhamdullilah I din 't say that west has all that. Do they wear any dress that covers themselves fully except cloves and face ? what kind of dress do they wear ? Pls let me know.

I just gave you a bit of a list of clothes in previous post. The clothes vary BUT it's not all shorts, mini skirts and bikinis.

I have noticed that a few muslims don't have that mindset and are in agreement that covering does not always protect and not always the woman's fault.  But the risk if uncovered is more?

I'm not getting into this is more or less such and such, it is quite irrevelent here on this issue.

Lets get into a discussion not a debate.

A discussion where i agree that being covered always protects you, no thanks  

I speak from experience and observation.

Hold fast to the rope of Allah, and be not divided

If covering made women "safer" then women in hijab could walk down the streets of any country at any time of night and be safe. We know that is not true. If you are a woman do you not also lock your house and car doors? Do you avoid going out at certain times? Why is that?  Because there are some men out there who are predators. Predators value hurting people, some especially women. How you dress does NOT protect you.

Hijab can to a degree protect you from certain types of stares but it does not protect you from violence.  In the United States well over half of assaults on women are perpetrated by someone they know, not the stranger out of the bushes.  So it if often done by predators with the opportunity to hurt someone.

And in many Moslem countries one cannot get accurate statistics for assault as for many women they will be accused of zina if they report a rape so many do keep silent. Though to a degree if you live in a more gender segregated society there are fewer opportunities one could say but then most of the violence is perpetrated by the men in their lives (same as here) which these women will be in contact with again. Would that not be worse?

Israfil, I think you are right in that we tend to want to define women especially by the way they dress. It is true of women all over.. maybe it is the pettiness that we tend to define our lives. It is truly a waste of time.. but we engage in it anyways..

In a way, some may wear it sort of as a �statement.� But really no one can really know can we? I guess it goes along with presuming motivation onto people.