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airmano
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@Miaw
Frankly Miaw, when it comes to the "bible being corrupted" you are the funniest chap alive. Citing the Quran .... in support of the Quran. Chapeau ! Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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MIAW
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What?... is it as illogical as (according to you of course) God standing and watching His own son being 'crucified' in a humiliating way... even though His son was crying: And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Matthiew [27:46])
What?... is it as illogical and confusing as saying: "Jesus was a God and Human at the same time". Jesus PBUH was only a 'human' messenger of Allah SWT. Allah SWT made this truth (fact) clear to them... but they chose to 'delude' from it: Qur'an [5:75]
Allah SWT (God) also Warns them (politely) about saying "Three" (i.e. the illogical and confusing concept of 'Trinity') Qur'an [4:171]: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion, and do not say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is the Messenger of Allah, and His Word that He conveyed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and do not say, "Three." Refrain—it is better for you. Allah is only one God. Glory be to Him—that He should have a son. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and the earth, and Allah is a sufficient Protector. |
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DavidC
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Miaw: Jesus was not in despair on the cross but singing a song of praise. He was singing Psalm 22. Please read the entire song.
http://al-injil.net/psalm-22/ |
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Al Masihi
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But Allah knew that the people of the book were going to change the books, but he did nothing and knew that outcome so then you admit your god was a deceiver? Actually your god is using the old trick of diminished justice by pinning it on the people 9f the scripture when he let them, aided them, and gave them all means to commit the crime and did not stop them.
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Al Masihi
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You do know Jesus was quoting Psalms right? Also Allah seems to mistake the trinity for tritheism which means the worship of three gods that concept is called a triad it’s very different form the trinity, no trinitarian believes in three gods. What’s confusing about God being able to take the nature of a human in addition to his divine nature at the same time, he’s God, what’s confusing is when you say God deceived people into corrupting the books. So again I will ask you, was Allah deceiving the people of the scripture, was he unable to protect the scriptures from corruption, or did he have no knowledge of the unseen?
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2Acts
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Interesting that Muslims accuse the Bible as corrupted when Uthman burnt all original copies of the Quran due to their variances and unreliability (not just phonetic either) and the oldest Quran in existence (Sanaa) does not line up with the modern Quran !
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MIAW
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David: The passage in your link talks about 'my cries of anguish' (3rd line) Now if you look in any good dictionary (or Thesaurus), this is what you will find: anguish ˈaŋɡwɪʃ/ noun
verb
Note: May I point out that I do not believe in 'Crucifixion', because the Qur'an tells me that Prophet Jesus PBUH was not crucified. Qur'an [4:157] That they said (in boast), "We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah"; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. However: This is not our subject for now... |
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Al Masihi
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Lets look carefully at what this verse is saying, the Jews proud fully exclaimed “indeed we have killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary.” This however makes no sense that the Jews are referring to Jesus as the Messiah whom they had disbelieved in according to the Quran so this basically tells me that the Jews disbelieved in Jesus and his message as their Messiah yet a while later the Quran says that the Jews exclaimed and said we have killed the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, so did the Jews believe in Jesus as the Messiah or not, I’m confused? One might say Jews were saying it sarcastically, but Jews even sarcastically never joke about the Messiah who is practically the center of Judaism and was the hope of the Jews for centuries, even uttering the title Messiah in Judaism has to be done with great respect and careful word choices according to the Orthodox Jews.
From this information we can no doubt determine the Islamic account of the crucifixtion was a fabricated event, Jesus indeed was crucified according to all of Jerusalem who personally witnessed his death, including his own mother Mary and the Apostles, to say that God made someone else die in the place of Jesus to deceive the Apostles and the mother of Jesus, Mary who is called a chaste and pure women in the Quran, like how the Quran says Allah made it seem to them as Jesus had died, this would make God look like a complete liar and would be incredible and utter blasphemy to suggest that God would deceive or mislead his own followers like that, historians also report a man who claimed to be the Messiah and Son of God was crucified in Jerusalem, some refer to him as the Nazarene, some reffered to him as the Christ in their work, let’s look at what Roman historian Tactius has to say: All human efforts . . . of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus , and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. |
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