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Posted By: akthus
Subject: What proof is there that Muhammad was a p
Date Posted: 13 January 2018 at 12:49pm
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This is a genuine question.
What proof do we really have that Muhammad was a prophet. After all the claim is only made by him and then we are meant to believe the Quran was from God. But everything written down in the Quran came through Muhammad. We are meant to believe the Bible and Torah but there are some huge differences between these books and the Quran. Everybody who believes in his religion claims that their religion is correct and someone else's is wrong. So the question is what proof is there that the Quran was from God. Please don't say the Quran says so and you must believe it. That would not be proof. |
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Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 6:21am
| There are several reasons that Quran is word of Allah,first we must know that prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh)was illiterate,I will be presenting you some verses and reason behind it. |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 6:23am
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﴿سورة الذاريات ٤٧﴾ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
[Quran 51:47] We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it. Here Allah is saying Allah created universe and he is expanding it 1400 years ago in Quran, Edwin Hubble discovered this fact in late 1800's,so how could an illiterate man could say such an advanced thing, certainly it was Allah who wrote Quran. |
Posted By: NABA
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 6:36am
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﴿سورة المؤمنون﴾
١٢) وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ ١٣) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ ١٤) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ [Quran Chapter 23] 12. We created man from an extract of clay. 13. Then We made him a seed, in a secure repository. 14. Then We developed the seed into a clot. Then We developed the clot into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.here in this verse whole human embryo development is mentioned which was discovered by scientists in 1900's,this cannot be said by prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh),it was mentioned by Allah |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 6:49am
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@Naba & Akthus
Looking at the different translations of 51:47 in http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=51&verse=47 - Corpus Quran
A) It is easy to see that different translators arrive at different sentences/meanings. Actually the sentences are so wishy washy that they are useless anyway. Most of it is "Mumble mumble" and it takes a lot of wishful thinking to interpret the Big Bang into this patter. -----------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------- The verses on "embryology"
C) Muhammad a salesman who travelled and had a lot of exchange with other people. He heard of -and copied these "claims" from- the greek philosopher Galen. The information content is almost zero and from the little that is left we know that the sequence of embryonic development is different from the one stated in the Quran. Naba, you're a doctor! Your professional conscience should forbid you circulating this kind of statements. ---------------------------------------------------- D) Summary: These verses are a distinct indication that Muhammad was definitely not what he claimed to be. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Sahih International: And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 8:07am
What do you think Hubble discovered and how was it described in the Koran? |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 8:09am
That is not at all a desciption of the development of any embryo. It is not infact a description of the growth of an embryo in the Koran. Why do you want it to be something it is not and is wrong for the thing you want itto be? |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 12:06pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7J6wfeDvo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7J6wfeDvo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPhDa5CONg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIPhDa5CONg http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/143341/evidence-that-muhammad-was-a-prophet - http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/143341/evidence-that-muhammad-was-a-prophet https://islamqa.info/en/13804 - https://islamqa.info/en/13804 |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 3:34pm
A embrio does not developed from a blood clot, but from "a male cell and a female cell" and God created the first man out of the "dust of the earth" blood clots you get when your blood thickens in your veins. |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 January 2018 at 3:45pm
The Quran was not from God. Jesus predicted it long before islam apeared on the screen. Jesus� prophecy of false teachers coming in His name began to be fulfilled even during the era of the apostles. Paul mentioned a number of false teachers. He said a �different gospel� was already being preached |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 20 January 2018 at 10:31pm
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The best proof Muhummad was a prophet is the existence and growth of Islam, and the organization of the godless Quyrash into a worshipful and monotheistic society.
These things could not happen without God's counsel and approval. I am a Christian but this seems indisputable. Simply compare Arabic society before and after Muhammad. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 21 January 2018 at 2:24am
Question by Akthus:
Miaw's Answer
@Miaw: Do you have words of your own to explain your point of view ? To me it looks as if you said: I have no clue but you may find an answer in these videos[Good luck !]. If not, well I can not really help you either. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 21 January 2018 at 3:18am
So what accounts for the much more rapid growth of the Mongol Empire? Or the massively transforming cultural conquest that has happened since about 1700 with the modern western Enlightenment of science/democracy/rule of law/industrialisation? Are these events also the result of God wanting it to happen? |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 21 January 2018 at 7:13am
@DavidC
Taking your logic to the end even Karl Marx (bpuH) was a messenger of god. How else can you explain that a simple man could write a book which found such a wide audience ? Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 21 January 2018 at 1:35pm
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The Mongol and Roman empires existed and grew as they were also a conquering people with their own prophets and leaders. Does that mean they were of God? The earth is under the dominion of Satan.
Buddhism had a positive effect on Hindu society. Does that mean Buddhism is of God ? |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 26 January 2018 at 12:22pm
Where in the above verse do you see it saying: "A embrio does developed from a blood clot"?? These verses that you are commenting on are further proof that Muhammad PBUH was indeed a Prophet and Messenger of Allah. Otherwise how could he have described these stages of foetus development in great detail when there was no scientific knowledge to speak of, no microscopes and when the world was in the dark ages? Modern scientists from across the world are amazed at the accuracy of the Qur'an in using this precise term 'clot'. In fact, when women have a miscarriage, that is exactly what they see: a 'clot': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQlQqf3TXCU - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQlQqf3TXCU http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/pregnancy-64/early-pregnancy-537/897472-very-confused-miscarriage-blood-clot-advice-please.html - https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/pregnancy-64/early-pregnancy-537/897472-very-confused-miscarriage-blood-clot-advice-please.html How did Muhammad PBUH know these details? Where did he acquire this detailed knowledge from? Answer: from our Lord Allah SWT. http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm - https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 26 January 2018 at 1:10pm
Incorrect. see my much earlier post.
Correct! Prophet Jesus (Isa) PBUH did give gald tidings of another prophet called 'Ahmad' (another name for Muhammad) coming after him. However unfortunately the later church clergy (At a time when the church was the absolute authority) decided to remove this from the Gospel for obvious reasons. The Qur'an informed us of this prophecy of Jesus PBUH: وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ [61:6] And remember, 'Isa, the son of Maryam, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said, "This is evident sorcery!" |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 26 January 2018 at 5:12pm
In 1929, US astronomer Edwin Hubble to make observations and see distant galaxies and always moving away from us at high speed. He also saw the distance between galaxies increases every moment. Hubble's discovery showed that the universe is not static as we believed for a long time, but the move expands. This then raises an estimate that the universe began with a huge explosion in the past, called the Big Bang. Allah says in Quran 21:30 �Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were a joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? � The verse informs that at the beginning of the earth, the sky, and all the heavenly bodies is one unified, then explode and scattered like what we see now. This proves that the Quran 14 centuries ago has informed about matters relating to science. Nowadays, science is very important for human beings who want to prove the truth of Allah's Word in Quran. Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) said: �All sky objects move surround the sun in circle tracks.� This is known as the Heliocentric theory which was presented in his book entitled De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, but his theory was perfected by Sir Isaac Newton, a scientist who is enhance the previous theories, and the following is his statement: �Every object in the Universe attracts every other object with a force directed along the line of centers for the two objects that is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separation between the two objects.� Quran 36:38 �And the sun runs on its orbit, That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.� This verse has provided information that the sun has an orbit and circulate together with the type of suns beyond our solar system. Those facts prove that the contents of the Quran is impossible be made by humans or any creatures including the Prophet Muhammad. Quran down to earth around the 14th century, whereas the theory of scientists emerged later, that is around the 18-20 Century. �Say: � If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur�an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.�� (Qur�an 17:88) |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 27 January 2018 at 3:09am
That in no way describes the Big Bang. The Big Bang happened and there was still no earth. Still no water. Billions of years went by and then there were stars, galaxies and black holes. These produced the elements other than hydrogen in explosions. Then more billions of years went by with more explosions and collisions which have resulted in more stars and planets. Only after 9 billion years was there an earth and a sky above it. You kind of have to have something to stand on to have a sky.
If he did he was wrong. Only the planets of the solar system and other things orbiting the sun do that.
Quran 36:38 �And the sun runs on its orbit, That is
the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.� This verse has provided information that
the sun has an orbit and circulate together with the type of suns beyond our
solar system. Clearly not. Clearly the Koran was talking from an earth observation point of view and thus was wrong. Also "orbit", I bet he did not use that word.
�Say: � If the mankind and the jinn were together to
produce the like of this Qur�an, they could not produce the like thereof, even
if they helped one another.�� (Qur�an 17:88) You can find similar lines in any ancient creation myth and twist them to fit the modern theory of how the universe formed. Does not make them a decent description of the event though. |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 27 January 2018 at 10:31pm
| How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ? |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 12:55am
The Qur'an is impossible to describe everything in detail, the Qur'an only gives signs of God's power in heavens and earth even in hell and heaven. From there, man with his intellect and science can develop as it is now. ----------- -------------- ------ |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 1:26am
Even though in Islam there is an order to study science, both about the science of religion and other useful science. But the more precedence is the science of religion where it is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter. All Muslims believe that life in this world is only temporary, the real life is the next life (hereafter). That is one of the reasons that Islam is not so curious in demanding the science of the world or backwardness in the world science. For Muslims, the science of salvation in the hereafter should be obtained soonest because all humans do not know when the death come to pick them up. |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 4:42am
So you what you wanted to tell me you take a blood clot to develop a embrio what is this now reversed development? |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 5:23am
The Quran wasn't and never will be from God it was writen by human hands and tell me why did Uthman burn the other 25 Qurans how did he picked one out of 25 to be the word of God why didn't the first Quran apeared to be the word of God if it it was so perfect? Jesus never predicted anything about any prophet after him and not even mentioned Ahmad in the bible and clerics haven't removed your so called Ahmad from the bible if the late so clerics removed it from the bible then someone must have removed it from the original codex of the bible also, so bring your evidence. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 8:19am
The west has seen to that. What you call 'Muslim countries' have been under military occupation and colonialism from western countries for centuries. Nowadays they are mostly run by dictators and puppets of the west. However there was a time when the west was living in the dark ages... a time when if anyone in Europe for example uttered a word about science they would be accused of witchcraft and burnt at the stakes... a time when the Church was the absolute authority in charge... this was also when there was no other universities other than in Muslim land. So much so that western rulers and kings used to send their sons and daughters to study in Muslim universities. Example: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TPHP4U9BLEEPSNS8R/george-ii-king-of-england-letter-to-muslim-ruler-b - http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TPHP4U9BLEEPSNS8R/george-ii-king-of-england-letter-to-muslim-ruler-b see also: http://mvslim.com/inspiring-muslim-women-fatima-al-fihr/ - http://mvslim.com/inspiring-muslim-women-fatima-al-fihr/
When Islam first came, the Arabs were warring tribes of Bedouins. Thanks to Islam, and within 30 years, the same people were teaching the world all fields of Science, Technology and Knowledge. They had turned into a civilisation that would brighten the world with knowledge for almost 8 centuries: The longest civilisation in Human History so far today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world http://www.islamicity.org/5580/science-and-scholarship-in-al-andalus/ - http://www.islamicity.org/5580/science-and-scholarship-in-al-andalus/ http://www.islamicspain.tv/Arts-and-Science/science_in_al-andalus.htm - http://www.islamicspain.tv/Arts-and-Science/science_in_al-andalus.htm What happened then? Apart from being colonized and occupied, many Muslims (including some of their later rulers) strayed away from the original message of Islam, and started indulging in life pleasures...and you know the rest. I hope this answers you query. MIAW |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 6:41pm
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Essentially, everything that happens in this world is with the permission of God or the will of God, as we can see in everyday life. The very basic difference between the messengers of God and the leaders other than them is: the Apostles brought the religious principle of God through the angel even they can directly hear the voice of their God like Prophet Ibrahim, Moses and other Apostles, while other leaders may not be able like that, other leaders are only given the ability, personal charismatic, and strong influence that can lead many people. |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 6:57pm
What about Satan ? |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 6:59pm
This is just the usual Muslim blame game. Its time Muslims wake up and take responsibility for their own failings. Western colonialism brought the benefits of law and order and peace, prosperity, trade, modern agriculture, education, medicine, technology, democracy, new trade markets and Islam being introduced to the modern world. If you want to blame the West for your �puppet dictators� why stop with the west. Why not blame your Ottoman Muslim cousins who did nothing to develop the Muslim world politically? That�s true about the European Dark Ages but what you forget is the advanced European classical civilisation that preceeded the Dark Ages. Also I think you will find the �dark ages� were not a �dark� as you think. . And what else is true is that the west was able to reform. This is not the case with the Muslim world which still lives in the medieval world today. Islams apostasy laws have got a lot to answer for. And what foundations contributed the the �Muslim Golden Age�? It was the non Muslim civilisations of Persian, Greece and Rome. And the �Muslim Golden Age was centuries ago. What has Islam provided to humanity over the last few centuries ? You say Islam is the oldest civilisation in human history. Really ? What about China and Confucianism / Buddhism, Indian Hinduism and the Christian world? All of theses are far older than Islam. |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 7:06pm
You say the �precedence iof the science of religion is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter �. Maybe that�s why the Muslim world is such a mess? Too much Quran star gazing and not enough scientific common sense applied to daily life ? |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 31 January 2018 at 11:10pm
Hi 2Acts, I shall be replying to your posts later (sorry,no time at the moment). However, there is just one point that is URGENT and cannot wait: Just a word of advice: Quickly! Take a trip down to 'Specsavers' before the January Sales end! 
You would see above that I did not say 'oldest'. I said 'longest'; as in 'how long it spanned'. MIAW |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 12:37pm
Hello MIAW. Ok then. China and Confucianism / Buddhism, Indian Hinduism and the Christian world have all been around 'longer' than Islam. |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 3:47pm
The word "Satan" comes from the word "Syatona" which means "far away", or "far from Allah's grace." According to the term, satan is a creature that breaks Allah's law and transcends the limits of Allah's provision, whether they are group of the jinn or the humans, and any behavior in the form of ugliness and evil is attributed to him. Satan is a creature of Allah who always follows humans. He is the most dangerous enemy to mankind. He holds a grudge against all the descendants of Adam. Satan is always trying to mislead the descendants of Adam so that many humans are affected by his seduction. It is rare for mankind to speak of this one enemy, even though satan is the most eager to destroy mankind. |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 3:53pm
In the Qur'an there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter and the world knowledge. Muslims will fall apart because of two factors (internal & external), ie from within the people of Islam itself, including those who are hypocritical, and those who are lazy to seek knowledge including the world knowledge that is beneficial to themselves and others. While external factors are those who want to destroy the teachings of Islam both openly and with other ways. The Qur'an does not explain anything that has to do with the scientific in detail, but the Qur'an gives signs that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations that exists in this universe including those that exist in themselves, and mankind is commanded to uncover it. But that must be remembered is that what has been informed in the Qur'an, is not all scientifically traceable, for example, can the spirit (roh) be scientifically researched ?, whereas if humans without the spirit would not be able to live, and many others examples. Narrated Ibn Majah from Ibn Umar that someone asked the Prophet Muhammad: "O Messenger of Allah, among believers, which one is the best?" He replied: "the believer with the best moral". Then the man asks again: "If the most intelligent believer?" He replied again: "the believer who always remember his death, and best in preparing all things for the salvation in the next life, that's the smartest." There are so many examples in front of our eyes that those who have died first, and surely we will catch up next, it could be next year, next month, next week or tomorrow, no one knows except Allah. We live in this world only temporarily, while the real life is the Hereafter as in His word. That is one of the reasons why some of Muslims more prioritize on the enjoyment of the hereafter rather than the enjoyment of the world. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 6:43pm
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Everything that came with the Ottoman Empire came because of the foundations that were already in place long before islam came along and conquered. Much of the greatness of the Ottoman empire sprung out of the greatness of the Persian empire, and of the Constantine empire... the areas which the conquerors in the name of islam, took over. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 01 February 2018 at 10:26pm
Thankyou Asep garut. But if the Qur'an says there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter AND the world knowledge, and that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations, why is it then there are no decent universities in the Muslim world and no decent science coming from Islam ? |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 5:55am
You're welcome 2Act, The development of Muslims world science is hampered by many factors, including internal & external factors, as I've previously stated. Thank you. |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 10:58pm
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Hi Asep
Can you please tell me what the external factors are ? |
Posted By: 2Acts
Date Posted: 06 February 2018 at 1:06pm
Thanks for that Caringheart. Yes and apart from the Ottoman Empire it seems there was a flourishing of Islamic science earlier based in Bagdad and Andalusa. However it must be remembered that Islamic science had it foundations in Persian, Greek and Roman science. And there has been nothing scientifically of significance from the Islamic world for centuries. |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 11 February 2018 at 1:13am
2Act, There are some non-Muslims who really don't like the teachings of Islam, so they always try to make Muslims not united. Because according to them, if Muslims unite will win including in knowledge other than religion. Maybe someday there will be other additional factors. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 11 February 2018 at 3:02am
When will it be that Moslems start to accept that the reason the Islamic world is not united or in any way leading the world is very little to do with the outside world and all to do with the people in the Islamic world. You Moslems should also note that besides taking responsibility for your own political state the understanding that the West has triumphed not through unity but through disunity. It is our competition with each other at every level that has resulted in this industrial, scientific and cultural conquest of the world. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 11 February 2018 at 1:02pm
It's more about sending planes into skyscrapers, killing the "Charly Hebdo" team because they depicted Muhammad their way, this "best religion" thinking (and the superiority complex that goes with it), accompanied by sulky muslims believing that the whole world is: A) against them B) Deluded, because they don't realize how smashing the Quran is. Actually, in my European world people care roughly as much about Muhammad's teachings (or rather as little) as they do about the Shinto or the http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/anthropology-and-archaeology/people/dogon - Dogon religion or Voodoo. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 13 February 2018 at 1:01pm
Then I would urge you to change your environment quickly... because 'hatred' does not allow for good reasoning...
You are barking up the wrong tree here; go tell the extremists who committed those crimes, for this is an 'Interfaith dialogue'... not an opportunity for you to have a 'dig' about incidents where many innocent victims (Muslims and Non-Muslims) lost their lives or their loved ones. Have some respect. You won't find me smearing all Christian/Jewish populations with atrocities committed by some Christian/Jewish 'nut job'. We are all victims in the middle of this 'war' between two extremist poles who are engaging in tit-for-tat attacks (not on each other unfortunately, but on all of us in the middle, regardless of our faith , skin colour, age, gender or background).
Really?.. Is that why Islam is the fastest growing 'religion/way of life' in Europe and the world? You don't have to go very far... Just google the following questions: What is Europe's fastest growing religion? What is the world's fastest growing religion? Here is an example of what you will find: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/16/world/islam-fastest-growing-religion-trnd/index.html - https://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/16/world/islam-fastest-growing-religion-trnd/index.html But more importantly... do you know the reason for: why is Islam the world's fastest growing religion? Some western media will talk about birth rates and demographics... but the real reason is that people are not st**id; they know where the truth is. People have grown tired of religions that don't make sense, where there are many Gods running the show (too many cooks an' all that), a God who has a son (i.e. a family!), a God who drinks alcohol...etc. Hundreds of people from around the world are embracing Islam every single day. Islam has all the 'answers to questions' that other religions don't have. The right answers to individuals' and societies' problems. This is no 'superiority complex'... Islam is a 'clean' and 'very reasonable' way of life, for anyone who abides by its rules and follows its teachings properly. I, for one, am very happy with it, and would like nothing more than to be left alone to practice it as required. My words may be a bit harsh, but you were 'out of line' with your comment. Qur'an: [61:8] Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). [9:32] Fain would they extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). MIAW |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 13 February 2018 at 2:50pm
Seed developed into embrio not a blood clot. |
Posted By: jazzyj7
Date Posted: 13 February 2018 at 3:37pm
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Muslims- so in Islam they believe Allah sent Jabril(Angel Gabriel) to Muhammad and that's where he got revelations on islam but the first time you hear about the angel Gabriel in the Bible is with the prophet Daniel. Daniel was before Jesus which means he's way before Muhammad so if the quran doesn't align with the book of Daniel then you can prove it's a imposter angel. The Bible say's satan disguises himself as a angel of light. In Daniel chapter 9 the angel comes to Daniel and gives him a prophecy, the messiah will be cut off, not for himself and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary. Jesus was killed not for himself but for the world and then in 70AD that's when the romans came and destroyed the city and the sanctuary just like the bible says. In Daniel chapter7:13 He gets a vision of one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven, He was given authority, glory, and soverign power, all nations and people of every language worshipped him and his dominion is a everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will be destroyed. This is talking about when Jesus returns at his 2nd comeing to rule on earth as king of kings and lord of lords that's when all the nations will "worship him." In the quran this is obviously a conflicting message because they don't believe any man should be worshipped so therefore the angel that Muhammad encountered can not be real angel Gabriel considering Daniel encounterd the angel before him. once again, the Bible says satan disguises himself as a angel of light. In Isaiah it gives you the 5 pointed plan of the devil. 1. I will ascend into heaven 2. I will exalt my throne above the stars of god. 3 I will sit in the mount of congregation in the utter most parts of the north. 4 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. 5 I will be like the most high. satan wanted to accomplish two things with islam 1. mess up the identity of god. 2. remove the cross which is mans salvation. He has muslims praying 5 times a day to mock them because they are oblivious of his 5 pointed plan to be like the most high.
Atheist- Satan used the opposite foundation of the reverse trick to take you back to the original lie within your minds. If you go back into the bible In the garden of eden you will see that it was two trees. Tree of knowledge of good and evil and Gods tree of life. Put the original lie at the root of the tree of knowledge of good and evil symbolically. Surely you will not die when ye eat therof, your eyes will be opened, ye will become as god, knowing good and evil. What was produced on the exterior was sin, death, wickidness, fall of man, nakedness. Now remove gods tree of life from the garden and replace it with the modern day tree of life(tree of evolution) The bait the trap at the root to get you to eat is fact, logic, reason, science, intelligence, Once you take the bait and become atheist what's produced on the exterior is the original lie. Your eyes are opened(something came from nothing) ye will become as god(you remove god from the equation you become your own god), knowing good and evil(you can be a good person without believing in god) Surely death is not eternal. All that is within your inner subconscious from taking the bait of fact, logic, reason, science, intelligence. Opposite foundation, reverse trap because the interior is the exterior and the exterior is the interior(formula) to take you back to the original lie within your subconscious. Satan set up a dummy god in the east to counter the real god and a dummy tree of life in the west to counter gods tree of life. Blessed is the one who is victorious for he will be granted access to eat from the tree of life which is in the paradise of god. |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 13 February 2018 at 9:20pm
Airmano, The religion of Islam is not a religion that teaches violence, again I say not a religion about violence, as for those who commit violence eg ISIS and others, it may be there's a reason that makes them do so. The Qur'an does not teach people to kill each other, in essence the Qur'an only invites people to monotheism (tauheed), that is to worship only to Allah (one God). Then all Muslims are commanded to convey and explain the Qur'an, and not necessarily by coercion, because the guidance (hidayah) belongs only to Allah. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 14 February 2018 at 6:16am
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As such it is reasonable to tell you what the simplifed perception of Islam is in the West. You then go on to prove his point. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 14 February 2018 at 2:37pm
Wow, apparently a neuralgic spot. First, where did I say that I agree with this point of view ? My sentence started with: "in my environment..." OK, but since you kindly asked me I give you my opinion about the situation: I do fully realize that "the standard muslim" does not exist. There is of course a wide range between tolerant sufis and hardcore islamists. Actually I have never seen such a inhomogeneous belief system, since everybody seems to knit his or her interpretation and the vast choice of (contradicting) surahs and Hadiths allows everybody to feel happy with his interpretation. (That much about "a clear book") This is probably because there is no central authority as it is the case in the Roman catholic church. Your point that Muslims suffer the most from Muslim attacks may even be correct, but this doesn't take the point away that the aggressors are majoritarily Muslims (or didn't they do the Schahāda according to you ?) I equally doubt that there have been many Muslims in the Charly Hebdo team or in the Bataclan. Now you can of course (and may be to a certain extend even rightly) accuse me of giving european (or call it Christian lives if you want) a higher value as Muslims lives. But before you raise your voice too high: where is the Muslim outcry to the https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-james-clark/christianity-most-persecuted-religion_b_2402644.html - situation where Christians may be the most persecuted religious group in the world (and especially in Muslim countries, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Indonesia - including Aseps ) nowadays ? You and your brothers in faith don't seem to be particularly bothered by this subject either. When it comes to atrocities I think we're on par: I understand the Muslim outrage about the crusades and Mr. Bush attacking Iraq. What amazes me however is how uncontested the historical imperial Muslim conquests are looked at within the Muslim world. The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion - slave system the Muslim established (starting at day zero with Muhammad) was probably worse than the european one has ever been. Even the word "slave" goes back to -you name it- the muslims. This is not to say "we are better" but please open your eyes to the dark sides of Muslim history as well and may be we can talk on a eye to eye level were both sides admit that they (morally) failed. Now a last but in my eyes very important point in this context: Many Muslims claim -almost delightfully- that atheists have killed more men than any other religious group. Clearly: Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot seem to support this theory. Since 9/11 and even more Isis this vision of moral superiority of the Muslims has however taken a serious hit. Of course can you argue "they haven't understood Islam", but I grew up in divided Germany and at the time the western communists argued when the subject came onto the failed eastern communist system: "they haven't understood Marx/Communism". Sounds familiar ? It should ! If you still insist on the cynical calculation that by numbers Isis has killed less people than Hitler: Correct, but if they had had a full blown arsenal of (nuclear) weapons, do you really doubt that they would have hesitated one single second to kill (in the name of Allah) a maximum number of Kuffars- likely at a much higher number than Hitler ever did ? Of course, the Islamic state has been defeated as it seems, but morally it is Islam which has been permanently discredited, like it or not. Where has the muslim community been to stop these butchers ? The moral damage which Isis did to Islam is IMHO as strong -or as weak if you prefer- as the one Stalin or Pol Pot did to the communist ideology, and Islam will eventually go down the same trodden path. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny, in your writing you get excited about my statement on the Muslim "superiority complex" but in what you wrote you give a full blown proof of exactly that. Let me extract some of your key claims (and superlatives): 1) Fastest growing religion, Some western media will talk about birth rates and demographics... [Islam is so convincing that everybody flocks in] 2) Islam is [the] truth. [Implying all others are wrong] 3) Islam has all the 'answers to questions' that other religions don't have 4) People have grown tired of [their respective] religions. Now there are two ways to look at it: either you are right and in this case one may argue that your wording is correct or it is "superiority thinking". Taking your own(!) CNN link above I find as explanation for the growth of Islam: Why? Muslim women have more children, on average -- 3.1 children compared to 2.3 for all other religious groups combined, Pew says. So no "Islam grows because everybody wants to be in" whatsoever. Your own link ! Worse even: The guy in your link who talks about how smashing Islam is, sits now in a prison in France and is accused of rape by several women. Sounds like a bad start. Moral superiority ? Let's look at what (the so much hated) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion - Wiki has to say: Religious conversion has little impact on Muslim population, since the number of people who convert to or leave Islam are roughly equal. (Wiki gives also sources to where the info comes from) hm, it's getting worse ! There are even viscous people https://hackspirit.com/new-study-reveals-worlds-fastest-growing-religion-not-christianity-islam/ - claiming that it is neither Islam nor Christianity That Jehovah's Testimonies and the Mormons claim the same won't surprise you either. If you really push it you can even find: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/islam-is-the-fastest-dying-religion-in-the-world.65892/ - sites about Muslims claiming that Islam is fading at a record rate. Wow ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's look at number two: "Islam is Truth" Well, all religions claim this to a certain extend. It is a statement which is logically as disprovable as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russells_teapot - celestial teapot . However the proof is on the claimers side and you have absolutely none. BTW: More than 3/4 of the world population did so-far not get convinced by it either. This statement is at best worthless, but definitely pretentious. Looking again at your(!) Link you find this guy, title and link: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/26/opinions/believer-personal-faith-essay-reza-aslan/index.html - Reza Aslan: Why I am a Muslim. There you find the sentence: " I know better than to take the truth claims of any religion (including my own) too seriously." Something to think about, isn't it ? BTW: I have absolutely no problem with his view on Islam and religion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3) Islam has all the 'answers to questions' that other religions don't have Did you ever tell this a Christian, Buddhist an Aboriginal or a Dogon face to face ? I don't know whether you did, but I promise you that all would feel your statement as being displaced and arrogant. ---------------------------------------------------- 4) People have grown tired of [their respective] religions Again as before a heavy form of wishful (and pretentious) thinking and I guess that you never tested your own theory. In any case it is not supported by the facts. (Or would you have any ?) --------------------------------------------------------------- To conclude: In your own writing you give a rather clear prove of this "sulky superiority thing". Now, when it comes to 'superiority complex' let's see (again) what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex - Wiki has to say about it: ...is a psychological defense mechanism that compensates for an inferiority complex And this is what it is really all about: The absence of intellectual, scientific and even moral progress brought by the Muslim world in the last 700 years. Arabic as former lingua franca ? Not anymore. In essence the famous: Allah gave us the "best religion in the world" but why doesn't he support us [anymore] ? I let you ponder about this question. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 14 February 2018 at 4:02pm
Tim the plumber, In Islam, the unity is very important because it's the command of God, and if it is violated it will complicate the internal Muslims themselves as described in the Qur'an, then if there are differences of opinion but not to cause division, that will result in improvements. but if there are differences of opinion that cause division, then besides it is prohibited by God, it will also result in many difficulties. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 15 February 2018 at 1:24am
Invention is the answer to difficulties that need to be over come. The divisions that cause competition and conflict are what drives innovation in the West. That is the cause of the sucess of the West. Not being better at prayer. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 15 February 2018 at 5:24am
airmano, Your post is too long (which means that mine will have to be long unfortunately)... some of it fair comment, and some not so fair... and I really did not want this to turn into a 'Current Affairs' debate (wrong forum)... However I shall just touch upon some of your (many) comments. Anyway, I don't recall asking you for any opinions on this occasion, but you are always welcome to comment with me.
Correct. We have needed a 'proper' central authority for centuries in my opinion.
This is so wrong and unfair (and so typical!). Any Muslim has to (and does) condemn and denounce any attacks on any innocent people of any faith. In fact so much so that military action followed in most cases, example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/26/several-killed-in-attack-on-bus-carrying-coptic-christians-in-egypt - Egypt . Now how can you fail to compare this to the complete silence and time-wasting games that the whole (civilised) world is adopting with the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar, where villages are burnt daily (with people still in them), women raped in their hundreds daily, men and boys surrounded and executed on camera (in HD), with hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives...etc (I could go into more details, but I don't think it's appropriate here). Reason for this massacre and genocide: because they are Muslims. BTW Myanmar is not the only place on Earth where this is happening. The atrocities that we are witnessing are only matched by what the Christian missionaries did when they first set foot on the other side of the Atlantic (there was a brilliant youtube video about this, but I can't find it any more... There's a surprise!).
I cannot believe that you have the cheek and guts to even mention the word 'slavery'! With its very limited means at the humble beginnings, Islam started paving the way for abolishing slavery. Christians (and white supremacists in general) enslaved the whole world in a big, horrible way. Islam started by giving slaves rights (when they had no rights elsewhere)... (starting at day zero with Muhammad... to use your own words). And this made Prophet Muhammad even more enemies from amongst the dignitaries of Makka. https://islamqa.info/en/94840 - Read this
Incorrect again... Look at 'Terminology' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery - Here .
I just gave you an example without looking at the video. However your comment made me go and look into this guy (whom I did not know a great deal about), and find out about his case. These are my conclusions: 1) This is a flagrant example of western 'hypocrisy'. Not: Innocent till proven guilty. Not even: Guilty till proven innocent. In this case: GUILTY. PERIOD. 2) this guy's mistake is that he was making too much noise of the wrong kind (i.e defending Islam), at a time when freedom of speech is only for the privileged chosen ones. 3) Very 'dodgy' case. It seems to me that they had to silence him and incarcerate him quickly and indefinitely, and even prevent his wife and kids from contacting him, after a couple of women (?) accused him of sexual assault (years ago... in a hotel room). Whilst Harvey Weinstein and his likes are filmed enjoying high class restaurant meals and parties in total freedom, despite the fact that his list of accusers is quasi endless. hmmm 4) so much for Libert�, �galit�, fraternit�...
Civilisations take turns in Rising and Falling. It's the nature of things since the beginning of human history. My turn yesterday, your turn today, and sure as Hell it will be someone else's turn tomorrow.
Allah gave us the same religion as everyone else before us... and some of us are trying to practice it to the best of our ability... in its pure, unchanged form (unlike those before us). Qur'an: [23:53] فَتَقَطَّعُوا أَمْرَهُمْ بَيْنَهُمْ زُبُرًا كُلُّ حِزْبٍ بِمَا لَدَيْهِمْ فَرِحُونَ But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself. Hadith: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: �Islam began as something strange and will revert to being strange as it began, so give glad tidings to the strangers.� MIAW P.S.: Airmano, please make your posts shorter, some of us have a life! |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 15 February 2018 at 8:13am
I agree. But where are the Islamic nations queing up to take in and help those people? Where are the refugee camps in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan? The only help these poor people seem to be getting is from Western nations setting up such camps and doing the little they can via charities and other NGOs. I will praise the help that Islamic charities in the West are doing as well but the actual Islamic nations seem not to care. |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 15 February 2018 at 2:58pm
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No, it's not. That you don't hear about it in your country doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The (counter-)examples you give are also questionable -at least. A) Egypt: I think this is a very bad example but I promised to make it short. (Please ask for more if you want to know). B) No reaction on the Rohynga tragedy in the west ? I don't know in which part of the world you live but for sure not in Europe. There have been protest marches in many European countries and all the (serious) newspapers are full of it. I think I can judge it since I can read (and speak) English, German, French, Italian and Spanish and I read the news from these countries almost every day. If you wish I can send you a long list of links to the respective articles. Let's do the test: In exchange I would be happy if you could send me some links to renowned newspapers from your country with recent reports on the Christian tragedy (Don't worry about the translation). Ah and by the way: sieving through some articles on the subject I stumbled over http://multicoolty.com/i-dont-believe-in-national-identities/ - this guy (probably a Pakistani). What do you think about http://www.dw.com/en/opinion-muslim-hypocrisy-over-the-rohingya/a-40449691 - this article he wrote on the subject of the Rohyngas ? I'd guess one can't accuse him of cultural bias. ----------------------------------------------------- Slavery: Please inform yourself before you come up with such statements. A good starting point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world - is this , and when it comes to Muhammad I invite you to read about the destiny of the Banu Qurayza - from non-Muslim sources. Also interesting to know that the last countries to abolish slavery were Muslim countries - and only after massive pressure from the West. Ah, and there is even this high ranked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Al-Fawzan - Muslim cleric who considers "Slavery as part of Islam" . Could it be that even Imams do sometimes not grasp "the clear message ?". -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's just the problem. It's not only the video. Checking sources is important! The article you cite in favour of your theory does not at all support your claims ! Or do you want me to think that people that 'hold the ultimate truth' have a rather loose relationship to it ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
First my wording was explicitly "accused", please read again. Secondly, he is accused by Muslim women (only). Does this make it more credible to you ? Thirdly, when it comes to prejudgment: Why do you say "western" and not "your" ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can only agree. But why can you (rightly) see it in the case of civilisations but not for the identical pattern where religions do also come and go ? (most often the two are even synchronized) I'd be very interested in your answer ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I know the Muslim doctrine. Does this include the Neanderthal man ? (This is a serious question !) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To finish: There is absolutely no point in throwing Surahs onto me, it has pretty much the same effect on me as holy water has on you. A bit long again, I'll try to improve ...: Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: jazzyj7
Date Posted: 15 February 2018 at 10:38pm
| Muslims- so in Islam they believe Allah sent Jabril(Angel Gabriel) to Muhammad and that's where he got revelations on islam but the first time you hear about the angel Gabriel in the Bible is with the prophet Daniel. Daniel was before Jesus which means he's way before Muhammad so if the quran doesn't align with the book of Daniel then you can prove it's a imposter angel. The Bible say's satan disguises himself as a angel of light. In Daniel chapter 9 the angel comes to Daniel and gives him a prophecy, the messiah will be cut off, not for himself and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary. Jesus was killed not for himself but for the world and then in 70AD that's when the romans came and destroyed the city and the sanctuary just like the bible says. In Daniel chapter7:13 He gets a vision of one like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven, He was given authority, glory, and soverign power, all nations and people of every language worshipped him and his dominion is a everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will not be destroyed. This is talking about when Jesus returns at his 2nd comeing to rule on earth as king of kings and lord of lords that's when all the nations will "worship him." In the quran this is obviously a conflicting message because they don't believe any man should be worshipped so therefore the angel that Muhammad encountered can not be real angel Gabriel considering Daniel encounterd the angel before him. once again, the Bible says satan disguises himself as a angel of light. In Isaiah it gives you the 5 pointed plan of the devil. 1. I will ascend into heaven 2. I will exalt my throne above the stars of god. 3 I will sit in the mount of congregation in the utter most parts of the north. 4 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds. 5 I will be like the most high. satan wanted to accomplish two things with islam 1. mess up the identity of god. 2. remove the cross which is mans salvation. He has muslims praying 5 times a day to mock them because they are oblivious of his 5 pointed plan to be like the most high. |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 16 February 2018 at 12:25am
Tim the plumber, what you said is true, because Muslims are also commanded to strive for the improvements of his life according to His word, but the difference is that Muslims are forbidden to divide becoming several divisions, it is forbidden by Allah as in His word. Different opinions are allowed in Islam, but divisive is prohibited. I agree that we will not change if only by prayer, but it must be accompanied by efforts, as in His word. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 17 February 2018 at 1:57am
Whilst that attitude, that all will be sorted once we are united, persists the Islamic world will not be able to overcome any problems at all. Only once the attitude changes to "I must solve this problem myself" will the cultural life in Islamic nations get sorted. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 18 February 2018 at 2:18am
I just don't have time for long posts, so I shall try to be as brief as possible. Besides I don't like these (unfair) 'current affairs' debates, because in order to back up any claim, I only have the sources available out there, i.e. world media made, financed and run by biased, anti-islam, anti-religion, islamophobe, anti-god in general and racist individuals or organizations. So it's 'easy' for you (please... no offence meant against you here) to reach out and find writings and articles that will endorse your ideas and claims, but not for me. However, having said this, I do accept this situation, because history has taught me that 'Truth' always has opponents and enemies, and 'Falsehood' always has supporters, the latter ones being usually more in number. I only have to look at stories of Prophets (Peace Be Upon Them All) for examples of this.
Protest marches are good, but swift action is better. And please don't anyone mention to me the lack of action from 'Muslim countries' that are run by remote-controlled puppets trying to cling to power at all cost (hence all the uprisings) [of course without discrediting the efforts and action of some of them]. The Rohyinga genocide is a human tragedy, Full stop.
Cultural bias? Yes definitely. The guy is a proud 'Atheist' (BTW: is that how you would describe yourself?). From his various articles: He hates Islam, Muslims, Islamic culture, and the idea of 'God'. You really need to understand this: Having a Muslim name does not make one a Muslim. I can give you countless examples of 'enemies from within'. He even rejects the idea that this genocide was carried out for religious reasons.
Ok, I have informed myself. From non-Muslim sources. Here are examples of what I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery - Here : - Early Islamic dogma forbade enslavement of free members of Islamic society, including non-Muslims (dhimmis), and set out to improve conditions of human bondage. - Slaves, be they Muslim or those of any other religion, were equal to their fellow practitioners in religious issues. - Slaves played various social and economic roles, from domestic worker to high-ranking positions in the government like Emir - the Zanj Rebellion... was an exception rather than the norm, as the vast majority of labor in the medieval Islamic world consisted of free, paid labour. - The Quran provides for emancipation of a slave as a means of religious atonement for sins. etc... etc... You will find that this compares favorably with any other religion, system...etc. Islam came at time when this 'injustice' was practiced 'normally' all over the world. So it had to treat it carefully and delicately in order to 'kick start' its abolition. I am talking about 'Islam' here, not about the actions of individuals or some rulers. Enough said about 'slavery' don't you think?
Airmano: A word of advice: please change your 'fishing lake'... because you bring too many https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring - Red Herrings to this table.
Really?! First it was (Atheist) 'Shamil Shams', and now it's (nudity-condoning, liberated from Islam) (J'ai choisi d'�tre libre) Henda Ayari! (from the same pot). Is there no limit to your resourcefulness?
I hope that you don't think I was referring to you... I meant the judicial system and the media...etc. Apologies if it came across in a wrong way.
This is more like it... probably the only relevant point worth discussing here. I shall make time for this... soon.
Point taken, but that was not meant for you. MIAW P.S. That's me being brief!... 
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Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 18 February 2018 at 12:26pm
Is this the reason why you keep on presenting all these conspiracy theories and why you can't produce any press articles on the state of religious minorities in your country? Because you have no access to reliable sources to check your claims ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Where was the swift action against the Islamic state ? In the end it were the (rather secular) Kurds doing the job and as a reward they now get battered by another Muslim country. Where was or rather 'is' the swift action to protect Christians, Buddhists and Yazidi against fundamentalist Muslim aggression, may be even in your country ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you distinguish between cultural and religious bias ? Does the fact that he is an Atheist automatically disqualify him ? "Enemies from within:" Is it so that you call (and treat !) people which have another opinion ? Just because he (probabaly rightly) thinks your prophet told a lot of nonsense ? Can you understand that I find this, to say the least, "problematic" ? So yes, can you please prove what you said and give me some examples of "enemies within" ? Last: I think he is right in pointing out that the origin of the conflict is non-religious and that injecting a religious note (as you do) makes it all worse. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slavery: Funny that you cite exactly the same article as the one I gave, apparently you didn't even bother to click it. Well, at least you did some research yourself and I really think that this is encouraging. Now, I guess from a slave's point of view it didn't really matter whether he was abducted by people who believed in the Quran or those who believed in the Bible. The harsh reality of a slave's life was pretty much the same in both cases. That the Zanj rebelled the way they did, speaks for itself, despite your embellishing remarks. And the numbers of slaves taken by Muslims vs. Christians are throughout comparable. In the end, I don't intend to prove that "the west was better". It is rather this boastful thinking you seem to express -Muslims are better- I'm opposing, simply because it doesn't stand up to the facts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
You're a funny chap. On one side you condemn the persecution of the Rohyngas and at the same time you don't even attempt to analyze the first Muslim genocide and slave taking in a serious manner. This just doesn't fit together. That much about "Islam is justice" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41989&PID=214836#214836 - Here you wrote: This is no 'superiority complex'... Islam is a 'clean' and 'very reasonable' way of life, for anyone who abides by its rules and follows its teachings properly. I, for one, am very happy with it, and would like nothing more than to be left alone to practice it as required. I guess that the underlying message of the "left alone" is that someone (the west ?) tries to stop you from doing so. If this is so, maybe we can find a common plan of action: I fight for the freedom of religion in the western world, i.e. the right for Muslims to live their religion, even if this includes heavy beard growth and veiled women and in exchange you fight for the freedom of press in the Muslim world, even if this includes the right to print Mohamed riding on a wild boar ? If I misunderstood the underlying message expressed by your above "left alone" comment, you don't have to reply to this point of course. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 21 February 2018 at 12:03pm
Greetings MIAW, If only that were true. Muslims are missing out on so much by not having the Bible, whereas, I can say, I am missing out on nothing by not having the qur'an. I've read the qur'an. Any good in it, is already in the Bible... but it leaves out so much of the good in the Word of God (i.e., the Bible). asalaam, peace and blessings to you, Caringheart ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 21 February 2018 at 1:23pm
Anything that I can do to preserve human life and dignity, I do it... and I really do it on the field... unlike 'keyboard warriors' like yourself. I am against the persecution or killing of 'any group of people', including Christians, Buddhists and Yazidi. There are bodies of children being pulled out tonight as we speak from rubble in the aftermath of 'Allied' Bombings in Syria... the other day it was Russian bombing... but I don't think to myself: "fundamentalist Christian aggression". I rather think: 'An aggression on innocents' just like any attack using any weapon around the world. People like you, on the other hand, don't give two hoots about Buddhists and (especially) Yazidi... you are only using them as an 'opportunity' to get to your only aim in life: namely 'to attack Islam and muslim values'. That is all you do in all your posts anywhere, you can do that in your 'tabloid newspapers' but not on here. You don't give a toss about any religion or religious groups, you just use them as a means to an end, just like all Atheists. it's just that 'Islam' is your target here.
Lets have a look and see who 'did not even bother to click it': you gave this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world Whereas I quoted from this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery I know that they probably look the same to you, but anybody who bothers to pay attention would see that they are actually different links.
Hardly! You can probably fool people (or yourself), but you cannot fool history (even from non-Muslim sources, as you like to insist upon). keep dreamin' airmano.
Message to Moderators: May I humbly and politely remind you to uphold your own http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4589&FID=30&PR=3" rel="nofollow - Guidelines to this forum please. How much more abuse can we put up with from this type of people. This is an Islamic forum!... people come on here in order to learn about Islam and Islamic answers to various 'life and faith questions', but most of what they find is mis-information and abuse against Islam and Muslims (there's enough of that in the Daily Tabloids) from hateful people hell-bent on distorting the image of Islam. Some of the people on here are Atheists (I have no problems with that... but) who do not want to learn about religions and religious views, their sole purpose in life is to do away with religions (especially Islam... to put it politely). You can see that in their writings and their posts. They spend all their time doing that on websites and news articles, I see it all the time. They insult our religion, symbols, Companions, prophets, Allah...etc. And Islam teaches us not to insult any of theirs (not that they have any). I have no qualms about interfaith debates and exchange of views, or even some argumentation including presentation of evidence... but this is far from it. Some people are only here to upset and provoke any reaction from Muslims. If I went and did the same on their 'websites', I would not last 5 minutes (I would have a lot of abuse hurled at me... and banned for life).. Islam teaches me to live within certain (strict) guidelines, but they have none... MIAW |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 21 February 2018 at 3:00pm
I'm pleased to hear that you try to be a god man. But this was not my question. Could you please try to go back to the subject and reply to my question ? ------------------------------------------------------------ Links on Slavery: Glad you finally opened it -----------------------------------------------------------
If the figures in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade - this and http://www.slaverysite.com/Body/facts%20and%20figures.htm - this article are correct the numbers of slaves 'traded' by the west amounts to an estimate between 11 and 12 millions. Sure, this number is nothing to be proud about, but the Arab slave trade alone (not counting the large additional number taken by the Ottomans and others) is estimated to be between 11.5 and 17 Millions. Search for the word "Legacy" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade - this link . Could you please show your sources of information where you derive your opinion from ? ------------------------------------------------------------ "Mohamed and wild boars": I guess you still haven't understood. Even at the risk of repeating myself: Hardly anybody really cares about Mohamed and his teachings here (and some of those that do, use rather harsh terms to describe him). If there are journalists depicting Mohammed in a way you don't like this is none of your affair, as much your beliefs and praying is none of our business either. Mohamed may be "holy" at your place, but in most of the places in the world he isn't - as difficult as this may be for you to imagine. To give you (my) estimates on how people react on cartoons involving Mahomed here in Europe. 80 percent simply don't care, 10 percent find it funny and 10 percent are disgusted. So what ? But everybody here sees it as a meddling into (our) inner affairs when Muslims go to the street by the millions to protest against it (and some go and kill even the journalists in the name of the religion of peace). I guess you would equally be appalled if the west went out for mass protest marches to make you stop your prayers. It is pretty much as Mohamed would say: You have your culture, we have ours. A bit more tolerance and less excitement on either side would be helpful though. Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 23 February 2018 at 1:03am
Hey, MIAW, test that out. Go to an atheist forum, there are plenty out there, and as long as you don't threaten them with violence or just stream swearing insults, which they will be mildly OK with, you will not be banned. That is if you engage with them, don't lie, don't forget the point that was shown to be the case yesterday etc.. They will treat you as the duck shoot sport of the day. Good luck. If you do can you tell us which one you do it on so we can watch, if would be good entertainment. |
Posted By: Caringheart
Date Posted: 23 February 2018 at 9:38pm
Greetings MIAW, Since you have the 'perfect religion', isn't it your opportunity to convince these people of it? asalaam alaykum, Caringheart p.s. - That's what Christians are expected to do... not to shun, but to take the Word of God to these people that they too may be saved. Christians are to embrace and share with love. Many have come to see the light this way. You should read, or see the movie, The Case For Christ, about how Lee Strobel (and eventually his wife) came from atheism to belief. asaaam alaykum, peace and blessings to you. ------------- Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 25 February 2018 at 1:53am
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...Hardly anybody really cares about Mohamed
and his teachings here ... Nobody is asking you to care about Prophet Muhammad PBUH and his teachings... on the contrary, Muslims have been asking you for years to just leave him alone... Leave him be in his grave. I think that too much hatred in our world today is behind all these islamophobic posts, cartoons, articles...etc.
This is so hypocritical... if, for example, someone came up to you and said: "I am going to depict your wife [or someone else who you care a lot about, like your dead mother] in a way you don't like, without your permission or hers", and when you object it makes them want to do it even more (because that's how sad they are)... [and on top of that, they would say to you: this is none of your business (affair)]. Would you then just 'accept and turn the other cheek'? . Well... that's an example about a person who is dear to only you... imagine if someone did the same thing with a person who is extremely dear to Billions of people, and respected by many more.
Now... this is funny...Are you sure about this?... in your 800 posts on here, you have proven to us that 'Muslim beliefs and praying' are very much YOUR business... your only business in life (However, sadly for you, in a negative and demeaning way). I can just imagine all the special 'files' and 'folders' that you have 'at hand', dedicated to attacking Islam and 'Muslim values'. Don't you have any other interests in life? (hmmm... I guess not).
So let me get this right... You are telling us that, in order to 'entertain' the '10 percent' who find it funny... your friends at Charlie Hebdo and other tabloids were prepared to go as far as 'upsetting' Billions of people from around the world! Did Muslims ever depict anybody in a demeaning and insulting
cartoon? No ... A true Muslim would not even depict anybody in a 'good' context,
let alone in an insulting manner. I guess 'je ne suis pas Charlie'.
Those who went to the streets were pleading with Charlie Hebdo and the likes to stop this 'uncalled for' aggression on their Prophet and symbols... But they were also hoping to prevent any (Muslim) extremists from falling into the trap of reacting to these 'provocations' in their name. As a result (Unfortunately), Atheist Charlie (driven by hatred... not satire) increased their aggression for that exact same reason, i.e. to provoke a reaction from those exact people, and then public opinion would blame 'all Muslims'. [Incidentally... asking provocative questions is something that YOU like to do all the time, just like here: in: http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42178&title=22-this-scripture-no-doubt" rel="nofollow - http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42178&title=22-this-scripture-no-doubt .] Atheists believe that 'Freedom of Expression' is without 'limits'. That is totally wrong. Furthermore, a pen (or pencil) can be more violent than a gun. Because the effect of a gun is limited in terms of both time and number of victims.
Try repeating this in front of a 'mirror' a few hundred times... it's good therapy... and boy do you need it. MIAW |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 25 February 2018 at 2:38am
Odd, I see a lot of Muslims who want the whole world to be Islamic. |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 26 February 2018 at 11:49pm
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Christians are not expected to convince anyone of anything. We are to inform people of the good news, and discuss only when invited. If we are not willingly invited into conversation the prescription is to simply keep moving until we find someone who is willing. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 1:06am
Odd, I see that christians will do anything they can to use any power they can to force their religion onto those who would prefer not to have to deal with it. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/02/we-cant-allow-faith-groups-to-hamper-efforts-to-regulate-supplementary-schools" rel="nofollow - https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/02/we-cant-allow-faith-groups-to-hamper-efforts-to-regulate-supplementary-schools For example. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 3:21am
Islam does not allow 'Forcing' religion onto anyone. Because 'Truth' is clear, and 'Falsehood' (Error) is also clear , and God has given us 'choice' to follow whichever we prefer: Qur'an [2:256]:
Also: If I was to invite someone to Islam, then I am bound by strict guidelines: Qur'an [16:125]:
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Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 9:48pm
I want to straighten out here that Muslims do not want the whole world to be Islamic, because it would be violate God's decrees. Perhaps what you see now that Muslims are getting more in this world that is because of their desire to become Muslims and also God's will. |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 28 February 2018 at 12:55am
So those who leave Islam are not killed by Muslims then? https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/hindu-muslim-pakistan/536238/ History can also be ignored when your know your religion is right and those pesky facts of many many forced conversions in the past are lesser truths thamn your truth. http://www.islamicity.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41989&PID=214976&Type=EmailNotification#214976 |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 28 February 2018 at 1:00am
I see the religion of Islam being deeply threatened by the modern world. I see the backlash against the "logic" of it being expressed in many forms, ISIS to the attitude of Islamic posters here to the resistance of Islamic communities to intergrate with wider western society in western nations. I see this as the last gasp of the religion before it becomes as central to society in Islamic hearts as christianity is to the societies of the West. A tradition and a refuge for those who just can't cope with personal responisibility. This process is being slowed by the impact of Saudi money from oil. Once the world moves on from the age of oil then Islam will be the same as Hinduism. A quaint tradition. |
Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 28 February 2018 at 4:04am
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There are indeed some Christians who are obnoxious proselytizers, and some Muslims who go overboard as well. There are ideologues and atheists who push their secular opinions on everyone too. These are individual problems. Think of these people as an opportunity to increase your tolerance. ------------- Christian; Wesleyan M.Div. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 28 February 2018 at 11:34pm
Well said DavidC. I agree.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 01 March 2018 at 12:08am
@Tim, Nice statement!... Of course the only problem with this statement is that: It's a bit 'rich' coming from you, because You came to us, we didn't come to you... i.e. you came to an Islamic forum trying to 'convince' us of YOUR ideology (to give up religion altogether)... we didn't come to YOUR forum to invite you to anything...  But... having said this (and since you are here)... I would like you to have a look at some of the many, many verses in the Qur'an that describe (some in great detail) what will happen in the Afterlife to those who reject God, Religion (particularly Islam), The Day Of Judgement... etc. Here is an example ... [74:(38-49)]
Seriously, I do have other examples from the Qur'an if you want to have a look. MIAW |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 03 March 2018 at 9:50am
Tim the plumber, I agree with you that "Islam is deeply threatened by the modern world" and even today Islam is facing various forms of slanders, and from those slanders as if Islam is a radical or violent teaching. Personally, I see the attitude and actions of ISIS is not in accordance with the teachings of Islam but as if in the name of Islam, this is one that makes bad image of Islam in the eyes of the world, and it seems there's a conspiracy for political gain, even until today, I still doubt who is the real Al Baghdadi (ISIS leader). Sorry, Islam is not the same as Hinduism as you say. Verily Allah and Prophet Muhammad not only ordered to seek the knowledge of the Hereafter but also the world of science as in His word and some Hadîth saheeh. |
Posted By: debatedebate
Date Posted: 18 March 2018 at 9:59pm
Dear Tim, be afraid, I mean really afraid on whats in store for you for rejecting God..(click on the tafsir by Ibn Abbas, cousin of the last messenger) Then into a chain whose length is seventy cubits insert him (Quran 69 32) http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=69&tAyahNo=32&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2" rel="nofollow - http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=69&tAyahNo=32&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 |
Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 19 March 2018 at 9:17am
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Seems that the Christian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_maiden" rel="nofollow - Iron Maiden is a mere relaxing Jacouzzi compared to these (eternal) medieval methods of torture. As they say: Eternity is quite long, especially towards the end ! Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 19 March 2018 at 9:27am
So living a good honourable life, being honest and true etc are not good enough for this all powerful great god then. Well, you can understand why I am not that impressed with him can't you? |
Posted By: ovibos
Date Posted: 23 March 2018 at 3:06am
Yes, if you do good deeds but you don't believe in the One True God, then your deeds will not bring you to the heaven. Say, [O Muhammad], "Shall we [believers] inform you of the greatest losers as to [their] deeds? [They are] those whose effort is lost in worldly life, while they think that they are doing well in work." Those are the ones who disbelieve in the verses of their Lord and in [their] meeting Him, so their deeds have become worthless; and We will not assign to them on the Day of Resurrection any importance.(Q 18:103-105)If you ask this to the Jews or to the Noahides, I think their answer will be the same. If you do good deeds because you think it's good by your own intelligence, not because God told you to do so, then your deeds are in vain. Sorry. After all, it's Him the sole cause why we are here on earth.
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 25 March 2018 at 6:58am
Can you see why I'll pass on that then? |
Posted By: ovibos
Date Posted: 26 March 2018 at 12:36am
I get an impression that you want a god like "god" in Buddhism (if there's a god in Buddhism). According to Buddhism: If you do good deeds in this life, then you will get good karma in your next life. But the Abrahamic religions (especially Islam and Judaism) are different from Buddhism. The basic tenet in Islam is to believe in One God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth.
How can you get good rewards in the next life if you reject the most fundamental foundation in the religion, that is to believe in the One God? What do you got to lose if you believe in God? To quote Blaise Pascal, "If you gain, you gain all. If you lose, you lose nothing. So, wager then without hesitation, that He exists"
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Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 29 March 2018 at 1:26pm
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Pascal grew up in a Christian environment. What he therefore missed is that being religious does not save you either. You're Christian ? Well then the Muslims (in case Allah exists) will find it normal that you go to hell. Jesus is God ? Well, all Muslims will be toast. Feel free to extend this list. From a purely logical point isn't the safest bet simply to be neutral and say: I don't know ? Airmano ------------- The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter") |
Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 March 2018 at 3:52am
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THE COMFORTER
“The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.” (Quran. 3:19) “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will (Islam) be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”(Matthew 6:9) The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). (Ash-Shura 42:13) It also mentioned in Quran 4:163: We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. 64Of some messengers We have already told thee the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;-. (An-Nisa' 4:163-64)
TWO PERSONALITY (1John.2: 1) “...we have an “advocate (comforter)” with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=1jo+2:1&translation=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=na&sr=1" rel="nofollow -
(John14: 26) “but the comforter which is the holy ghost...” http://classic.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=joh+14%3A26§ion=0&it=kjv&oq=joh%252014%3A26&ot=bhs&nt=na&new=1&nb=joh&ng=14&ncc=14" rel="nofollow -
ONE IN HEAVEN (John 14:16) “…I will pray to the father, and “he” shall give you another comforter that he may abide with you for ever. (John 16:7) “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is expedient for you that I go for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you!” In heaven: (John 3: 13 kjv) “and no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is ‘in’ heaven.” Jesus pbuh was the Son of man “ON” earth and he spoke about “another” Son of man which is “IN” heaven. (Greek: See page 7)
ONE THAT DWELL WITH YOU (John14: 16-17) 17even the spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you. (John14: 26) “But the comforter which is the holy ghost...” (John 1:32) I saw the spirit descending from heaven... and abode upon him.” (Al-Maa'idah 5:110) “…Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word (be), which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from him (roohun minhu)… (Qur’an 4: 171); o! Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember my favour to you and to your mother when i supported you with rooh ul qudus [Jibreel (Gabriel)].” (John. 20:21-22) “...as my father hath sent me, even so I send you (the disciple) and when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said unto them, received ye the holy ghost.” (Qur’an 58:22) thou wilt not find any people who believe in allah and the last day, loving those who oppose allah and his messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. for such he has written faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from himself (roohin-minhu)...”
TRUE PROPHER WITH TRUE SPIRIT: Speak hear: (John 16:13) “…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear” Does spirit speak and hear? (1John 4:1-2) “Beloved, believes not every spirit, but tries the spirits whether they are of god because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 hereby know ye the spirit of god: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of god: “because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;-
SIN RIGHTEOUS: (John.16:8). “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of SIN, and of RIGHTEOUSNESS, and of judgment.” (Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. he was taught by one Mighty in Power. (Q. 29:48) And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power.
JUDGMENT (John.16:8). “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of JUDGMENT.” (Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. (Isaiah 42:1-4) “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth JUDGMENT TO THE GENTILE.” 3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax he shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth. 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has SET JUDGMENT IN THE EARTH: and the isles shall wait for HIS LAW. (Isaiah 42:1-4) (Isaiah 42:9-10) “Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.”(Isaiah 42:9)10-Sing unto the Lord a new song and his praise from the end of the earth… (Isaiah 42:10) (Quran. 21:1-2) Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away. 2Never comes (aught) to them of a renewed message from their Lord, but they listen to it as in jest, (Isaiah 42:11) 11-Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock, let them shout from the top of the mountains. (Genesis 25:13) “And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth…and Kedar...” (Genesis 49:10) “The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shi-loh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people.” ------------- LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES! |
Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 March 2018 at 3:59am
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(Rev. 14:6-7) “And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him FOR JUDGMENT IS COME.” (Q. 25:1) “Blessed is He who sent down the CRITERION (OF JUDGMENT between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur’an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn).” (Q. 13:37) “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a JUDGMENT OF AUTHORITY in Arabic” (Qur’an 2:185) “Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and JUDGMENT (between right and wrong)”. (Isaiah 28:2) “Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty water overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.” (Isaiah 28:25) 26for his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him. (John 16:13) “…for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear” (Q. 53:3-5) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one Mighty in Power. (Isaiah 28:17) 17JUDGMENTS also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of LIES. And the water (people and multitude) shall overflow the hiding place. (Q. 33:21) “Ye have indeed in the Apostle of God a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in God and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of God.” (Isaiah 28:7-9) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lip another tongue will he speak to this people. (Jude 1:14-15) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute JUDGMENT UPON ALL, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Qur’an 34:28) “We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.”. THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN DEUTERONOMY 33: “And he [Moses (pbuh) said: the Lord came from Sinai, and rose from Sir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with “ten thousand Saints”: from his right hand went a “fiery Law” for them.” (Duet. 33:2) (Jude 1:14-15) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To EXECUTE JUDGMENT UPON ALL, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Quran 7:157) "Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper. THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN HABAKKUK 3: …And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Se-lah. His Glory covered the heaven, and the earth was full of his praise. He stood and measured the earth…he beheld and drove asunder the nations…His way are everlasting…at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Thou didst tresh the heathen in anger. Thou wentest forth for Salvation of thy people, even Salvation for the anointed” (Habakkuk. 3:3-13(KJV)) (Genesis 21:21). “AND HE [ISHMAEL PBUH] DWELT IN THE WILDERNESS OF PARAN
THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD IN REVELATION 10: And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven. 2-And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth. 3-And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voice. 4-And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from haven saying unto, seal up those things which the seven thunder utters, and write them not.” Rev.10:1-4 “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound: the mystery of God should finish as he declared to his servants the prophets. (Rev. 10:7) …Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)
THE ADVENT OF MUHAMMAD PBUH IN ISAIAH 29: 12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, read this I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. (Isaiah 29:12 KJV) 1) https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/29/1/t_conc_708012" rel="nofollow - 2) https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/bi12/books/isaiah/29/" rel="nofollow -
Read: In the name of thy Lord who created. Created man from a clot. Read: and thy Lord is the Most Bounteous, Who taught by the pen, Taught man which he knew not. (Q. 96:1-5) Those who fallow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mention in their own (Scriptures), In the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Q. 7:157). And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have doubted. (Q. 29:48) Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty in power. (Q. 53:3-5) (Isaiah 29:14) “Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.” (Matt.21:42) Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. “Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matt. 21:43) https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3xhwukgzc8i6xd/hajj.JPG?dl=0" rel="nofollow - https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3xhwukgzc8i6xd/hajj.JPG?dl=0
ANOTHER MESSAGE TO COME: “I must preach kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent" (Luke 4:43 NKJV) “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”(Matthew 6:9-10) “The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)…But if you deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.” (Quran. 3:19) This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q. 5:3) And he said, whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? (Mark 4:30) “Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, the kingdom of heaven is like to “a grain of mustard seed”, which “A MAN” took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh “a tree”, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches. (Matthew 13:31-32) Now the parable is this: The “seed” is the “word of God”. (Luke 8:11) “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…“Now comes” SALVATION and strength, and THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD…” (Rev. 12:5-10)
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Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 30 March 2018 at 4:01am
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“This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur. 10:37) …So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhammad (S) and the message he brought]. (Q.3:50) Verily this Qur’an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q. 17:9) “O ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you…” (Q. 4:47) People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.” (Q. 5:15) …Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q. 17:81)
The warning from Allah the Most High, He said: “Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,” (Q. 2:159) Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase for them a miserable profit, - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire; Allah will not address them on the Day of Resurrection. Nor purify them: Grievous will be their penalty. (Q. 2:174)
On the Day of Judgment: Then would those who are followed clear themselves of those who follow (them) : They would see the penalty, and all relations between them would be cut off. And those who followed would say: "If only We had one more chance, We would clear ourselves of them, as they have cleared themselves of us." Thus will Allah show them (The fruits of) their deeds as (nothing but) regrets. Nor will there be a way for them out of the Fire. (Qur. 2:162-166) Allah the Most High informs us: “There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q. 3:78) · Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q. 3:71) · People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.” (Q. 5:15) · …So fear Allah, and obey me [Muhamed (S) and the message he brought]. (Q. 3:50) · Verily this Qur’an doith guide to that which is most right. (Q.17:9) · Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel. To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee… (Q. 5:47-48) · Say: “O People of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that comes to us and that which came before (us)…?” (Q. 5:59) Allah the Most High instructs us: “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His path, and who receive guidance.” (Q. 16:125) It is He (God Almighty) who has sent His Messenger [Muhamed (S)] with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) that He may make it prevail over all religions and enough is Allah for a witness. (Q. 48:28) Say: "O my Servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of God: for God forgives all sins: for He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Q. 39:53-54) "Turn ye to our Lord (in repentance) and bow to His (Will), before the Penalty comes on you: after that ye shall not be helped. (Qur. 39:054)
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Posted By: ovibos
Date Posted: 30 March 2018 at 5:15am
That is not the case. According to a Christian member, if you truly love God & love your neighbor you are saved, regardless of what religion you profess. According to the Quran, Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans [before Prophet Muhammad] - those [among them] who believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve. (Q 2:62, 5:69) Even for those christians who worship Jesus, they still have a chance to be forgiven:
According to Pascal, A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up. You must wager (it is not optional). if you take an exam, and you don't know the answer of the question(s), is it wise to leave your paper blank? Especially if it's a multiple choice test? In my opinion, in case you don't know the answer, the best thing you can do is to make a reasonable guess. You should answer it anyway rather than saying that you don't know or leave your paper blank. ------------- God commands justice, doing good, and generosity towards relatives and He forbids what is shameful, blameworthy, and oppressive. He teaches you, so that you may take heed (Quran 16:90) |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 30 March 2018 at 3:27pm
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Peace Zanoo. “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…“Now comes” SALVATION and strength, and THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD…” (Rev. 12:5-10) The angel Gabriel reassured Mary about giving birth to Jesus and he prophesied that He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David. He reign over the House of Jacob forever His Kingdome will never end (Luke 1:32) God is called the Most High God throughout the Bible. The Hebrew word ‘Elyon is translated as Most High, and ’El ‘elyon and ’Elohim ‘elyon are Most High God. Son of the Most High God is a natural alternative name of Jesus (Yeshua‘), the Son of God. The interesting thing about this name is that it was spoken by a demonized man. The man possessed by a legion of demons reacted when Jesus arrived on his side of the lake of Galilee. Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in a loud voice, “What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me.” (Luke 8:28) John’s second quote from the prophet is from https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Isa%206.9-10" rel="nofollow - - Isaiah 7:14 , https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Isaiah%209.6-7" rel="nofollow - , https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Isaiah%2053.4-6" rel="nofollow - - Matthew 17:1-8 ; https://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/John%201.14" rel="nofollow - - Revelation 19:1-21:8 ). After all only Jesus the Messiah can save you, no matter how hard and how long you prostrate to God.
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Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 31 March 2018 at 4:32pm
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Peace maker,
You say “After all only Jesus the Messiah can save you, no matter how hard and how long you prostrate to God.” In the view of Islam, Jesus is a born man, it is just like us, but the difference is that Jesus was born without a father while we were born there are father and mother. Muslims have a principle that God is not born, or given birth even God has no children. Muslim prostrate worship only to God who has created all humans including who created Jesus. All of that goes back to the way of our respective views, whether God who we worship is the same as man or not. Therefore, according to Islam that what can save us is only Allah who is not born, or given birth, even has no children. |
Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 1:42am
Muslims don't agree with this. Allah SWT Tells us in the Qur'an: (Explanation of meaning): "If Jesus PBUH was really a divine being (i.e. a 'god' as Christians say), then can he save himself if Allah Decides to destroy him?" [5:17]
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 2:11am
Are you sure about this? If you worship anyone other than Allah SWT, then you are associating other 'gods/partners' to Allah. [5:73-76]
The jews that verses 2:62 and 5:69 are referring to are those who lived (and believed) during Prophet Moses' PBUH time. As soon as Prophet Jesus PBUH arrived on the scene, Everyone had to renounce Judaism and become a Christian. The Christians that verses 2:62 and 5:69 are referring to are those who lived (and believed) during Prophet Jesus' PBUH time. As soon as Prophet Muhammad PBUH arrived on the scene, Everyone had to renounce Christianity and become a Muslim. http://https://islamqa.info/en/2912" rel="nofollow - http://https://islamqa.info/en/2912 http://https://islamqa.info/en/49048" rel="nofollow - http://https://islamqa.info/en/49048 |
Posted By: asep garut
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 3:23am
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Assalaamu’alaikum,
I want to give a straight line here what is meant by Ovibos maybe: 1. All those who refuse to follow the teachings of their Prophets when their Prophets are still alive until they are willing to follow the teachings of their Prophets, so they still have the opportunity to repent. or 2. After the arrival of the Prophet Muhammad while other Prophets have passed away, then the non-Muslims who immediately repent before their spirits been uprooted, then turned the faith into a worship only to one God (Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) as in Allah's Word. I apologize if what I convey is not clear. Wassalaamu’alaikum. |
Posted By: truthnowcome
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 7:05am
Peace unto you. Nice, "alternative" name! Good opinion! try again! It seems like the Messiah pbuh and God Almighty forgot to informed the disciples of that name? ----------------------------------- You sure John was quoting from Isaiah 9: 9-10 or was Ezekiel 31:11, 32: 12 and 32: 21? Check it and see: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/9/1/t_conc_688006" rel="nofollow - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/9/1/t_conc_688006 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/31/1/t_conc_833011" rel="nofollow - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/31/1/t_conc_833011 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/32/1/t_conc_834012" rel="nofollow - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/32/1/t_conc_834012 https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/32/1/t_conc_834021" rel="nofollow - https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/32/1/t_conc_834021 Br. zainool ------------- LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES! |
Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 7:37am
Pascal's wager is not just that though. If I beleive in the fairies it stops me understanding things in this world in a way which will allow me to use the understanding to achieve stuff. It will demand that i give loads of money to the priest of whichever religoin I choose. Nope, I will leave a good life as I see it and am able to live it. That will have to do for any being that is over seeing the whole of this vast universe of uncountable billions of galaxies and 13.8(?) billion years so far. |
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 01 April 2018 at 7:44pm
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Peace Zanoo. Psalm 110:4 The Lord has sworn and will change His mind:You are priest forever,inthe order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 6:19,20.Wehave this hope as an anchor for the soul,firm and steadfast. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain 20 Wher our forerunner,Jesus, has entered on our behalf.He has become high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ did not glorify himself in becoming high priest, but the one who glorified him was God, who said to him, “You are my Son! Today I have fathered you,” 6 as also in another place God says, “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.” 7 During his earthly life Christ offered both requests and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death and he was heard because of his devotion. John 1:18 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. Hebrews 5:10 He is "called of God an high priest after the order of Melchizedek" Acts 4:10 Then let this be known to all of you and the people of Isreal:It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,whom you cricified but whom God rasied from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. He is the stone the you builders rejected which has become the cornerstone. Salvation exist in no one else,for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. Psalm 118:22 The stone which was rejected Has become the chief corner stone. What do you want more? Lets get this clear and straight.
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