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 Posted: 16 November 2019 at 12:50pm |
@Asep Garutea
"I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details"
But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Posted: 20 November 2019 at 10:59am |
 airmano wrote:
... But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
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I think you're right!! I've just checked the Holy Qur'an, but couldn't find any detailed explanation of aerodynamics... nor could I find detailed explanation about the 4 fundamental forces, fundamental particles, quarks, the periodic table, the main differences between a slug and a snail, or between a duck and a goose!... not even the main differences between a Boeing 787 and a Concorde! 
However, I did come across some verses about a group of (typical and representative) atheists (disbelievers) who would 'demand' a list of 'ridiculous' conditions in order to believe... with no intention of ever believing anyway:
Qur'an [17:90-96]
And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring. [90] Or [until] you have a garden of palm trees and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and abundance] [91] Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us] [92] Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" [93] And what prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them except that they said, "Has Allah sent a human messenger?" [94] Say, "If there were upon the earth angels walking securely, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger." [95] Say, "Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you. Indeed he is ever, concerning His servants, Acquainted and Seeing." [96]
The verses are talking about the rulers (big bosses) of Mecca as they spoke to the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad PBUH, but they are typical of disbelievers throughout the history of mankind.
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Posted: 21 November 2019 at 2:25am |
| Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you. |
Not for me. For me I do need something like the other stuff. I need some evidence to know why your particular profet is better than all the rest of them.
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Posted: 21 November 2019 at 8:54am |
airmano wrote:
@Asep Garutea
"I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details"
But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
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That's what I have said that if the Quran explains in detail, then: 1. Humans who have been given the brain to think and examine it so that it can be known about aerodynamics, etc. 2. Can we imagine if the Quran explains in detail, then the Quran will be as thick as what? In addition, it will be useless for humans who are given a brain but cannot be used for thinking.
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Posted: 25 November 2019 at 2:26pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
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Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
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Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
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The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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Posted: 25 November 2019 at 11:18pm |
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Posted: 26 November 2019 at 4:00pm |
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married.
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Posted: 27 November 2019 at 5:27pm |
Peace maker wrote:
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Peace maker wrote:
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Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
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Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
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Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
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Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
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The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
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