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    Posted: 06 March 2018 at 7:43am
One event which until now shakes the very foundations of Islam the satanic verses, Mohammed according to all the great and ancient scholars of Islam (Al Tabari, Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Saad, Waqidi, Bukhari, and many more) preached that Allat, Manat and Al Uzza pagan goddess could intercede on behalf of Allah and as soon as Mohammeds pagan enemies heard this they reconciled with him for a brief while and prostrated with him. But as soon as Mohammed revealed this revelation Jebreil (Gabriel) came down and told Mohammed that he had made a grave mistake and Mohammed now corrected his earlier revelation by condemning the polytheism of his people. Many Muslims will say this is a fake account but let's go to the Quran don't Muslims always bring us the challenge to produce something like the Quran well no need to because if this is a fabricated event then that means someone was able to conjure up a false Quranic Surah which would technically mean Allah lied since he said no one can make something like the Quran. So Muslims will either have to choose one of the following:
1. Mohammed said the satanic verses and Islam is false since it kind of destroys the whole concept of Tawheed in Islam.
2. Mohammed did not say this and this is fabricated and the Quran is false since Allah lied when he said no one can produce something like the Quran
So clearly we can conclude Muslims have no way out of this argument.
PS sorry for the long piece of writing tried to shorten it as much as possible.
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Dear viewer,
There is no reference of this incident in any authentic book of ahadith. There is no reference of this in the Quran. Its a fabricated story. The prophet never said that and scholarship, both Muslims and non Muslim is conclusive on its fabrication.
Of course there are individuals and religious establishments who accept this fabrication. No Muslim believes in the authenticity.
If Muslim historians have referred to this fabrication i their books, it was referred to as a fabrication. 
It is a non issue among Muslims and serous students of religion.
Of course it is being raised by people who have refused to acknowledge the divine origin of Islam. They would concoct every possible story to ridicule or falsify Islam. Muslims are aware of it and they are not bothered such mean attacks.
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Originally posted by Dr. Aslam Dr. Aslam wrote:

Dear viewer,
There is no reference of this incident in any authentic book of ahadith. There is no reference of this in the Quran. Its a fabricated story. The prophet never said that and scholarship, both Muslims and non Muslim is conclusive on its fabrication.
Of course there are individuals and religious establishments who accept this fabrication. No Muslim believes in the authenticity.
If Muslim historians have referred to this fabrication i their books, it was referred to as a fabrication. 
It is a non issue among Muslims and serous students of religion.
Of course it is being raised by people who have refused to acknowledge the divine origin of Islam. They would concoct every possible story to ridicule or falsify Islam. Muslims are aware of it and they are not bothered such mean attacks.
Aslam Abdullah
 
What was concocted if the Quran says this.
[53:2] Your friend (Muhammad) was not astray, nor was he deceived.

[53:3] Nor was he speaking out of a personal desire.

[53:4] It was divine inspiration.

[53:5] Dictated by the Most Powerful.

[53:6] Possessor of all authority. From His highest height.

 
The Aus and Khazraj tribes of Medina were the most prominent worshipers of Manat, while the Quraish of Mecca paid much reverence to Allat and al-`Uzza, most of all to the latter. The Quraish were the tribe to which Muhammad belonged, and Ibn al-Kalbi states that before the prophet began to preach his own message he himself once offered a white sheep to al-`Uzza. Such was the "paganism" in which Muhammad was reared and which he later came to believe it was his mission to dispel.
The same three goddesses appear -and then disappear-in an extremely curious and much-discussed place in Sura 53 of the Quran. The exact context is unknown, but Muhammad was still at Mecca and was apparently feeling the pressures of the Quraysh resistance to his message: "When the Messenger of God saw how his tribe turned their backs on him and was grieved to see them shunning the message he had brought to them from God, he longed in his soul that something would come to him from God that would reconcile him with his tribe. With his love for his tribe and his eagerness for their welfare, it would have delighted him if some of the difficulties which they made for him could have been smoothed, and he debated with himself and fervently desired such an outcome. Then God revealed (Sura 53) ... and when he came to the words "Have you thought al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other?" (VV. 19-20) Satan cast on his tongue, because of his inner debates and what he desired to bring to his people, the words: "These are the high-flying cranes; verily their intercession is to be hoped for." When the Quraysh heard this, they rejoiced and were happy and delighted at the way in which he had spoken of their gods, and they listened to him, while the Muslims, having complete trust in their Prophet with respect of the message which he brought from God, did not suspect him of error, illusion or mistake. When he came to the prostration, having completed the Sura, he prostrated himself and the Muslims did likewise.... The polytheists of the Quraysh and others who were in the mosque [that is, the Meccan Haram] likewise prostrated themselves because of the reference to their gods which they heard, so that there was no one in the mosque, believer or unbeliever, who did not prostrate himself ... Then they all dispersed from the mosque. The Quraysh left delighted at the mention of their gods."
 
 
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If this was fabricated by the enemies of Islam then they must have tired to fake a verse Mohammed said to make the story believable so that means they attempted with success and produced something like the Quran so technically this would disapprove the Quran. Muslims of the 7th century and 8th century didn't even deny this event they acknowledged it and would try to explain it using apologetic arguments.
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Let us make it a civil discussion. The answer has already been given. if you do not accept it, it is you way of thinking.

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You must give a solid answer not an apologetic argument, Dr. Aslam.
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The answer has already been given and if you do not want to hear this, live in your own echo.

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With all due respect yiu didn't answer it Dr. Alsam you danced around it, it's a yes or no question. Did Mohammed really say the Gharaniq verse, if yes, then you know what that means, if no, then someone must have fabricated the event in which case he made an attempt to produce something like the Quran and at ont point people of the 7th and 8th century believed this story it undoes the Quranic challenge of produce a Surah like it. The Quran just puts forward a challenge it doesn't give the rules and regulations regarding the challenge, it says produce one like it and according to you they did. I don't see anyway one can really escape from this argument since it's either yes or no.
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