Works VS Faith

Saved wrote: I too have respect for your beliefs. I am just in dialogue and in search of someone who knows something I don't about the one and only True God.

Dear brother, it is really good to know your purpose of search about "one and only Ture God"

Saved wrote: Also keep in mind, that the topic of my thread is "Works vs Faith. IMO, according to Scripture Works will always lose to faith" because without faith it is impossible to please God. When we truly have faith, it will most assuredly show by our works, but the person that depends on works over faith will find they have come short of the glory of God.

I fully agree with you within the commonly understood meaning of faith (ie a belief on God). But then there is something more to it where people who don't have a faith has some form of faith and we call them atheists. So, in essence, even their works are also based on their own defined faith or whatever they call it eg universal humanism etc. Thus, your question is kind of redundant when I summarize that all Works are faith based, and there is hardly anyone who can disagree with you. But was it really that you wanted to ask? I don't think so.
What is important to know is how can one assure salvation in the life hereafter? Through Work or Faith? To answer this question, IMHO, Being a Muslims (ie Faith) is essential or necessary, but not a sufficient condition and Neither are the Good works. The assurance of Salvation is only through the HOPE in gaining the Mercy of God=Allah by being always repenting upon his bad works=sins. The Mercy of Allah is only for those who are humble (and not arrogant) and ask forgiveness of their sins till their last breath on this earth.

Saved wrote: I believe God loves all of us and wants us to come to the knowledge of Truth. Jesus said: "I am the Truth..." Regards, Al

Yes, my brother!! It is exactly for this reason for the knowledge of Truth, that I may ask you to walk us through the historical evolution of Biblical books, that you of course quote them as the ultimate source of Truth whereby looking at their authenticity as original containing divinely inspired message. Can you name any single book including both OT and NT (other than of St Paul) that contain 100% original message without doubt, as per your own research and within your understanding of your own faith?
Best regards

Edited by AhmadJoyia - 18 November 2016 at 1:01pm

NABA wrote: Well the whole Quran urges us to do good always,but these 4 verses always keep me on my toes to do good,Allah in ch 103 v 1-4 of Quran says with token of time man is in state of loss except those who have faith,do good deeds,resort people to truth,resort people to patience and perseverance.

I believe people who receive the justice of God will be casted into the lake of fire. We need His mercy and to get his mercy we have to meet God on His terms not ours.
Deeds cannot save anyone nor are they the condition or terms that lead to salvation.
As I had mentioned, it is not what we do for God that counts; it is what He does in and through us that constitutes the mercy and grace of God mixed with our faith. If these conditions are not met, there will be no paradise.



Edited by Saved - 18 November 2016 at 9:46am

Well the whole Quran urges us to do good always,but these 4 verses always keep me on my toes to do good,Allah in ch 103 v 1-4 of Quran says with token of time man is in state of loss except those who have faith,do good deeds,resort people to truth,resort people to patience and perseverance.

asep48garut60 wrote: Dear Saved, What I told to you about the convoluted does not mean I am humbled you, but because there is the answer you don�t focus on my question, even replied by question. There's nothing at all to guide you even offend you, but I only spoke about the word of Allah in the Quran. If so, I apologize if it's not pleasing to you. Regards, Asep

Dear Asep:

I agree that there's nothing at all to guide me or offend me concerning the Quran from what you have told me thus far.

It is not that the word of the Quran displeases me. The point is you appear to be using the Scripture of the Quran to judge me based on my not answering your questions and on my questions and comments to you.

The truth is I didn't understand one of your questions and you don't appear to understand my questions and comments either. So, I keep trying to communicate with you although you are very slow to reply.

One of the big differences between Islam and Christianity is that when it comes to salvation, Islam is more a works based religion and Christianity is more faith based.

To be honest with you, I don't trust my works to always be good and even if they were, I know it would never merit me salvation.

Peace,
Saved

Edited by Saved - 16 November 2016 at 6:35pm