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asep garut
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Airmano, Many Moslem scholars differ on this issue, much less you. Opinions about the miracle of the Qur'an in various countries there will be differences, including the Moslem community in my own country a lot of differences. But there is far more important that is how to believe and carry out all the commands of their Lord. |
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Peace maker
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Assep Garut this is what Prophet Muhammad said and you mustn't question cause it was the truth.
In a Hadith narrated by Fatima bint Qays, Prophet Muhammad once gathered the Muslims in the mosque after prayer and told them a story about the Dajjal being chained in a remote Island in the East. In our opinion, if this Hadith is authentic, the Dajjal in this story could be the last Dajjal. Prophet Muhammad said: "I have kept you here because Tamim Ad-Dari, a Christian man who has embraced Islam, told me something which agrees with what I have told you about the Dajjal. He told me that he had sailed in a ship with thirty men from Banu Lakham and Banu Juzam. The sea waves rocked them about for a month, and finally drew them toward an island around sunset time. They approached the island and landed. They were met by a beast that was so hairy that they could not tell its front from its back. They said: 'Woe to you! Who are you?' It said: 'I am Al-Jassasah.' They said: 'What is Al-Jassasah?' It said: 'O people, go to the man in the monastery, for he is very eager to know about you.� Tamim said that when it named a person to us we left quickly fearing that it might be a devil. Tamim Dari said we quickly went to the monastery. There, we found a huge man whom we had never seen before. His hands were tied up to his neck and his legs tied up with with iron shackles. We said: 'Woe to you, who are you?' He said: 'You will soon know about me. Tell me who you are.' We said: 'We are people from Arabia. We sailed on a ship, but the waves have been tossing us around about for a month, and they brought us to your island, where we met a very hairy beast. It said: 'I am Al-Jassasah.' We asked: 'What is Al-Jassasah?' and it told us: 'Go to the man in the monastery, for he is very eager to know about you.' So we came to you quickly. The Dajjal And His Mule. Muslim Scholar Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair Ali says of the Dajjal, � He will travel at great speeds and his means of conveyance will be a giant mule� He will travel the entire world.� 9 As strange as this is, it also bears a faint resemblance to Jesus the Messiah who also rode a donkey as he entered Jerusalem during the final week of his ministry Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) said, �I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.� Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ��red complexioned, fat, curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.� (Bukhari) According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr (disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these letters. It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles |
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airmano
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It is a bit what I feared. In my eyes you adapt what you count (and what you don't count) to make the result such that you arrive exactly at the same occurence for "Satan" in the Quran as there are "angels" (88 times according to you). Calling this a miracle is, well... try to give it a name yourself. I can't help it, it is unfortunately fully in line with all the other "quranic miracles" I have seen so far (Iron being send down, embryology, mountains as pegs, the Big Bang and so on) . Ah, and why 88 ? Would you have any idea why it should be 88 and not 77 or 96 ? Airmano Edited by airmano - 04 February 2018 at 2:56am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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asep garut
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Peace maker, As we know that in this world, many human beings have different opinion about their God, but for Muslims, God is only one and has no children as in His word. You are saying: "Allah will not protected you from the onslaught dajjal cause that was a fairy tale story which muslims solemely accepted as a revelation of Allah the Mahdi the muslim Messiah which is a myth." It doesn't matter if you think that the dajjal's attack is a fairy tale of Muslims or anything you want to say, but I am more confident in the word of Allah and Prophet Muhammad than any other statements. Thanks to Allah that I've been given the knowledge to see that in the future there will be several wars, and among these wars there will be two great wars. |
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In Islam, al-Uzza,al-Lat, and Manah are good people, but because of the human beings natures that tends to adore someone with exaggeration, then when they die it is considered the children of God. You say good people in fact historical evidence declared that they were daughters of Allah three imaginary idols sand stone soulless idols and you said they are good people. Allah will not protected you from the onslaught dajjal cause that was a fairy tale story which muslims solemely accepted as a revelation of Allah so there will not be any dajjal like the so called Mahdi the muslim Messiah which is a myth. Edited by icforumadmin - 31 January 2018 at 9:34pm |
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Peace maker, If you believe that God has a son, and believes in both the Old and New Testaments declare, that's your belief, and that's your choice, but for Muslims is different, God is one, as the word of Allah in Qur'an 112: 1-4, another verse is the Qur'an 21:92. In Islam, al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manah are good people, but because of the human beings natures that tends to adore someone with exaggeration, then when they die it is considered the children of God. In the teachings of Islam, if God has children then chances are also will have grandchildren and so on. Then about the throne in Jerusalem, it is true because there is the throne of the Prophet David and Prophet Solomon, perhaps here should be able to distinguish between the throne (identical with wealth) with the grace and protection of God. Ka'ba is not actually an idols worshiped by Muslims, but a place to unite the direction of Muslims when praying. Indeed in Mecca and Medina there is no throne like the relics of Prophet David and Prophet Solomon, but Mecca and Medina are two places which is blessed and protected by Allah including from the onslaught of dajjal and his troops, while Jerusalem and all other places in this world will be trampled by dajjal. |
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Airmano, In deciphering the word devil doesn't mean to be written exactly like "devil" or "الشيطان" but in the implicit sense too, that's what I use. not only you, many Islamic scientists who deepen it, but the result is not necessarily the same. You said: �Could it be that -in your logic- you count the word "Satan" twice in this sentence (1 "Satan" + 1 "he") ?� Yes, one of them is like that. The following is the word of Allah that backgrounds me in calculating: �And indeed We have set forth for mankind, in this Qur�an every kind of parable. But if you (O Muhammad) bring to them any sign or proof (as an evidence for the truth of your Prophethood), the disbelievers are sure to say: �You follow nothing but falsehood, and magic.� (30:58) And my second attempt is to pray in every last prostration when praying tahajjud: �Ya Allah, Ya �Alimu, a�limna ma la na�lam. Ameen� (O Allah, the Most Knowing, give me knowledge of what I don't know. ameen.) And with the permission of Allah, it will open my eyesight, both my eyes and my spiritual eyes. That's the keys I use. |
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@Asep
May be it slipped off your radar screen... Can you try to take position to my comment on page 2 of this thread ? Thanx: Airmano Edited by airmano - 21 January 2018 at 9:14am |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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