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Christians are not expected to convince anyone of anything. We are to inform people of the good news, and discuss only when invited. If we are not willingly invited into conversation the prescription is to simply keep moving until we find someone who is willing.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

Christians are not expected to convince anyone of anything. We are to inform people of the good news, and discuss only when invited. If we are not willingly invited into conversation the prescription is to simply keep moving until we find someone who is willing.


Odd, I see that christians will do anything they can to use any power they can to force their religion onto those who would prefer not to have to deal with it.

https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/02/we-cant-allow-faith-groups-to-hamper-efforts-to-regulate-supplementary-schools

For example.
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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


Odd, I see a lot of Muslims who want the whole world to be Islamic.

Islam does not allow 'Forcing' religion onto anyone. Because 'Truth' is clear, and 'Falsehood' (Error) is also clear , and God has given us 'choice' to follow whichever we prefer:

Qur'an [2:256]:



Also: If I was to invite someone to Islam, then I am bound by strict guidelines:

Qur'an [16:125]:





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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Nobody is asking you to care about Prophet Muhammad PBUH and his teachings...


Odd, I see a lot of Muslims who want the whole world to be Islamic.

I want to straighten out here that Muslims do not want the whole world to be Islamic, because it would be violate God's decrees.
Perhaps what you see now that Muslims are getting more in this world that is because of their desire to become Muslims and also God's will.
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Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:


Odd, I see a lot of Muslims who want the whole world to be Islamic.

Islam does not allow 'Forcing' religion onto anyone. Because 'Truth' is clear, and 'Falsehood' (Error) is also clear , and God has given us 'choice' to follow whichever we prefer:

Qur'an [2:256]:


Also: If I was to invite someone to Islam, then I am bound by strict guidelines:

Qur'an [16:125]:



So those who leave Islam are not killed by Muslims then?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/hindu-muslim-pakistan/536238/

History can also be ignored when your know your religion is right and those pesky facts of many many forced conversions in the past are lesser truths thamn your truth.

http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41989&PID=214976&Type=EmailNotification#214976

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Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Quote Nobody is asking you to care about Prophet Muhammad PBUH and his teachings...


Odd, I see a lot of Muslims who want the whole world to be Islamic.

I want to straighten out here that Muslims do not want the whole world to be Islamic, because it would be violate God's decrees.
Perhaps what you see now that Muslims are getting more in this world that is because of their desire to become Muslims and also God's will.


I see the religion of Islam being deeply threatened by the modern world. I see the backlash against the "logic" of it being expressed in many forms, ISIS to the attitude of Islamic posters here to the resistance of Islamic communities to intergrate with wider western society in western nations.

I see this as the last gasp of the religion before it becomes as central to society in Islamic hearts as christianity is to the societies of the West. A tradition and a refuge for those who just can't cope with personal responisibility.

This process is being slowed by the impact of Saudi money from oil. Once the world moves on from the age of oil then Islam will be the same as Hinduism. A quaint tradition.
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There are indeed some Christians who are obnoxious proselytizers, and some Muslims who go overboard as well.

There are ideologues and atheists who push their secular opinions on everyone too. These are individual problems. Think of these people as an opportunity to increase your tolerance.
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Originally posted by DavidC DavidC wrote:

There are indeed some Christians who are obnoxious proselytizers, and some Muslims who go overboard as well.

There are ideologues and atheists who push their secular opinions on everyone too. These are individual problems. Think of these people as an opportunity to increase your tolerance.

Well said DavidC. I agree.
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