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    Posted: 26 February 2020 at 1:23pm
So I have a handful of questions I would like to get answered.

#1
In the Quran 18:27 it says "

And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge."

Now I know it is a pillar that Muslims are to believe in the Gospel/Injeel and the Torah but so far it seems like a majority say oh the Bible is corrupt and the Torah is corrupt. Now my question is according to this verse it is saying there is no changer of Gods words so how is the Torah for example corrupt if Gods words cannot be changed. And what does this verse mean exactly by that because anyone can go ahead and change a word in the Quran for example.

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Carrying on regarding it being a pillar for Muslims to believe in the Injeel/Torah and Muslims saying they are corrupted, what exactly is the real Injeel then?.

#3 
In the Quran it clearly says there is no compulsion in religion however I have run into a hadith Sahih Bukhari Book 9 Volume 84 Hadith 57 that says "Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Also "Sahih Muslim 129  It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

To me this seems like compulsion regarding the first hadith they are given the option of A. Return to Islam or B. Get killed that is forcing a choice on them.

As for the second hadith this is saying Muhammad has been commanded to fight against people until they follow his belief which to me seems like compulsion. So I would like those to be clarified. 

#4 In the Quran 8:12 it says "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This again kind of adds to compulsion but why cut off someones head and fingertip just because they do not follow the Islamic belief?.


5. In the Quran 9:23 it says "

O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

To me my father is my biggest ally and no matter what his religious belief is whether Christian, Jew, Atheist, Buddhist, etc he will always remain my ally so why would this verse be telling Muslims to not take there father as an ally just because of a difference of belief?

I have a few more questions but I will leave it at this for now, I will appreciate answers and if evidence can be provided for answers please do so. 



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Originally posted by ItsBrandon ItsBrandon wrote:

So I have a handful of questions I would like to get answered.

#1
In the Quran 18:27 it says "

And recite, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you of the Book of your Lord. There is no changer of His words, and never will you find in other than Him a refuge."

Now I know it is a pillar that Muslims are to believe in the Gospel/Injeel and the Torah but so far it seems like a majority say oh the Bible is corrupt and the Torah is corrupt. Now my question is according to this verse it is saying there is no changer of Gods words so how is the Torah for example corrupt if Gods words cannot be changed. And what does this verse mean exactly by that because anyone can go ahead and change a word in the Quran for example.

#2
Carrying on regarding it being a pillar for Muslims to believe in the Injeel/Torah and Muslims saying they are corrupted, what exactly is the real Injeel then?.

#3 
In the Quran it clearly says there is no compulsion in religion however I have run into a hadith Sahih Bukhari Book 9 Volume 84 Hadith 57 that says "Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Also "Sahih Muslim 129  It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah."

To me this seems like compulsion regarding the first hadith they are given the option of A. Return to Islam or B. Get killed that is forcing a choice on them.

As for the second hadith this is saying Muhammad has been commanded to fight against people until they follow his belief which to me seems like compulsion. So I would like those to be clarified. 

#4 In the Quran 8:12 it says "When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

This again kind of adds to compulsion but why cut off someones head and fingertip just because they do not follow the Islamic belief?.


5. In the Quran 9:23 it says "

O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

To me my father is my biggest ally and no matter what his religious belief is whether Christian, Jew, Atheist, Buddhist, etc he will always remain my ally so why would this verse be telling Muslims to not take there father as an ally just because of a difference of belief?

I have a few more questions but I will leave it at this for now, I will appreciate answers and if evidence can be provided for answers please do so. 



ItsBrandon,
I will try to explain one by one.
#1
It's true that Muslims must believe in the Gospels and the Torah which contents are still like the days of His Apostles exist, not in the present.
To increase your knowledge regarding this matter please look at the "Interfaith Dialogue" topic.
What is true in the book before the Quran, there's also in the Quran, but what is in the Quran isn't necessarily contained in the previous books. That's one of the reasons why the Quran was revealed at the end of this age.
In addition to completing the previous books, it also invites people to worship to one God, namely Tauheed (monotheism), as it's the belief of the Prophets/Apostles before the Prophet Muhammad.
In the Quran, there is the word of Allah about maintaining the authenticity of the contents of the Quran (Quran 15: 9), whereas in other books there is no clear explanation like that.
Anyone will not be able to change the contents of the Quran because it has been guaranteed by Allah Who created this universe, including mankind.

Is there still something unclear? For the answers number 2-5 Insha Allah, I will convey to you later.
Thanks for your question.

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For the answer to question number #2:

No one knows the real Injeel exactly, because it has been gone since 325 AD
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For the answer to question number #3:

Yes it's true that there's no compulsion in entering Islam religion.
Allah Ta'ala Said:
لَاۤ اِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّيْنِ  ۗ  قَدْ تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ  ۚ 
"There is no compulsion in embracing Islam, in fact, it is clear (the difference) between the right path and the wrong path."
(Quran 2: 256)

As for what is told in the Hadith Sahih Bukhari Book 9 Volume 84 Hadith 57 is the punishment for those who have changed the teachings of the Tawheed religion Islam), such as the example Musailamah al Kazzab, he made his own verse as if it was from Allah, and then he claimed to be a Prophet.

So this hadith doesn't apply to others.

Likewise in Sahih Muslim 129.
This hadith applies when Muslims are being fought. It is obligatory to fight against them until they bend their knees and follow the teachings of Tawheed, in the hope that they will not get the punishment in the hereafter.
So the hadith applies when Muslims are being fought, and it doesn't apply to those who don't fight Muslims.

Allah Ta'ala Said:
لَا يَنْهٰٮكُمُ اللّٰهُ عَنِ الَّذِيْنَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوْكُمْ فِى الدِّيْنِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوْكُمْ مِّنْ دِيَارِكُمْ اَنْ تَبَرُّوْهُمْ وَ تُقْسِطُوْۤا اِلَيْهِمْ ۗ  اِنَّ اللّٰهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِيْنَ
"Allah does not forbid you to do good and be fair to those who do not fight you in religious matters and do not drive you out of your hometown. Surely Allah loves those who do justice."
(Quran 60: 8)

Sorry, your question reminds me of someone on the topic "Interfaith Dialogue", he knows a lot about the contents of the Quran and Hadiths.

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For the answer to question #4.

(Quran 8: 12)
This verse explains when the battle of Badr was raging, then Allah commanded the angels to strengthen believer's hearts that they should not retreat even though the number of opposing troops is greater and their weapons are better.

In this verse there's the word سَاُلْقِيْ, meaning "someday I will give", it means that if they die they will feel fear and endless regret in the hereafter.

In addition, there's the word فَاضْرِبُوْا meaning "then beat" (not to cut off as you say) opponent's necks to be easily paralyzed.
And also beat the opponent's fingers so that the weapon being held by the opponent falls.

So please remember that this verse when the war was raging and also not because of they didn't follow the teachings of Islam.

In fact Muslims were challenged by the opponents in the hope that Islam religion will disappear from the surface of the earth, but what happens was just the opposite.
So this verse only applies when it is at war.

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For the answer to question #5.

(Quran 9:23)
What is meant by this verse is for Muslims not to ally in faith even to our parents or brothers, so not in everything. We have to do good to our parents even though our faith is different.
The Prophet Muhammad lived together with his uncle but he remained respectful and kind to his uncle even though his beliefs differed until his uncle died.

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Alright I have some more that I would like answers to. 

1. Sunan Abi Dawud 4717 Grade Sahih
"The woman who buries alive her new-born girl and the girl who is buried alive both will go to Hell."
This is saying that the new born girl who is burried alive will go to hell along with the woman who burried thew new born girl alive. 

Now I asked a few people regarding this an everyone gives different answers, why would God put a new born girl in hell just because she was murdered by being burried alive? 

2. Sahih Muslim 79a 
"O womenfolk, you should give charity and ask much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah, that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Prophet observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion."

This hadith seems to be degrading women, additionally one of the main parts I want to focus on is towards the end where it says they spends some nights and days of which they do not offer prayer or fast during Ramadan. From my understanding the reason why women do not offer prayer on some days is because of menstruation, so why would they be punished for a natural occurrence that God gave them, it is not there fault that they have a menstrual cycle they cannot choose when it happens and cannot choose to stop it or start it. 

3. In the Quran 4:34 
"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great."

Now I am very strongly against hitting women, that is among one of the things that gets me mad the most, I keep getting different answers regarding this from "It doesn't say to beat them" "Oh it means beat them lightly like a tap" the list goes on, from my understanding the original Arabic does not even say "lightly" it just says beat them. So I would like a clear answer one this. 

4. Regarding Prayer, people say it must be performed in Arabic, my question is why God created me as an English speaking person I should not have to learn another language God knows all languages. 

5. Regarding Wudu I know the steps that must be taken/performed but something I am curious about is does someone need to do wudu if they already taken a shower and have not done anything that would void wudu since the shower. 
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For the answer to question 1. 
You quoted the hadith of Sunan Abi Dawud 4717.
This hadith is contradict with several other hadiths, among others.
The Prophet Muhammad said: 
إِنَّ اللهَ حَرَّمَ عَلَيْكُمْ عُقُوْقَ اْل£ُمَّهَاتِ، وَمَنْعًا وَهَاتِ، وَوَ£ْدَ الْبَنَاتِ، وَكَرِهَ لَكُمْ قِيْلَ وَقَالَ، وَكَثْرَةَ السُّؤَالِ، وَإِضَاعَةَ الْمَالِ
“Verily Allah forbids you disobedience to the mother, refuse to give the rights of others and demand what is not his right, and bury the daughter alive. And God hates you for saying lots of words, asking lots of questions, and wasting wealth." (Narrated by Al-Bukhari no. 5975 and Muslim no. 593 from Al-Mughirah bin Syu'bah r.a.)

Please compare these two hadiths, which one approaches the truth with the contents of the Quran below.
Allah Ta’ala Said:
وَإِذَا بُشِّرَ £َحَدُهُمْ بِاْل£ُنْثَى ظَلَّ وَجْهُهُ مُسْوَدًّا وَهُوَ كَظِيْمٌ. يَتَوَارَى مِنَ الْقَوْمِ مِنْ سُوْءِ مَا بُشِّرَ بِهِ £َيُمْسِكُهُ عَلَى هُوْنٍ £َمْ يَدُسُّهُ فِي التُّرَابِ £َلاَ سَاءَ مَا يَحْكُمُوْنَ
“And if one of them is given good news about the birth of a girl, his face turns red and he is very angry. He hid himself from the crowd because of the bad news conveyed to him. Will he take care of the child by enduring humiliation or will he bury him alive in the ground? 
Know it, how bad what they do.” 
(Quran 16: 58-59)

Allah Ta'ala is angry at the act of burying their daughters.
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