Ali Sina’s cowardice

Annie wrote:

"A Muslim who says that they were a former "Christian" and has converted to Islam, is not being accurate."

I am a former Christian who is now a Muslim. What part am I being inaccurate about?

Everyone in my family are still Christians. My mother was raised in the Catholic Church, but fell away into more Evangelical Christianity as she became an adult. My father and his family were Baptists. My father has passed away. They all still believe that Jesus is the son of God, although my sister Shari who spent many years as a Jehovah's Witness does not believe that Jesus is God. She does however believe that you must accept Jesus as your Savior. They also all believe in the Trinity, except my sister Shari. They cannot logically explain it, just as I could never logically explain it when a Christian, but they believe it.

My grandmother used to tell us stories about revelation and the Bible when we were babies. I grew up on Christianity. I received my first Bible, a white leather King James Version with gold gilding and gold leaf on the front, when I was 5 years old. It had a picture of a very blond, blue-eyed Jesus in the inner jacket, with children and sheep gathered around him as the sun shone through his halo. It was a gift from my Uncle John who was a preacher.  I attended numerous conferences, lectures, etc... regarding Christianity. I was baptised, then baptised again when I reached puberty because I wanted to reaffirm my faith. Even at this early age I was having problems accepting some of the beliefs and dogma of the Christian religion. I thought by being baptised the lack of logic would just wash away.

You will also find that I am not ignorant of Christian doctrine. You cannot say you disbelieve something until you know what it is you disbelieve.

AnnieTwo wrote: Andalus, I would say there are many who make the claim of being an "ex-Muslim", and I have read the arguments of the biggest "examples" held up by detractors of Islam, and I have yet to find any argument that convinces me 1) that they were actually Muslims and 2) that they have some information that is detrimental to my faith 3) that has any outcome on my faith BMZ: You said it well. Nobody even knows their real names and identities. I have yet to see one real "ex-Muslim" in my own life. I have never met someone who calls themselves an ex-Christian who  really was a Christian in the first place.  Anyone can call themselves whatever they want, but it takes more than calling yourself a Christian to actually be one.

The real issue that seems to be fading to the background is whether or not the argument is valid, regardless of where it comes from. To say that an argument is wrong because the person calims to be a convert or apostate from some faith would be a fallacy. This is a fallacy eluded to by detractors of Islam who try and bolster Sina's position by saying "he is an apostate from Islam", and many "so called" expert "ex Muslims" also try and elude to the authenticity of their own claims by giving themselves the title of "ex Muslims", and then one can never verify their claim because "they are hiding from death". Very convenient. The fact is, any claim of apostacy does not, in and of itself, give any automatic validation to their claims. And in fact, poor arguments that contain theolgical errors and dishonest manipulation should cast doubt on any personal claim of true apostacy.

Given the definition of a "real Christian" is someone who believes in the main tenents of the church, which requires some aspect of accepting Jesus as lord and savior, it is not hard to find someone who is an ex Christian. I can name a list of 10 off hand who come from legitimate Christian backgrounds. And after their conversion, they did not spend every waking minute opening trashy, third rate internet sites that aim to trash another faith.

Annie2 wrote: A Muslim who says that they were a former "Christian" and has converted to Islam, is not being accurate.

Why?

Annie2 wrote: BMZ, about those "real names."  They change their names because their lives are in danger from the Muslims.  Some change their names because they have found a better one that suits their faith. Annie

 Convenient excuse to hide behind. I challenge you to find me one soild argument from any of your so called, "ex Muslims who cannot verify their own claim publically because they are in some kind of religous protection program". When one exams their arguments, one can find if their knowlegde of their past faith is real or not.

 Peace

AnnieTwo wrote: AbRah2006 wrote: AnnieTwo wrote: AbRah, How can I convince you AnnieTwo? Not by blasting away at the Bible, not by presenting former Christian testimonies who have embraced Islam.  I could counter with former Muslims who have embraced Christianity. You must explain why you believe that Muhammad was a prophet.  What proof do you have?  Why should one believe that Muhammad was a prophet?  The Qur'an is not proof. It is your faith, isn't it?  You have faith that he was a prophet.  Isn't it all based on faith? Were you always a Muslim?  Were you born one?  What is your testimony? Annie Please introduce yourself to me. Hello, AbRah, I am Annie.

Hello Annie....I am AbRah

AnnieTwo wrote: AbRah, How can I convince you AnnieTwo? Not by blasting away at the Bible, not by presenting former Christian testimonies who have embraced Islam.  I could counter with former Muslims who have embraced Christianity. You must explain why you believe that Muhammad was a prophet.  What proof do you have?  Why should one believe that Muhammad was a prophet?  The Qur'an is not proof. It is your faith, isn't it?  You have faith that he was a prophet.  Isn't it all based on faith? Were you always a Muslim?  Were you born one?  What is your testimony? Annie

Please introduce yourself to me.