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Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:


Quote The Quran was not from God.

Incorrect. see my much earlier post.

Quote Jesus predicted it long before islam apeared on the screen.


Correct! Prophet Jesus (Isa) PBUH did give gald tidings of another prophet called 'Ahmad' (another name for Muhammad) coming after him. However unfortunately the later church clergy (At a time when the church was the absolute authority) decided to remove this from the Gospel for obvious reasons. The Qur'an informed us of this prophecy of Jesus PBUH:

وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ

[61:6] And remember, 'Isa, the son of Maryam, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said, "This is evident sorcery!"





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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

﴿سورة الذاريات ٤٧﴾ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

[Quran 51:47] We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.

Here Allah is saying Allah created universe and he is expanding it 1400 years ago in Quran, Edwin Hubble discovered this fact in late 1800's,so how could an illiterate man could say such an advanced thing, certainly it was Allah who wrote Quran.     


What do you think Hubble discovered and how was it described in the Koran?

In 1929, US astronomer Edwin Hubble to make observations and see distant galaxies and always moving away from us at high speed. He also saw the distance between galaxies increases every moment. Hubble's discovery showed that the universe is not static as we believed for a long time, but the move expands. This then raises an estimate that the universe began with a huge explosion in the past, called the Big Bang.

Allah says in Quran 21:30

�Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were a joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? �

The verse informs that at the beginning of the earth, the sky, and all the heavenly bodies is one unified, then explode and scattered like what we see now. This proves that the Quran 14 centuries ago has informed about matters relating to science. Nowadays, science is very important for human beings who want to prove the truth of Allah's Word in Quran.

Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) said: �All sky objects move surround the sun in circle tracks.� This is known as the Heliocentric theory which was presented in his book entitled De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, but his theory was perfected by Sir Isaac Newton, a scientist who is enhance the previous theories, and the following is his statement: �Every object in the Universe attracts every other object with a force directed along the line of centers for the two objects that is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separation between the two objects.�

Quran 36:38

�And the sun runs on its orbit, That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.�

This verse has provided information that the sun has an orbit and circulate together with the type of suns beyond our solar system.

Those facts prove that the contents of the Quran is impossible be made by humans or any creatures including the Prophet Muhammad. Quran down to earth around the 14th century, whereas the theory of scientists emerged later, that is around the 18-20 Century.

�Say: � If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur�an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.�� (Qur�an 17:88)


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Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

﴿سورة الذاريات ٤٧﴾ وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

[Quran 51:47] We constructed the universe with power, and We are expanding it.

Here Allah is saying Allah created universe and he is expanding it 1400 years ago in Quran, Edwin Hubble discovered this fact in late 1800's,so how could an illiterate man could say such an advanced thing, certainly it was Allah who wrote Quran.     


What do you think Hubble discovered and how was it described in the Koran?

In 1929, US astronomer Edwin Hubble to make observations and see distant galaxies and always moving away from us at high speed. He also saw the distance between galaxies increases every moment. Hubble's discovery showed that the universe is not static as we believed for a long time, but the move expands. This then raises an estimate that the universe began with a huge explosion in the past, called the Big Bang.

Allah says in Quran 21:30

�Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were a joined together as one united piece, then We parted them? And We have made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? �

The verse informs that at the beginning of the earth, the sky, and all the heavenly bodies is one unified, then explode and scattered like what we see now. This proves that the Quran 14 centuries ago has informed about matters relating to science. Nowadays, science is very important for human beings who want to prove the truth of Allah's Word in Quran.


That in no way describes the Big Bang. The Big Bang happened and there was still no earth. Still no water.

Billions of years went by and then there were stars, galaxies and black holes. These produced the elements other than hydrogen in explosions.

Then more billions of years went by with more explosions and collisions which have resulted in more stars and planets. Only after 9 billion years was there an earth and a sky above it. You kind of have to have something to stand on to have a sky.

Quote Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543) said: �All sky objects move surround the sun in circle tracks.�

If he did he was wrong. Only the planets of the solar system and other things orbiting the sun do that.

Quote This is known as the Heliocentric theory which was presented in his book entitled De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, but his theory was perfected by Sir Isaac Newton, a scientist who is enhance the previous theories, and the following is his statement: �Every object in the Universe attracts every other object with a force directed along the line of centers for the two objects that is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separation between the two objects.�

Quran 36:38

�And the sun runs on its orbit, That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.�

This verse has provided information that the sun has an orbit and circulate together with the type of suns beyond our solar system.

Clearly not. Clearly the Koran was talking from an earth observation point of view and thus was wrong. Also "orbit", I bet he did not use that word.

Quote Those facts prove that the contents of the Quran is impossible be made by humans or any creatures including the Prophet Muhammad. Quran down to earth around the 14th century, whereas the theory of scientists emerged later, that is around the 18-20 Century.

�Say: � If the mankind and the jinn were together to produce the like of this Qur�an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another.�� (Qur�an 17:88)


You can find similar lines in any ancient creation myth and twist them to fit the modern theory of how the universe formed.

Does not make them a decent description of the event though.


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How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ?
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Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:

Originally posted by Tim the plumber Tim the plumber wrote:

 
 


What do you think Hubble discovered and how was it described in the Koran?

That in no way describes the Big Bang. The Big Bang happened and there was still no earth. Still no water.

Billions of years went by and then there were stars, galaxies and black holes. These produced the elements other than hydrogen in explosions.

Then more billions of years went by with more explosions and collisions which have resulted in more stars and planets. Only after 9 billion years was there an earth and a sky above it. You kind of have to have something to stand on to have a sky.

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If he did he was wrong. Only the planets of the solar system and other things orbiting the sun do that.

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Clearly not. Clearly the Koran was talking from an earth observation point of view and thus was wrong. Also "orbit", I bet he did not use that word.

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You can find similar lines in any ancient creation myth and twist them to fit the modern theory of how the universe formed.

Does not make them a decent description of the event though.


The Qur'an is impossible to describe everything in detail, the Qur'an only gives signs of God's power in heavens and earth even in hell and heaven. From there, man with his intellect and science can develop as it is now.

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The statement that closer to what the Qur'an said is the statement from Sir Isaac Newton: "Every object in the Universe attracts all of the objects of a proportionality to its product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separation between the two objects. " not Copernicus)

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"Tajri limustaqarrillaha" means "walking at its circulation" is it not an orbit?

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Well, do all human beings believe in all the investigations of scientists, while among scientists alone are many different statements. This is one proof that humans can not be able to do like deeds of their Lord, because they do only by investigations and experiments.





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Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ?

Even though in Islam there is an order to study science, both about the science of religion and other useful science. But the more precedence is the science of religion where it is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter. All Muslims believe that life in this world is only temporary, the real life is the next life (hereafter). That is one of the reasons that Islam is not so curious in demanding the science of the world or backwardness in the world science. For Muslims, the science of salvation in the hereafter should be obtained soonest because all humans do not know when the death come to pick them up.

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Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:

Originally posted by NABA NABA wrote:

﴿سورة المؤمنون﴾

١٢) وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنْسَانَ مِنْ سُلَالَةٍ مِنْ طِينٍ

١٣) ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَكِينٍ

١٤) ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنْشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ ۚ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ

[Quran Chapter 23]

12. We created man from an extract of clay.

13. Then We made him a seed, in a secure repository.

14. Then We developed the seed into a clot. Then We developed the clot into a lump. Then We developed the lump into bones. Then We clothed the bones with flesh. Then We produced it into another creature. Most Blessed is Allah, the Best of Creators.here in this verse whole human embryo development is mentioned which was discovered by scientists in 1900's,this cannot be said by prophet Muhammad Saw (Pbuh),it was mentioned by Allah


A embrio does not developed from a blood clot, but from "a male cell and a female cell" and God created the first man out of the "dust of the earth" blood clots you get when your blood thickens in your veins.


Where in the above verse do you see it saying: "A embrio does developed from a blood clot"??

These verses that you are commenting on are further proof that Muhammad PBUH was indeed a Prophet and Messenger of Allah. Otherwise how could he have described these stages of foetus development in great detail when there was no scientific knowledge to speak of, no microscopes and when the world was in the dark ages?

Modern scientists from across the world are amazed at the accuracy of the Qur'an in using this precise term 'clot'.

In fact, when women have a miscarriage, that is exactly what they see: a 'clot':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQlQqf3TXCU

https://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/pregnancy-64/early-pregnancy-537/897472-very-confused-miscarriage-blood-clot-advice-please.html

How did Muhammad PBUH know these details? Where did he acquire this detailed knowledge from? Answer: from our Lord Allah SWT.

https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm





So you what you wanted to tell me you take a blood clot to develop a embrio what is this now reversed development?
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Originally posted by MIAW MIAW wrote:

Originally posted by Peace maker Peace maker wrote:


Quote The Quran was not from God.

Incorrect. see my much earlier post.

Quote Jesus predicted it long before islam apeared on the screen.


Correct! Prophet Jesus (Isa) PBUH did give gald tidings of another prophet called 'Ahmad' (another name for Muhammad) coming after him. However unfortunately the later church clergy (At a time when the church was the absolute authority) decided to remove this from the Gospel for obvious reasons. The Qur'an informed us of this prophecy of Jesus PBUH:

وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ

[61:6] And remember, 'Isa, the son of Maryam, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said, "This is evident sorcery!"




The Quran wasn't and never will be from God it was writen by human hands and tell me why did Uthman burn the other 25 Qurans how did he picked one out of 25 to be the word of God why didn't the first Quran apeared to be the word of God if it it was so perfect?
Jesus never predicted anything about any prophet after him and not even mentioned Ahmad in the bible and clerics haven't removed your so called Ahmad from the bible if the late so clerics removed it from the bible then someone must have removed it from the original codex of the bible also, so bring your evidence.
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