Recently, having strong doubts about Islam
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Topic: Recently, having strong doubts about Islam
Posted By: Hammad80
Subject: Recently, having strong doubts about Islam
Date Posted: 26 October 2019 at 4:03pm
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Hey guys, so I have been raised as a Muslim background. But now I’m realizing that I’m only a Muslim because my parents are Muslim, and they’re Muslims because their parents were, and so on. No one in my family really questioned Islam and followed it blindly tbh. Many people say the Qur’an is perfect, clear and easy to understand, and it is for all of humanity for all of time. But upon more research, I’m finding out this is not true. (1) One of the great challenges by Allah is that humans will never be able to create life. This seemed reasonable to me, as I don’t understand either how non-living atoms can become “living”. After all, living creatures are formed by the same elements that are found throughout the universe. There’s no “factor” which seems to provide life. This asides, recently, science has been able to create self-replicating polymers out of scratch (ie, not harvested from living cells or anything). This is pretty concerning, because self-replicating polymers are basically “life”, as they’re doing something on “their own”. (2) Things in Qur’an are no longer relevant in today’s society. Islamic law is to be followed by all Muslims; we can’t cherry pick what we follow or we’re not following Islam. If that’s true, then there are huge problems... -One, Islam says that women’s testimony counts half of men’s, because back then, women were generally uneducated (I still don’t think that’s enough of a reason to discount women as being 50% as smart as men). In today’s society, that’s no longer the case. But the Qur’an doesn’t say that that rule is only for that time (similarly to how Muslims must abstain from pre-marital sex no matter what the era and the Islamic punishment for stealing is the chopping of the hand, no matter what the era). Now of course, many Muslim countries don’t follow these rules. But then are they really following Islam? -Similarly, Islam says to keep having children and Allah will provide for them. In a Hadith, Muhammad discouraged withdrawal to his followers when they were raping war captives and said that whoever is to be born, will be born so there’s no point. Back then, there weren’t much Muslims so it made sense. But now, the Earth is being overpopulated and people need to have resources to raise their children. There are many cases where in Pakistan poor people have a lot of children and they have to sell them to prostitution or they won’t be able to take care of them. But according to Islam, this is encouraged without any limitations. (3) Violence encouraged by Islam We have to wonder if a perfect religion is one that encourages so much violence. Whether we want to believe it or not, Islam is not a peaceful religion. In our modern society, does it really make sense to live like this? We should be furthering humanity and accepting each other instead of showing hatred. -Many times throughout the Qur’an and in Hadith, God/Muhammad say to slay the nonbelievers, kill the apostles, kill them, kill them. I believe somewhere it is stated that if there are 20 Muslims, they should kill 200 non-believers. It is said to kill till there is nothing but Islam left. -In the Qur’an, Allah said to fight whether you like it or not. -People are encouraged to leave their religion to follow Islam, but if someone tries to leave Islam, the punishment is death. -Islam also says non-Muslims will never be your friends, and that they’re all inherently evil. I find it hard to believe this. Living in the U.S. now, I have so many non-Muslim friends who are great people. There are many people who have dedicated themselves to humanity but are non Muslims. Am I supposed to believe they’re all inherently evil? (4) Flaws in Islam (that I note) -A man will not be asked why he beat his wife -Muhammad said in 2 Hadiths that women who complain of their husbands beating them are “not the best of women” -Women have to cover themselves from head to toe, while men don’t -Women have to follow what their husbands say or the husband can beat them/threaten divorce -Men can have sex with their slave girls, and their wives can’t complain -Women captured in war can be raped/traded as sex slaves -Escaping from slavery is considered a major sin -Muhammad said to beat your wife with a certain type of wire (I think) because it hurt more -Islam says to kill dogs and not keep them as pets due to diseases, but this a great myth as dogs don’t carry insane amount of diseases like it’s said. In fact, a study shows that people who have dogs as pets live longer. -The description of heaven provides a lot for men but barely provides context for what’s there for women. -The Qur’an says that Jews believe Ezra as Son of God, when that’s 0 evidence for that and no Jew ever said that. Even in Arabia, there was no documented proof of such thing. **I seriously wonder if this is how we should be living our lives these days. If you call yourself a “moderate” Muslim, you’re fooling yourself. Why are you choosing to follow part of your religion? Many mosques say, “We condemn violence”, but that’s false, because Islam doesn’t. The 9/11 attacks were justified by Islam. People may also know of the rapes committed by the Pakistani army of Bengali women by declaring them to be non-Muslims and then using Qur’an to justify rape. By Islamic law, they did nothing wrong there. Should we really be killing non-Muslims, thinking they’re all evil and won’t ever be our friends, waging holy war till no non-believer is left (while raping their women), and oppressing women in general. As humanity, we have progressed, so does Islam really still fit? I would like to have this answered by any fellow Muslim (yes I said fellow, I’m still following Islam, but highly skeptical right now). I really want to keep believing in Islam. But it seems to me that most Muslims are just reading the Arabic of the Qur’an without knowing any idea of what it’s actually saying and that many Muslims are Muslims only because that’s what they’ve been indoctrined.
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Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 10 December 2019 at 8:00am
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As Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi Barakatuh, Questions rising in your mind, although you belong to a musim family are not uncommon. It's okay ! You have got many questions and I leave the ones which can be responded by the members, who have more understanding. About, why 2 women witnesses equal to 1, better go through this link, as I find is perfectly dotted https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20051/why-is-the-witness-of-one-man-considered-to-be-equal-to-the-witness-of-two-women" rel="nofollow - https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20051/why-is-the-witness-of-one-man-considered-to-be-equal-to-the-witness-of-two-women If still doubts persists, we will discuss here, InshaaAllah ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: abuayisha
Date Posted: 10 December 2019 at 8:42am
| Salaams and welcome! Perhaps we can unpack your list of concerns one at a time. First, kindly quote where in the Quran does Allah challenge mankind to create life? |
Posted By: seekshidayath
Date Posted: 10 December 2019 at 11:01am
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Let me also tell you that your queries seem like from an anti-musim website, not your own. Can you state the query/doubt in reference to book of hadith as well as name of Surah from Quran [ whichever you are referring to You find barbaric to chop hands of a theif. It does n't mean all theives whoever steal are chopped. There are some terms and conditions for it ------------- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent." |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 December 2019 at 1:08pm
The answer for no. 1 Yes, humans cannot create life except Allah. The answer for no. 2 Women are predestined to abilities not like men. Not only for the past but also today, as concrete evidence that the leaders of the countries are mostly men. Islam forbids sex outside of marriage because humans are not animals. You don't know the wisdom behind the law of qishash in Islam, like a thief is cut off by his hand, that is to make other thieves afraid to do the theft. One thief is cut off but saves the other thief from the punishment of cutting off a hand. Yes, many Muslim countries don’t follow Islamic rules, but they follow tawheed. That's true that Allah will provide for children, but parents are also instructed by Allah to use their brain. There are many cases where in Pakistan poor people have a lot of children and they have to sell them to prostitution or they won’t be able to take care of them. That is a characteristic of Muslims who do not understand the Koran. God entrusts children not to be treated as such, but to be raised and given a good and right education. The Prophet Muhammad never allowed his followers to rape women. You must be careful with false hadiths that will discredit the Prophet Muhammad and discredit the teachings of Islam. For your information, there are thousands of fake Hadiths currently in circulation. The answer for no. 3 Allah and the Prophet Muhammad never ordered violence as in the Quran and hadith. I am a non-violent Muslim because there is no order from Allah and the Prophet Muhammad. As for being ordered to kill, that is when in war, will you remain silent if you want to be killed by your enemy? Allah will help believers in war even though the number of troops is less than the opponent, for example during the war of Badr. Allah does not command to force other religions to convert to Islam, the duty of Muslims is only to convey the truth from Allah in a good and wise way. The answer for no. 4 A man will not be asked if in fact that his wife's makes a fatal mistake. (Women have to cover themselves from head to toe.) You do not understand the law and the positive consequences of closing aurat. (Women have to follow what their husbands say or the husband can beat them/threaten divorce.) What kind of husband should be followed? Because not all husbands are good and right. (Men can have sex with their slave girls, and their wives can’t complain) (Women captured in war can be raped/traded as sex slaves) Islam does not teach like that. (Escaping from slavery is considered a major sin) Who say that? It was precisely the Prophet Muhammad who forbade slavery. (Muhammad said to beat your wife with a certain type of wire (I think) because it hurt more) Prophet Muhammad did not order like that. (Islam says to kill dogs and not keep them as pets due to diseases, but this a great myth as dogs don’t carry insane amount of diseases like it’s said. In fact, a study shows that people who have dogs as pets live longer.) In fact the Prophet Muhammad said that in dogs there are two benefits for humans. (The description of heaven provides a lot for men but barely provides context for what’s there for women.) Heaven is not meant for men or women, but for anyone who is fear to Allah. (The Qur’an says that Jews believe Ezra as Son of God, when that’s 0 evidence for that and no Jew ever said that. Even in Arabia, there was no documented proof of such thing.) Could you please show me that verse in the Quran ? If you want to see the truth about Islam religion, don't be influenced by some Muslim behavior. But study the teachings such as reading and understanding the contents of the Qoran, also read the authentic hadith, don't just listen to what people say. You must remember that not all Muslims have carried out the commands of Allah and His Messenger. If anything is unclear, please ask again, I will be happy to answer and explain it. |
Hammad80 wrote:Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 11 December 2019 at 6:11am
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Brothers and sister: Jazakumullahu Khairan for your good replies. The person who started this discussion (Hammad80) is a fake... a troll... an Islamophobe. His likes keep assuming various identities and come back on here to attack your religion. They will never stop. They are getting more and more 'skilled' at concealing their identity (i.e. at hypocrisie and disguise), so you need to be very alert. (Note: At least 'Peacemaker' does not hide his identity, hatred and intentions). We know (and I can quote from the Qur'an and Hadith if you want) that faith/belief (Eeman) increases and decreases... but no genuine Muslim ever uses that to attack Islam in this manner. I don't wanna say more than this right now [apart from: there are more genuine ways of 'asking']. However... I would like to add some thoughts/replies. I am doing this for the benefit of my Muslim brothers and sisters... not for the likes of Hammond80 (as they are not interested).
This could be true or false... but if we look around, some of the most vocal opponents/enemies of Islam were brought up in a 'Muslim' household and carry real Muslim names.
There isn't a day that goes past that I don't thank Allah SWT for making me a Muslim... of all the bounties that Allah SWT Bestowed on me, this is by far the best.
Nothing wrong with asking questions... in fact, we are encouraged to do so... as long as you are polite and genuine about searching for the truth. However...Think of it this way: Islam is like the only path out of a forest fire: Following it blindly is better than following any other path or following no path at all.
That's because you are 'researching' and getting all your answers in Islamophobe websites. (that's if you're not actually the author yourself).
Even school children know that there are 7 conditions that have to be met, for any substance/organism to be described as living. These 7 conditions are called MRS GREN (or sometimes MRS NERG): it has to be able to do the following: Movement, Reproduction, Sensitivity (to external factors), Growth, Respiration, Excretion and Nutrition. (that is: it needs to be able to do all 7, or else it's not 'living'). Furthermore, self-replication is not new... many things self-replicate, but this does not mean that they are 'living'. check this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication" rel="nofollow - - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication And yes I am aware of the work/research done by Sergei Maslov and Alexei Tkachenko. They've developed a model that explains how monomers could very rapidly make the jump to more complex polymers at the nanoscale. Their work was published in The Journal of Chemical Physics. In a way, I feel sorry for you, because while desperately trying to use anything scientific to attack Islam... you were failed by the most 'elementary' science. 
So you take random cases like this and blame them on Islam and the Qur'an? FYI This happens in many countries around the world... including non-Muslims.
Typical islamophobic rant. In our world today, we are witnessing a violent war between various Extremists (of different ideologies and beliefs, including some Muslims, non-Muslims, islamophobes, trolls...etc)... it's a tit-for-tat... the only problem is that these extremists don't attack each other... they always attack the innocent victims in the middle (that is: Muslim and non-Muslim victims). I personally find it very sad whenever an innocent victim is attacked by an extremist... no matter who each of them is. And this violence is not always physical... sometimes it's verbal, emotional, mental...etc. Muslims are very much at the receiving end, but the Media (the biggest culprit) chooses what to highlight and what to ignore.
Typical islamophobic rant. This only happens in the 'ghettos' that you extremists have created. I have many Non-Muslim friends, and we are very loyal to each other... we don't share beliefs, but we certainly share many other life's aspects. We have a good 'laugh' with each other. I do not think of non-muslims as 'evil'... I always think of them as 'Prospective Muslims', and that includes islamophobes. Some of the most fervent opponents of Islam have eventually converted to Islam... and we have examples of this from the dawn (beginning) of Islam until today. For example Joram van Klaveren: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/05/dutch-former-anti-islam-mp-says-become-muslim/" rel="nofollow - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/05/dutch-former-anti-islam-mp-says-become-muslim/ Then Hammad80 goes on and gathers every islamophobic criticism from their websites... and throws it at you. (false accusations of course, and no references as usual).
This is referring to [Qur'an 9:30]. Jewish scholars used to meet regularly with our Prophet PBUH, but they never objected to this verse. (Because they knew it was true). If they had objected, then they would have made a very big deal out of it, and we would have known about that... In fact, we have the names of some of them who ended up converting to Islam.. and became great companions of our Prophet PBUH. https://islamqa.info/en/answers/164633/a-jewish-person-is-rejecting-what-the-quran-says-and-claiming-that-the-jews-do-not-believe-that-uzayr-is-the-son-of-god-or-that-the-hand-of-god-is-tied-up" rel="nofollow - https://islamqa.info/en/answers/164633/a-jewish-person-is-rejecting-what-the-quran-says-and-claiming-that-the-jews-do-not-believe-that-uzayr-is-the-son-of-god-or-that-the-hand-of-god-is-tied-up I have more to say about this, but unfortunately no time. Perhaps soon Inshallah. The Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered in 1947) were the ultimate nail in the coffin of all skeptics.
Pure Islamophobic hatred. The likes of Hammad80 are the extremists who are causing all the problems of the modern world.
Pure Islamophobic drivel.
According to your likes... clearly NOT. This is quite obvious by all the concentration camps, genocide, extermination, discrimination and prejudice that is perpetrated against innocent Muslims throughout the world.
Really?!... How nice and innocent!
Careful! you're showing your true colors here. So let me see if I get this right... most Muslims don't understand the Qur'an, but Extremist Islamophobes do!  We Muslims are nowhere near perfect, and we are constantly working on improving ourselves... however here is something controversial that we really understand: Coming across people like yourself makes us understand our Islam better, and really increases our belief and faith in the True Religion. And Finally...
So refreshing... Jazakillahu Khairan seekshidayath for being alert.  |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 11 December 2019 at 7:58am
Thank you MIAW for reminding us. In fact, I've already known that this person (hammad80) is classified as a hypocritical Muslim (if he is a Muslim) But if he pretends to be a Muslim then I really believe that Allah Ta'ala Sees what he does. جَزَاكَ اللَّهُ خَيْرًا |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 13 December 2019 at 12:22am
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Wa Iyyak! You're welcome Asep. I have made some alterations and additions to my post above, so if you want, you could alter (the quote) accordingly. Getting criticized by opponents of Islam is not always a bad thing... it just highlights the many misconceptions that exist out there about our religion... and hence the task that is upon us (of educating non-muslims, fellow muslims, and even ourselves). |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 13 December 2019 at 1:38am
Thank you MIAW, That's right because it's the command of Allah Ta'ala. بَارَكَ اللهُ فِيْك |
Posted By: Hammad80
Date Posted: 16 December 2019 at 7:36pm
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I recently got an email that there were replies to my post, so I decided to check them out. First of all, to all of you who have attempted to answer/answer the questions, I thank you. It seems like most of you asked for sources and stated that many of the things I was saying were incorrect. I will provide my sources. But first, to the guy who says I'm a fake/troll: Wow, just wow! I can see why people turn away from Islam. I asked genuine questions that trouble me, and you are telling everyone that I am not a Muslim and I am trolling! But I will try to ignore this. Back on point. I understand that there are many false hadiths. But who decides them? Any hadiths that people don't like get called a weak hadith? But for what I was saying: @asep_garutea (1) Ok. Fair enough. We'll know in the future if humans can truly create life or not extend beyond self-replicating polymers. (2) That is true, but does it account for as much as half the mental capability? Like 1 testimony equivalent to 2? I will check out the source @seekshidayath provided (3) In war, ofcourse you kill. I'm talking about outside of war. I meant outside of war. However, upon further research I realize these verses are taken out of context. So I will redact this point. But then, just to confirm: this means that you believe Taliban are not following Islam? There are many muslims in countries (such as Pakistan) that support Taliban and their activities. Are they all misguided? (4) Please provide benefits of women covering. Why does it not apply to men? Quran 4:24 (Sura An-Nisa): "And [also prohibited to you all] married women except those your right hand possess." *"Right hand posses" refers to slaves. This is clearly saying you can have sex with slave girls. While not in the Qur'an, Imama Al-Dhahabi says that there are 70 major sins, of which number 57 is: "A slave's running away from his master". I cannot re-find the hadith where Muhammad said to beat wife with a flexible wire because it hurts more. It might have been a weak hadith. If I can find it, i will post it. But in Qur'an 4:34 (Surah An-Nisa), is is stated that if your wife doesn't listen to you the third time: "and [finally] strike them." *Tell me how this isn't abuse and against human rights? Striking someone (who is not your child- and even then, lightly and for good reason) who is an adult should not be allowed. Please provide the benefits of dogs that Muhammad says. As for my source: Bukhari Sharif Vol. 4 (4:540): "Allah's Apostle ordered that dogs should be killed." (4:541): "Allah's Apostle said, 'If someone keeps a dog, he loses one Qirat (of the reward) of his good deeds every day, except if he keeps it for the purpose of agriculture or for the protection of livestock.'" *In general, there is clear hate for dogs in Islam (Heaven is not meant for men or women, but for anyone who is fear to Allah) That's a straw man argument. It doesn't answer the question I asked. If it is for anyone, why is there the appeal for men in heaven the highest? Qur'an should have equally provided details of what's in heaven for men, women, jinn, anyone else. Qur'an 9:30 (Surah At-Tawbah): "The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah"; and the Christian's say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieve [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?" *Ezra refers to Uzair and Messiah is, ofcourse, Esa ------------------ Thank you for answering my questions before. I really want to keep believing in Islam and even yesterday, I prayed and asked Allah for signs. But these doubts do pop up and they must be cleared. Otherwise, I am only lying to myself. I am not a troll or anything. You could see my thread history- I joined in 2017 where I asked an unrelated question to any of this. Anyone who still thinks I am- well, there's nothing I can do to convince you.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 17 December 2019 at 4:10pm
Hammad80, There's one thing that makes it strange for me is that you claim to be a Muslim but your questions are actually like hate Islamic teachings. Frankly speaking, I have been preaching for more than twenty years, but only this time I found someone who claimed to be a Muslim who behaved like you. Sorry, I am not Allah, but Alhamdulillah, although we've never met, but with Bashiratul 'ilm that Allah gave to me, so I dare to guess you that you don't do salah like Muslims in general. |
Posted By: Hammad80
Date Posted: 17 December 2019 at 5:34pm
...And you have failed to counter any of the things I mentioned, despite previously asking for sources explicitly. Thank you for showing your incompetence by personal attacking. What a joke. Glad I left this cult called Islam. Time to do bigger and greater things in the world :)
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 3:08am
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Hammad80', I hope that you don't mind us using your posts to learn a few things about Islam...
But 24 hours earlier you wrote:
OK...Good luck finding them...
Is that why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world?... just type the question on Google... or look at Paragraph 2 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion or here: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/" rel="nofollow - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/
No you didn't... In your first post alone, You waged 54 attacks on Islam, Muslims, the Quran, our Prophet...etc.
Contrary to what Islamophobes think, a good Muslim has no problem with Hadiths... because we have millions of scholars (throughout our history) who dedicated their entire lives to studying and classifying Hadiths... but I accept that there are some 'weak' Muslims who fall for 'fake' hadiths.
Good luck waiting for that!... But I can save you the 'wait' and tell you: it won't happen... because of those 7 processes (Type: MRS GREN) that I explained to you previously. Qur'an [21:30] Chapter (21) sūrat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets) http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=21&verse=30#%2821:30:1%29" rel="nofollow"> Pickthall: Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?
I don't know if you know this (or if you have noticed), but... men and women are very different from each other... and (most importantly)... God (who created them both) Knows this!!... so He Decided who 'covers up' more, and who covers up less... However some people object (falsely in the name of: freedom to dress as you like), because they enjoy seeing scantily clad women (i.e. wearing as little as possible)... but hey ho! what do I know??!!
Islam came to give slaves rights, and eventually free them... Islamophobes have the 'guts' to accuse Islam of all sorts... when their own history is littered with the most 'savage' treatment of humans and animals, including slaves. Video here: https://en.islamway.net/video/76802/slavery-in-islam?__ref=search" rel="nofollow - https://en.islamway.net/video/76802/slavery-in-islam?__ref=search
Good luck finding it... because it does not exist... along with all the false drivel that Islamophobes come up with. 
Absolute Islamophobic drivel as usual... All Muslims know that the Qur'an is very clear and detailed about this subject... unlike any other scripture. Now... just one last point: Genuine Muslims have a lot of respect for their Prophet (along with other prophets of course), so when they refer to him, they don't say "Muhammad"... they rather say "Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him", or the "The Messenger PBUH", or "The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam"... and that is because the Qur'an told us to refer to him differently from other people: (with various translations) Qur'an [24:63] Chapter (24) sūrat l-nūr (The Light) http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=24&verse=63#%2824:63:1%29" rel="nofollow"> Sahih International: Do not make [your] calling of the Messenger among yourselves as the call of one of you to another. Already Allah knows those of you who slip away, concealed by others. So let those beware who dissent from the Prophet's order, lest fitnah strike them or a painful punishment. Pickthall: Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knoweth those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them. Muhammad Sarwar: Do not address the Messenger as you would call each other. God knows those who secretly walk away from you and hide themselves. Those who oppose the Messengers should beware, lest some trouble or a painful torment should befall them. I hope this helped. |
Posted By: Hammad80
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 3:45pm
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@MIAW Yes, 2 days ago I asked Allah for guidance. Nothing happened. Then I saw the replies I got here. Finally decided to leave Islam for sure. First I was in an in-between stage, but you guys finally helped me pull the trigger once and for all. Great job ignoring my direct quotes and instead attacking a straw man. Really does show incompetence. You guys asked me for sources, and when I provided them, your response is "There's plenty of evidence in Qur'an, you're an Islomophbe, real muslims understand these". Yet you didn't bother providing any of these "evidences".
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 4:41pm
I didn't fail, instead I thanks to Allah for lighting up my heart to be able to guess who you are. Alhamdulillah, I was able to ward off attacks that would discredit the teachings of Allah from those who don't like Islam. Yes, it's up to you, on one side you don't like Islam, but Allah is the Almighty to make His religion even brighter. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 10:37pm
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Good idea. just a piece of advice to take with you (it's a general advice... some of it may not apply to you personally): Beware of hypocrisie (i.e. pretending to be someone who you are not), because hypocrisy is a serious sickness and a great crime. It means making an outward display of Islam in order to infiltrate and cause harm and confusion. Hypocrisy is more dangerous than kufr (disbelief) and the punishment for it is more severe, because it is kufr mixed with Islam and its harmful effects are greater. Hence Allaah will put the hypocrites in the lowest level of Hell, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire; no helper will you find for them" [al-Nisaa’ 4:145] The hypocrites are always confused (as is obvious from their posts, showing lack of understanding of the Qur'an and Islam in general), always planning deceit and plots. Although outwardly they appear to be with the believers, inwardly they are with the kaafireen (disbelievers). So sometimes they are inclined towards the believers and sometimes they are inclined towards the kaafireen. i.e being in an 'in-between stage'. “(They are) swaying between this and that, belonging neither to these nor to those; and he whom Allaah sends astray, you will not find for him a way (to the truth — Islam)”[al-Nisaa’ 4:143 – interpretation of the meaning] Because of the corruption of their hearts, the hypocrites are the most averse of mankind to the religion of Allaah (Islam), as Allaah tells us about them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger (Muhammad),’ you (Muhammad) see the hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion” [al-Nisaa’ 4:61] The dealings of the hypocrites revolve around their own interests. When they meet the believers, they make a show of belief and loyalty, in order to deceive the believers and as an action of dissimulation, hoping for whatever good and war-booty they have. But when they meet their masters and chiefs, they say, we are with you in your shirk and kufr. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when they meet those who believe, they say: “We believe,” but when they are alone with their Shayaateen (devils — polytheists, hypocrites), they say: “Truly, we are with you; verily, we were but mocking Allaah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doing to wander blindly” [al-Baqarah 2:14-15] The hypocrites have many characteristics, the worst and most serious of which is disbelief in Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them (hypocrites): ‘Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad, Al-Ansaar and Al-Muhaajiroon) have believed,’ they say: ‘Shall we believe as the fools have believed?’ Verily, they are the fools, but they know not”[al-Baqarah 2:13] Among their characteristics are enmity and envy (hasad) towards the believers, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “If good befalls you (O Muhammad), it grieves them, but if a calamity overtakes you, they say: ‘We took our precaution beforehand’ and they turn away rejoicing”[al-Tawbah 9:50] Among their characteristics is mockery of Allaah, His Messenger and His religion. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’ Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”[al-Tawbah 9:65-66] Among their characteristics is that they spread corruption on earth, with disbelief, hypocrisy and sins. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And when it is said to them: ‘Make not mischief on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only peacemakers.’ Verily, they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive not” [al-Baqarah 2:11-12] Among their characteristics are slander and lies. Allaah tells us about them (interpretation of the meaning): “They swear by Allaah that they are truly, of you while they are not of you, but they are a people (hypocrites) who are afraid (that you may kill them)” [al-Tawbah 9:56] Among their characteristics is that they enjoin what is evil and forbid what is good, and they are stingy with their wealth. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “The hypocrites, men and women, are one from another; they enjoin (on the people) Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief and polytheism of all kinds and all that Islam has forbidden), and forbid (people) from Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and they close their hands [from giving (spending in Allaah’s Cause) alms]. They have forgotten Allaah, so He has forgotten them. Verily, the hypocrites are the Faasiqoon (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)” [al-Tawbah 9:67] Among their characteristics are greed and avarice: “And of them are some who accuse you (O Muhammad) in the matter of (the distribution of) the alms. If they are given part thereof, they are pleased, but if they are not given thereof, behold! They are enraged! [al-Tawbah 9: 58 – interpretation of the meaning] Among their characteristics are those which were described by the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There are four (characteristics), whoever has all of them is a complete hypocrite, and whoever has some of them has some element of hypocrisy, unless he gives it up: when he speaks, he lies; when he makes a treaty, he betrays it; when he makes a promise, he breaks it; when he quarrels, he resorts to insults.”(Narrated by Muslim, 53) Among their characteristics is a concern with appearances and fancy speech whilst they are inwardly corrupt. Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning): “And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allaah curse them! How are they denying (or deviating from) the Right Path?” [al-Munaafiqoon 63:4] And: “Surely, Allaah will collect the hypocrites and disbelievers all together in Hell” [al-Nisaa’ 4:140 – interpretation of the meaning] But because they can cause harm to vulnerable Muslims, the hypocrites will be in the lowest level of Hell, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depth (grade) of the Fire” [al-Nisaa’ 4:145] Nothing personal. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 20 December 2019 at 12:39pm
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I have never believed in any god so I don't know this from personal experiece but I am told by other who have walked away from their religion that it is a very painful and scary process. I understand that it will be threatening for a believer to see another have a different point of view. Each side of this can get extremely passionate about it all. It is easy to allow these passions to boil over into the personal relationships of family and friends. Even hard not to. I'm on the outside of all that. Never been religious. I ask you all, both sides of this to allow people to disagree with you. Thier soul is not your concearn. There will be more room in heaven for you with all those unbelievers renouncing God. The opposite is that it is not my problem how often somebody does a little self hypnosis. You don't need to close your door to your family and friends. They might just come back if you leave it open.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 20 December 2019 at 10:19pm
Thank you Tim for this contribution. Good, sincere advice. The door of Islam is always open to anyone, let alone to family and friends. There is however one unwelcome visitor: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWolfInSheepsClothing" rel="nofollow - https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWolfInSheepsClothing i.e. someone who pretends to be of your family, then comes in and starts attacking your household and family without mercy or consideration. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 20 December 2019 at 11:54pm
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I have said in this forum that this is the first time there are statements from a Muslim like him. It might be someone who pretends as a Muslim. |