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asep garutea
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Posted: 20 December 2019 at 11:54pm |
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I have said in this forum that this is the first time there are statements from a Muslim like him. It might be someone who pretends as a Muslim. |
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MIAW
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Thank you Tim for this contribution. Good, sincere advice. The door of Islam is always open to anyone, let alone to family and friends. There is however one unwelcome visitor: i.e. someone who pretends to be of your family, then comes in and starts attacking your household and family without mercy or consideration. |
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Tim the plumber
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I have never believed in any god so I don't know this from personal experiece but I am told by other who have walked away from their religion that it is a very painful and scary process. I understand that it will be threatening for a believer to see another have a different point of view. Each side of this can get extremely passionate about it all. It is easy to allow these passions to boil over into the personal relationships of family and friends. Even hard not to. I'm on the outside of all that. Never been religious. I ask you all, both sides of this to allow people to disagree with you. Thier soul is not your concearn. There will be more room in heaven for you with all those unbelievers renouncing God. The opposite is that it is not my problem how often somebody does a little self hypnosis. You don't need to close your door to your family and friends. They might just come back if you leave it open.
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MIAW
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Good idea. just a piece of advice to take with you (it's a general advice... some of it may not apply to you personally): Beware of hypocrisie (i.e. pretending to be someone who you are not), because hypocrisy is a serious sickness and a great crime. It means making an outward display of Islam in order to infiltrate and cause harm and confusion. Hypocrisy is more dangerous than kufr (disbelief) and the punishment for it is more severe, because it is kufr mixed with Islam and its harmful effects are greater. Hence Allaah will put the hypocrites in the lowest level of Hell, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire; no helper will you find for them" [al-Nisaa’ 4:145] The hypocrites are always confused (as is obvious from their posts, showing lack of understanding of the Qur'an and Islam in general), always planning deceit and plots. Although outwardly they appear to be with the believers, inwardly they are with the kaafireen (disbelievers). So sometimes they are inclined towards the believers and sometimes they are inclined towards the kaafireen. i.e being in an 'in-between stage'. “(They are) swaying between this and that, belonging neither to these nor to those; and he whom Allaah sends astray, you will not find for him a way (to the truth — Islam)”[al-Nisaa’ 4:143 – interpretation of the meaning] Because of the corruption of their hearts, the hypocrites are the most averse of mankind to the religion of Allaah (Islam), as Allaah tells us about them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger (Muhammad),’ you (Muhammad) see the hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion” [al-Nisaa’ 4:61] The dealings of the hypocrites revolve around their own interests. When they meet the believers, they make a show of belief and loyalty, in order to deceive the believers and as an action of dissimulation, hoping for whatever good and war-booty they have. But when they meet their masters and chiefs, they say, we are with you in your shirk and kufr. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when they meet those who believe, they say: “We believe,” but when they are alone with their Shayaateen (devils — polytheists, hypocrites), they say: “Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking Allaah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doing to wander blindly” [al-Baqarah 2:14-15] The hypocrites have many characteristics, the worst and most serious of which is disbelief in Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them (hypocrites): ‘Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad, Al-Ansaar and Al-Muhaajiroon) have believed,’ they say: ‘Shall we believe as the fools have believed?’ Verily, they are the fools, but they know not”[al-Baqarah 2:13] Among their characteristics are enmity and envy (hasad) towards the believers, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “If good befalls you (O Muhammad), it grieves them, but if a calamity overtakes you, they say: ‘We took our precaution beforehand’ and they turn away rejoicing”[al-Tawbah 9:50] Among their characteristics is mockery of Allaah, His Messenger and His religion. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’ Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”[al-Tawbah 9:65-66] Among their characteristics is that they spread corruption on earth, with disbelief, hypocrisy and sins. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them: ‘Make not mischief on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only peacemakers.’ Verily, they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not” [al-Baqarah 2:11-12] Among their characteristics are slander and lies. Allaah tells us about them (interpretation of the meaning): “They swear by Allaah that they are truly, of you while they are not of you, but they are a people (hypocrites) who are afraid (that you may kill them)” [al-Tawbah 9:56] Among their characteristics is that they enjoin what is evil and forbid what is good, and they are stingy with their wealth. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “The hypocrites, men and women, are one from another; they enjoin (on the people) Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief and polytheism of all kinds and all that Islam has forbidden), and forbid (people) from Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and they close their hands [from giving (spending in Allaah’s Cause) alms]. They have forgotten Allaah, so He has forgotten them. Verily, the hypocrites are the Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)” [al-Tawbah 9:67] Among their characteristics are greed and avarice: “And of them are some who accuse you (O Muhammad) in the matter of (the distribution of) the alms. If they are given part thereof, they are pleased, but if they are not given thereof, behold! They are enraged! [al-Tawbah 9: 58 – interpretation of the meaning] Among their characteristics are those which were described by the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There are four (characteristics), whoever has all of them is a complete hypocrite, and whoever has some of them has some element of hypocrisy, unless he gives it up: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a treaty, he betrays it; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; when he quarrels, he resorts to insults.”(Narrated by Muslim, 53) Among their characteristics is a concern with appearances and fancy speech whilst they are inwardly corrupt. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allaah curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path?” [al-Munaafiqoon 63:4] And: “Surely, Allaah will collect the hypocrites and disbelievers all together in Hell” [al-Nisaa’ 4:140 – interpretation of the meaning] But because they can cause harm to vulnerable Muslims, the hypocrites will be in the lowest level of Hell, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire” [al-Nisaa’ 4:145] Nothing personal. |
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asep garutea
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I didn't fail, instead I thanks to Allah for lighting up my heart to be able to guess who you are. Alhamdulillah, I was able to ward off attacks that would discredit the teachings of Allah from those who don't like Islam. Yes, it's up to you, on one side you don't like Islam, but Allah is the Almighty to make His religion even brighter. |
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Hammad80
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Yes, 2 days ago I asked Allah for guidance. Nothing happened. Then I saw the replies I got here. Finally decided to leave Islam for sure. First I was in an in-between stage, but you guys finally helped me pull the trigger once and for all. Great job ignoring my direct quotes and instead attacking a straw man. Really does show incompetence. You guys asked me for sources, and when I provided them, your response is "There's plenty of evidence in Qur'an, you're an Islomophbe, real muslims understand these". Yet you didn't bother providing any of these "evidences".
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MIAW
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Hammad80', I hope that you don't mind us using your posts to learn a few things about Islam...
But 24 hours earlier you wrote:
OK...Good luck finding them...
Is that why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?... just type the question on Google... or look at Paragraph 2 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion
No you didn't... In your first post alone, You waged 54 attacks on Islam, Muslims, the Quran, our Prophet...etc.
Contrary to what Islamophobes think, a good Muslim has no problem with Hadiths... because we have millions of scholars (throughout our history) who dedicated their entire lives to studying and classifying Hadiths... but I accept that there are some 'weak' Muslims who fall for 'fake' hadiths.
Good luck waiting for that!... But I can save you the 'wait' and tell you: it won't happen... because of those 7 processes (Type: MRS GREN) that I explained to you previously. Qur'an [21:30] Chapter (21) sūrat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets)Pickthall: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
I don't know if you know this (or if you have noticed), but... men and women are very different from each other... and (most importantly)... God (who created them both) Knows this!!... so He Decided who 'covers up' more, and who covers up less... However some people object (falsely in the name of: freedom to dress as you like), because they enjoy seeing scantily clad women (i.e. wearing as little as possible)... but hey ho! what do I know??!!
Islam came to give slaves rights, and eventually free them... Islamophobes have the 'guts' to accuse Islam of all sorts... when their own history is littered with the most 'savage' treatment of humans and animals, including slaves. Video here: https://en.islamway.net/video/76802/slavery-in-islam?__ref=search
Good luck finding it... because it does not exist... along with all the false drivel that Islamophobes come up with.
Absolute Islamophobic drivel as usual... All Muslims know that the Qur'an is very clear and detailed about this subject... unlike any other scripture. Now... just one last point: Genuine Muslims have a lot of respect for their Prophet (along with other prophets of course), so when they refer to him, they don't say "Muhammad"... they rather say "Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him", or the "The Messenger PBUH", or "The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam"... and that is because the Qur'an told us to refer to him differently from other people: (with various translations) Qur'an [24:63] Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light)Sahih International: Do not make [your] calling of the Messenger among yourselves as the call of one of you to another. Already Allah knows those of you who slip away, concealed by others. So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment. Pickthall: Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knoweth those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them. Muhammad Sarwar: Do not address the Messenger as you would call each other. God knows those who secretly walk away from you and hide themselves. Those who oppose the Messengers should beware, lest some trouble or a painful torment should befall them. I hope this helped. |
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Hammad80
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...And you have failed to counter any of the things I mentioned, despite previously asking for sources explicitly. Thank you for showing your incompetence by personal attacking. What a joke. Glad I left this cult called Islam. Time to do bigger and greater things in the world :)
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