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Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

Answer:
Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.




Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.

A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.

The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal."


(Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.)

(A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.)

Answer:
How can Muslims refuse him ?, his teachings make sense and its truth can be proven.

(The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.)

(It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal.")

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Whatever it is, the definite reward for those who believe in Allah will get more in heaven.


So you admit what Muhammad said about his Paradise is the reward for a good Muslim man thats why muslims are so eager to die as martyrs for Muhammad so that they may enter Muhammad's paradise an offer that no one can resists.
Muslims are not eager to die as martyrs for Muhammad but to follow his teaching (the Qoran and As Sunnah)

The word "Islam" comes from "Aslama" (in Arabic) means Surrender to one God, and from "Salima" means getting salvation from Allah.

From the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad, they were the messengers of Allah who invited their people to surrender only to one God (Tawhid)
Thus, whoever surrenders and worships only to one God who created the universe and humans, carries out His commands, they are called Muslims (in Arabic).

Mark 12: 29,30
"The most important one", answered Jesus, is this: o Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."

They will go to heaven.


Adam was not prophet and Muhammad was not a prophet of the real God not Muhammad's Allah Muhammad promote himself as a prophet and then to a Apostle of himself of his Allah.

Why do you quote from the bible? like the mormons they also got their fake book of theri false religeon but 100% of quotes is verses from the Bible.

You muslims are only worried about one god there are many other religeons who also believe in only one god so what Muhammad discovered was already old news there CAN OMNLY BE ONE GOD WHY DO YOU FAVOUR ISLAM ABOVE OTHER RELIGEONS O CAUSE ITS FROM ALLAH ACTUALLY IT WAS MUHAMMAD WHO PLAYED THE ROLE OF ALLAH.
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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

Answer:
Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.




Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.

A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.

The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal."


(Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.)

(A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.)

Answer:
How can Muslims refuse him ?, his teachings make sense and its truth can be proven.

(The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.)

(It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal.")

Answer:
Whatever it is, the definite reward for those who believe in Allah will get more in heaven.


So you admit what Muhammad said about his Paradise is the reward for a good Muslim man thats why muslims are so eager to die as martyrs for Muhammad so that they may enter Muhammad's paradise an offer that no one can resists.
Muslims are not eager to die as martyrs for Muhammad but to follow his teaching (the Qoran and As Sunnah)

The word "Islam" comes from "Aslama" (in Arabic) means Surrender to one God, and from "Salima" means getting salvation from Allah.

From the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad, they were the messengers of Allah who invited their people to surrender only to one God (Tawhid)
Thus, whoever surrenders and worships only to one God who created the universe and humans, carries out His commands, they are called Muslims (in Arabic).

Mark 12: 29,30
"The most important one", answered Jesus, is this: o Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."

They will go to heaven.


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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

Answer:
Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.




Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.

A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.

The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal."


(Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.)

(A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.)

Answer:
How can Muslims refuse him ?, his teachings make sense and its truth can be proven.

(The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.)

(It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal.")

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Whatever it is, the definite reward for those who believe in Allah will get more in heaven.


So you admit what Muhammad said about his Paradise is the reward for a good Muslim man thats why muslims are so eager to die as martyrs for Muhammad so that they may enter Muhammad's paradise an offer that no one can resists.
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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

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Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.




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I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.

A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.

The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal."


(Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.)

(A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.)

Answer:
How can Muslims refuse him ?, his teachings make sense and its truth can be proven.

(The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.)

(It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal.")

Answer:
Whatever it is, the definite reward for those who believe in Allah will get more in heaven.


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...Muhammad had made the muslims a offer...

This is way off subject. The subject in the title is Prophet Ibraaheem PBUH and his religion.

Allaah sent His Prophet Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) and ordained among his offspring Prophethood and the Book (al-‘Ankaboot 29:27). 

“And mention in the Book (the Qur’aan) Ibraaheem (Abraham). Verily, he was a man of truth, a Prophet [Maryam 19:41 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Allaah guided Ibraaheem and honoured him with virtues and praiseworthy characteristics: 

“Verily, Ibraaheem (Abraham) was an Ummah (a leader having all the good righteous qualities), or a nation, obedient to Allaah, Haneef (i.e. to worship none but Allaah), and he was not one of those who were Al-Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, and those who joined partners with Allaah).

(He was) thankful for His (Allaah’s) Favours. He (Allaah) chose him (as an intimate friend) and guided him to a Straight Path (Islamic Monotheism — neither Judaism nor Christianity).

And We gave him good in this world, and in the Hereafter he shall be of the righteous”[al-Nahl 16:120-122 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) was the father of the Prophets; no Prophet was sent after him but he was from among his descendents. He had two sons whom Allaah chose to be Prophets. They were Ismaa’eel the grandfather of the Arabs, from among whose descendents Allaah sent the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and Ishaaq whom Allaah blessed with a Prophet called Ya’qoob, who was also known as Israa’eel, after whom Bani Israa’eel (the Children of Israel) and their Prophets were called. 

The Qur’aan refers to the fact that Ibraaheem was the father of the Prophets, when it says concerning Ibraaheem (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And We bestowed upon him Ishaaq (Isaac) and Ya‘qoob (Jacob), each of them We guided, and before him, We guided Nooh (Noah), and among his progeny Dawood (David), Sulaymaan (Solomon), Ayyoob (Job), Yoosuf (Joseph), Moosa (Moses), and Haaroon (Aaron). Thus do We reward Al-Muhsinoon (the good-doers).

And Zakariyya (Zachariya), and Yahya (John) and ‘Eesa (Jesus) and Ilyaas (Elias), each one of them was of the righteous.

And Isma‘eel (Ishmael) and Al-Yasaa‘ (Elisha), and Yoonus (Jonah) and Loot (Lot), and each one of them We preferred above the ‘Aalameen [mankind and jinn (of their times)]”[al-An’aam 6:84-86] 

Ibraaheem called his people in Mesopotamia to worship Allaah alone and to stop worshipping the idols which could neither bring benefit nor cause harm. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And (remember) Ibraaheem (Abraham) when he said to his people: ‘Worship Allaah (Alone), and fear Him: that is better for you if you did but know.

You worship besides Allaah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allaah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allaah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back’”[al-‘Ankaboot 29:16-17]  

Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) wanted to free his people from idol-worship and rid them of myths and legends. He asked his people about these idols, as Allaah tells us (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And recite to them the story of Ibraaheem (Abraham).

When he said to his father and his people: ‘What do you worship?’

They said: ‘We worship idols, and to them we are ever devoted.’

He said: ‘Do they hear you, when you call on (them)?

Or do they benefit you or do they harm (you)?’

They said: ‘(Nay) but we found our fathers doing so’”[al-Shu’araa’ 26:69-74] 

Then he explained to them that they should not mindlessly follow others like dumb animals and clarified for them the ultimate reality which is that they should worship Allaah alone, in Whose hand is the dominion of all things: 

“He said: ‘Do you observe that which you have been worshipping

You and your ancient fathers?

Verily, they are enemies to me, save the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists),

Who has created me, and it is He Who guides me.

And it is He Who feeds me and gives me to drink.

And when I am ill, it is He Who cures me.

And Who will cause me to die, and then will bring me to life (again).

And Who, I hope, will forgive me my faults on the Day of Recompense (the Day of Resurrection)’”[al-Shu’araa’ 26:75-82] 

The father of Ibraaheem was one of the idol-worshippers. He used to carve them and sell them. His father’s disbelief troubled Ibraaheem, so he singled him out for advice and said to him: 

“O my father! Why do you worship that which hears not, sees not and cannot avail you in anything?

O my father! Verily, there has come to me of the knowledge that which came not unto you. So follow me, I will guide you to the Straight Path”[Maryam 19:42-43 – interpretation of the meaning]  

But his father did not respond to him, rather he threatened to stone him and forsake him. He said: 

“Do you reject my gods, O Ibraaheem (Abraham)? If you stop not (this), I will indeed stone you. So get away from me safely (before I punish you)”[Maryam 19:46 – interpretation of the meaning] 

So Ibraaheem had no choice but to leave him, and he said to him:

 “Peace be on you! I will ask forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily, He is unto me Ever Most Gracious[Maryam 19:47 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Ibraaheem continued to ask for forgiveness for his father and to ask his Lord to guide him, but when it became clear to him that he (his father) was an enemy of Allaah, he disavowed him and stopped asking for forgiveness for him. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And Ibraaheem’s (Abraham) invoking (of Allaah) for his father’s forgiveness was only because of a promise he [Ibraaheem (Abraham)] had made to him (his father). But when it became clear to him that he (his father) is an enemy of Allaah, he dissociated himself from him. Verily, Ibraaheem was Awwah (one who invokes Allaah with humility, glorifies Him and remembers Him much) and was forbearing[al-Tawbah 9:114] 

When the people of Ibraaheem persisted in worshipping idols, Ibraaheem wanted to prove to them in practical terms that these idols could not cause harm or bring benefit, after his preaching and teaching had no effect on his people: 

“Then he cast a glance at the stars,

And he said: ‘Verily, I am sick (with plague). [He did this trick to remain in their temple of idols to destroy them and not to accompany them to the pagan feast)].’

So they turned away from him, and departed (for fear of the disease).

Then he turned to their aalihah (gods) and said: ‘Will you not eat (of the offering before you)?

What is the matter with you that you speak not?’

Then he turned upon them, striking (them) with (his) right hand”

[al-Saaffaaat :88:93] 

Ibraaheem broke all the idols except the biggest one, which he left so that they could ask it who had done this: 

“So he broke them to pieces, (all) except the biggest of them, that they might turn to it”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:58 – interpretation of the meaning] 

When they came back from the festival for which they had gone out, they saw the broken idols and they accused Ibraaheem (of breaking them). He said to them: 

“Nay, this one, the biggest of them (idols) did it. Ask them, if they can speak!”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:63 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Because they knew that these idols could not speak – for they were inanimate objects – they said to Ibraaheem: 

“Indeed you [Ibraaheem (Abraham)] know well that these (idols) speak not!”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:65 – interpretation of the meaning] 

When they admitted that these idols could do nothing, Ibraaheem said to them:

 “Do you then worship besides Allaah, things that can neither profit you, nor harm you?

Fie upon you, and upon that which you worship besides Allaah! Have you then no sense?”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:67 – interpretation of the meaning] 

When they had exhausted all lines of argument, they resorted to the use of force and said: 

“Burn him and help your aalihah (gods), if you will be doing”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:68 – interpretation of the meaning] 

They gathered a lot of wood and started a fire which had great sparks and flames, then they threw Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) into that fire. He said, “Hasbi Allaah wa ni’am al-wakeel (Allaah is sufficient for me and He is the best Disposer of affairs).” So Allaah saved him from it and made it coolness and safety for him, and foiled the plot of his enemies: 

“We (Allaah) said: ‘O fire! Be you coolness and safety for Ibraaheem (Abraham)!’

And they wanted to harm him, but We made them the worst losers”

[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:69-70 – interpretation of the meaning]

 After saving Ibraaheem from the fire, Allaah commanded him to leave Mesopotamia and migrate to the Holy Land in Palestine. He married his cousin (the daughter of his paternal uncle) – Saarah – and set out with her and his brother’s son Loot for Syria, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And We rescued him and Loot (Lot) to the land which We have blessed for the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)[al-Anbiyaa’ 21:71] 

Then great hardship befell the land of Syria, so Ibraaheem moved to Egypt with his wife, then he came back to Palestine, bringing his wife and a slave woman of hers called Haajar. Ibraaheem longed to have children, but his wife was barren and had grown old. When she saw how much her husband longed to have a child, she gave her slave woman, Haajar, to him. So he married her and was blessed with his son Ismaa’eel from her: 

“’My Lord! Grant me (offspring) from the righteous.’

So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy”

[al-Saaffaat 37:100-101 – interpretation of the meaning] 

After Haajar gave birth to Ismaa’eel, Saarah began to feel jealous, so she asked Ibraaheem to send them away from her. Allaah revealed to Ibraaheem that he should take Haajar and the infant Ismaa’eel and take them to Makkah. So he took them and left Haajar and her child Ismaa’eel in an bleak, isolated place in which there was no water, then he left them and went back to Palestine. Haajar said to him, “For whom are you leaving us in this forsaken valley?” But Ibraaheem went and left her, and she said, “Has Allaah commanded you to do this?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then Allaah will not cause us to be lost.” 

Ibraaheem submitted to the command of his Lord and patiently bore the separation from his wife and child. Then he turned towards where they were at the Sacred House and prayed for them in the following words (interpretation of the meaning): 

“O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah) in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah). So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allaah) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks”[Ibraaheem 14:37] 

Haajar stayed in Makkah, eating the food and drinking the water that Ibraaheem had left for her and her son. When that ran out, she and her son became thirsty. She looked for water, and climbed the hill of al-Safaa but she did not see anything. Then she climbed the hill of al-Marwah but she did not see anything. She did that seven times, then she turned towards Ismaa’eel and saw water gushing from beneath his feet. She rejoiced and drank some, and gave some to her son to drink. Then a tribe – Jurham – came to Haajar and asked her permission to settle by the water. She gave them permission and they settled beside her. When Ismaa’eel grew up, he married one of their women and learned Arabic from them. 

During this period, Ibraaheem used to visit his son from time to time. On one of these visits, Ibraaheem saw in a dream that Allaah was commanding him to sacrifice his son Ismaa’eel. The dreams of the Prophets are true, so Ibraaheem resolved to obey the command of Allaah, even though he was old and Ismaa’eel was his only son. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“So We gave him the glad tidings of a forbearing boy.

And, when he (his son) was old enough to walk with him, he said: ‘O my son! I have seen in a dream that I am slaughtering you (offering you in sacrifice to Allaah). So look what you think!’ He said: ‘O my father! Do that which you are commanded, In sha’ Allaah (if Allaah wills), you shall find me of As-Saabiroon (the patient).’

Then, when they had both submitted themselves (to the Will of Allaah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (or on the side of his forehead for slaughtering);

We called out to him: ‘O Ibraaheem!

You have fulfilled the dream!’ Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinoon (good-doers).

Verily, that indeed was a manifest trial.

And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram)”

[al-Saffaat 37:101-107] 

Then Allaah gave him the glad tidings of another son, who was Ishaaq, and then Ibraaheem returned to Palestine: 

“And We gave him the glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac) a Prophet from the righteous[al-Saaffaat 37:112 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Ishaaq was born to him from his wife Saarah: 

“And his wife was standing (there), and she laughed [either, because the messengers did not eat their food or for being glad for the destruction of the people of Loot (Lot)]. But We gave her glad tidings of Ishaaq (Isaac), and after Ishaaq, of Ya‘qoob (Jacob)”

[Hood 11:71 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Then Ibraaheem stayed in Palestine for a while, then he returned to Makkah for an important reason. Allaah had commanded him to build in Makkah the first House to be built for the worship of Allaah. So Ibraaheem undertook this task of construction, and his son Ismaa’eel was lifting up the stones to him. When the walls grew higher, Ibraaheem stood on a rock, and this is the Station of Ibraaheem (Maqaam Ibraaheem) which is to be found in the vicinity of the Ka’bah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):  

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) and (his son) Ismaaee‘eel (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah), (saying), ‘Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower’”

[al-Baqarah 2:127] 

Allaah commanded Ibraaheem and Ismaa’eel to cleanse the House of idols and other impurities so that it would be pure for those who would circumambulate it and stand and bow and prostrate (in prayer). When Ibraaheem built the House, Allaah commanded him to call mankind to perform the Hajj, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And proclaim to mankind the Hajj (pilgrimage). They will come to you on foot and on every lean camel, they will come from every deep and distant (wide) mountain highway (to perform Hajj)”

[al-Hajj 22:27] 

Then Ibraaheem offered this great supplication for Makkah and for those who live in it: 

“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) said, ‘My Lord, make this city (Makkah) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allaah and the Last Day.’ He (Allaah) answered: ‘As for him who disbelieves, I shall leave him in contentment for a while, then I shall compel him to the torment of the Fire, and worst indeed is that destination!’”

[al-Baqarah 2:126 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Then he prayed for himself and his descendents, saying: 

“Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manaasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage — Hajj and ‘Umrah), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful”[al-Baqarah 2:127-128 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Then he prayed for the people of the sanctuary, that Allaah would send to them a Messenger from amongst them, who would call them to worship Allaah Alone. He said: 

“Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own, who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur’aan) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily, You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise”

[al-Baqarah 1:129 – interpretation of the meaning] 

Allaah responded to the prayer of His Prophet Ibraaheem. He made Makkah a place of security, He blessed its people with fruits and sent to them a Messenger from amongst themselves, who was the Seal of the Prophets and Messengers, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). All praise and thanks be to Allaah. 

After Ibraaheem, Prophethood remained with the Children of Israel for a long time, until Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) from among the descendents of Ismaa’eel as a Messenger to all of mankind, and commanded him as He said (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of Allaah…’”[al-A’raaf 7:158] 

Allaah commanded Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to follow the religion of Ibraaheem, as He said (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Then, We have sent the Revelation to you (O Muhammad saying): ‘Follow the religion of Ibraaheem (Abraham) Haneef (Islamic Monotheism — to worship none but Allaah) and he was not of the Mushrikoon (polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers)”[al-Nahl 16:123] 

Ibraaheem’s advice to his children was to adhere to the religion of Islam and follow its commands until they died. Allaah said (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And this (submission to Allaah, Islam) was enjoined by Ibraaheem (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya‘qoob (Jacob) (saying), ‘O my sons! Allaah has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islam (as Muslims — Islamic Monotheism)’” [al-Baqarah 2:132] 

O Allaah, send blessings upon Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem, for You are Praiseworthy, Most Glorious. 

Other Prophets who were alive at the time of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) were Loot, Ismaa’eel, Ishaaq, and Ya’qoob. Then came Yoosuf, then Shu’ayb, then Ayyoob, then Dhu’l-Kifl. Then Allaah sent Moosa and Haaroon (peace be upon them and may the best of blessings and peace be upon all the Prophets).




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Originally posted by asep garutea asep garutea wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

Answer:
Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.




Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

Muhammad had made the muslims a offer that they never could have resisted.

A good idea for moral support to go to Muhammad's paradise for salvation.

The 72 virgins or 72 houri from Persian:  ḥūrī; plural of 'ḥaurāʾ' or'ḥūrīyah';  refers to a celestial being that is an aspect of Heaven or jannah (Arabic: Jannah'; plural: Jannat). This concept is mentioned in Qur'anic text as a reward to believing men after death. According to the Quran, once in jannah, believers are wed to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts. The Quran provides a physical and personal description of the houri and denotes them as awards to believers. Sahih (authentic) hadith detail the amount if houris and what they are for.

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir, and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, Al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a Sahih hadith[9] from Ibn Majah, wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal."


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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

You said:
"I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false"

Answer:
While in your writing underneath you said:
"If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey"

Answer:
In psychology, this is a high-level forgetful case for saying something, but in a short time he didn't feel he had said something. So, no wonder if Tim the plumber said that you are arrogant.

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Answer:
I don't care if he saw it from which point of view, but the Qoran is the Word of Allah which has provided many things for my salvation, especially salvation for the eternal afterlife.

You said:
"In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day."

Answer:
Yes, all Muslims are ordered to do salah as all the Prophets did including Jesus. And I can prove it from the Gospel if needed.



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Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Does God care what we call Him? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same god?

Moses understood this. When he encountered the call of God that came from the burning bush, Moses asked God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15)...

Another 'Copy & Paste' from Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

But thank you for quoting it, because in you eagerness to find faults in our Qur'an... you are exposing your own Bible. How?...:

Moses PBUH asked God an extremely important question (Exodus 3:13), i.e. 'What is your name?', because he had to go back and tell the people/children of Israel... to which, (according to your bible), God does not give him a 'straight' answer... God just says: "I Am Who I Am", "This is my name forever"... it does not make sense!... Is this what Moses supposed to go back and tell his people??... this is another insult to God!!

The Qur'an, on the other hand, relates this very incident... where God gives a more logical answer... The true answer (I've put 3 translations):

Qur'an [20:14]

Chapter (20) sūrat ṭā hā

Sahih International: Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.

Yusuf Ali: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

Arberry: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


Another thing:

According to Christianity.com (https://www.christianity.com/jesus/birth-of-jesus/bethlehem/what-was-jesus-doing-before-he-was-born-in-bethlehem.html):

Paragraph 1: ...Jesus Christ. As the Son of God he has existed from eternity past...

Paragraph 2: ...from all eternity the Son has been enjoying the love and glory that he shares with God the Father. Shortly before his death Jesus prays...

Paragraph 3: ...the Bible identifies God the Son as the creator of all things...

Paragraph 4: ...before his incarnation the Son of God was sustaining the universe...

Paragraph 6: (The bible on Jesus)...does show him as the creator and sustainer of the universe who was receiving angelic worship...

If all this is true, then why would God (the Father) withhold such vitally important information from Moses in the above incident??... Our Christian brothers (and sisters) must find this very 'confusing' Confused

And... How is it that the 'Creator of all things' and the 'sustainer of the Universe' be chased and caught by the men that he created, then get tortured, crucified and killed (according to your own belief)???

Find out what God (in the Qur'an) Tells us about anyone who holds such confusing/insulting beliefs... how they will have to answer for them very strictly! (on Judgement Day)



I never was on Billy Graham's site was there something that he said that upset you?
I don't have and I don't need to insult the Quran and your false so called prophet they insult themself by all the silly things that is writen in the Quran and hadiths it is so so silly that some Imam must write Tafsir so that muslims can understand what was written in the Quran.

So what is issue of God having a Son do you have a Son so you are allowed to have Son or a daughter. Allah had three daughters why don't you investigate your own silly book.

If you believe that your false prophet went on supersonic magic flying donkey with female torso from Mecca all the way up to Jerusalem with the speed just to ascend to heaven to get and so called open heart surgery by means of some angel was very big lie that I can tell you.

Washing of the Prophet's heart

Q 94:1 Did we not open your chest? 2 and remove your burden from you 3 which injured your back?

Anas b. Malik: I saw the mark of the stitches on the Prophet's chest.

Angels never perform open sugeries on humans they perform miracles

No Muslim can deny the importance of Mohammed's night journey in Islam, because this flight determined the Islamic rituals of praying five times a day, and performing ablution - or washing before prayer. In other words Mohammed's night journey impacts the lives of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the world - five times - each and every day.

For example some claimed it was one of these mythical flying animals that  enabled Abraham who lived in Hebron, to pay visits to his son Ishmael in Mecca, a 1200 kilometers away. Some of Islam's "historians" claim it was a baraq that enabled Ishmael to attend his father Abraham's funeral in Hebron. Are we beginning to get the picture? Any time the thousand kilometers between Mecca and Israel demonstrates the conspicuous geographical impossibility, of any suggestion that Abraham or Ishmael were ever within 1,000 kilometers of where Mecca was eventually settled in the 4th century AD, simply break out the flying donkey-mule!

If you can believe this then you believe any nonsense.

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