Quran is the Evidence for the Prophet.
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Topic: Quran is the Evidence for the Prophet.
Posted By: saeedalyousuf
Subject: Quran is the Evidence for the Prophet.
Date Posted: 10 April 2016 at 10:48am
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
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If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad:
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Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 14 April 2016 at 4:21am
We had http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34457&PN=1 - 53 pages of discussion about this alleged miracle.
Nobody could ever produce a binding list of criterias which would allow to compare [the Quran] to other texts or scriptures.
As long as this is not done, I consider all claims about the "divine uniqueness" of the Quran as non receivable.
To finish: I am also putting up the challenge that you will never be able to do so, and certainly not in the 1400 years to come.
Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Posted By: saeedalyousuf
Date Posted: 03 November 2019 at 10:14pm
The challenge means that the correct and complete implementation of the Quranic guidance qualifies for the response from the creator and hence can face the greatest challenge from the opponents, just as prophet Muhammad did. He, almost alone, did confront all of the opponents in the world and the Muslims, who were the most backward people , did become the masters of the world.
Today, the quranic challenge most probably, is in the concept of monotheism and in standing the challenge of time where the other scriptures have balatantly failed and give rise to growth and spread of atheism instead.
Saeed H H Alyousuf
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 08 November 2019 at 11:55am
 saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 08 November 2019 at 10:11pm
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
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Posted By: DavidC
Date Posted: 09 November 2019 at 4:43am
If you wish to learn about Muhummad I strongly recommend Martin Lings biography. Lings draws only from hadith, which he weaves into an excellent narrative. The hadith are fully referenced, so it is a scholarly reference as well as an engaging biography.
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Christian; Wesleyan M.Div.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 09 November 2019 at 1:24pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
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Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 09 November 2019 at 7:19pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 10 November 2019 at 2:41am
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What did Muhammad say about the embryo?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 10 November 2019 at 5:21pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
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Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 November 2019 at 8:38pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 11 November 2019 at 11:16pm
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Tim the plumber wrote:
What did Muhammad say about the embryo?
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Prophet Muhammad PBUH only conveyed to us what Allah SWT (God) Told us in the Qur'an: The accurate stages of human embryo development... something that has only (fairly) recently been discovered by Science.
https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm" rel="nofollow - https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm
https://scienceislam.com/quran_human_embryonic_development.php" rel="nofollow - https://scienceislam.com/quran_human_embryonic_development.php
How did Prophet Muhammad PBUH know these scientific details when he could not even read or write... let alone know about modern microscopic science? Where did he acquire this detailed knowledge from? Answer: from The Lord Allah SWT.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 13 November 2019 at 8:03pm
Tim the plumber wrote:
What did Muhammad say about the embryo?
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The Prophet Muhammad didn't know how humans were created, event by event. But with the Quran he can provide information about the embryo to the human race. In modern times like today, this can be proven with medical science, for example: The statement of Keith L. Moore, Ph.D., F.I.A.C. about Embryology in the Quran. He did a lot of research and he was surprised by the contents of the Quran which informs knowledge of the embryo since the 7th century. In 1981, Moore said, “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify some statements in Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God (Allah), because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a Messenger of Allah."
In the Qur'an, Allah informs humans that the embryo is covered by 3 veils of darkness. ۗ يَخْلُقُكُمْ فِيْ بُطُوْنِ اُمَّهٰتِكُمْ خَلْقًا مِّنْۢ بَعْدِ خَلْقٍ فِيْ ظُلُمٰتٍ ثَلٰثٍ ۗ "He (Allah) makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." (The Quran 39:6)
"The three veils of darkness" may refer to: l. The anterior abdominal wall; 2. The uterine wall; and 3. The amniochorionic membrane.
This can prove that the Quran really came from Allah, as well as to provide "ilham" (intuition) to humanity in the development of their knowledge.
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 14 November 2019 at 11:31am
| He (Allah) makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. |
Could refer to almost anything if you twist it enough.
Do you have any better more definative statements from the Koran which detail anything which could have been wrong about the human pregnacy process?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 15 November 2019 at 8:36am
Tim the plumber wrote:
| He (Allah) makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. |
Could refer to almost anything if you twist it enough.
Do you have any better more definative statements from the Koran which detail anything which could have been wrong about the human pregnacy process?
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I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details, because it is humans who reveal it through various studies. Besides humans have been given brain, we can also imagine if each verse explains in detail, how thick the Qoran will be.
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 15 November 2019 at 12:11pm
asep garutea wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
| He (Allah) makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness. |
Could refer to almost anything if you twist it enough.
Do you have any better more definative statements from the Koran which detail anything which could have been wrong about the human pregnacy process?
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I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details, because it is humans who reveal it through various studies. Besides humans have been given brain, we can also imagine if each verse explains in detail, how thick the Qoran will be.
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Er............
So if as a result of that studying we find results that show the Koran to be wrong what happens?
Given that the flow of the ocean's currents go all around the world and don't respect at all the various names we give each bit of them.
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Posted By: airmano
Date Posted: 16 November 2019 at 12:50pm
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@Asep Garutea
"I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details"
But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 20 November 2019 at 10:59am
airmano wrote:
... But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
Airmano
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I think you're right!! I've just checked the Holy Qur'an, but couldn't find any detailed explanation of aerodynamics... nor could I find detailed explanation about the 4 fundamental forces, fundamental particles, quarks, the periodic table, the main differences between a slug and a snail, or between a duck and a goose!... not even the main differences between a Boeing 787 and a Concorde! 
However, I did come across some verses about a group of (typical and representative) atheists (disbelievers) who would 'demand' a list of 'ridiculous' conditions in order to believe... with no intention of ever believing anyway:
Qur'an [17:90-96]
And they say, "We will not believe you until you break open for us from the ground a spring. [90] Or [until] you have a garden of palm trees and grapes and make rivers gush forth within them in force [and abundance] [91] Or you make the heaven fall upon us in fragments as you have claimed or you bring Allah and the angels before [us] [92] Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?" [93] And what prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them except that they said, "Has Allah sent a human messenger?" [94] Say, "If there were upon the earth angels walking securely, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger." [95] Say, "Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you. Indeed he is ever, concerning His servants, Acquainted and Seeing." [96]
The verses are talking about the rulers (big bosses) of Mecca as they spoke to the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad PBUH, but they are typical of disbelievers throughout the history of mankind.
The story is related here: http://www.alim.org/library/quran/AlQuran-tafsir/TIK/17/90" rel="nofollow - http://www.alim.org/library/quran/AlQuran-tafsir/TIK/17/90
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 21 November 2019 at 2:25am
| Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you. |
Not for me. For me I do need something like the other stuff. I need some evidence to know why your particular profet is better than all the rest of them.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 21 November 2019 at 8:54am
airmano wrote:
@Asep Garutea
"I have already said that the Qoran only provides information such as intuition, so it does not explain in details"
But that's exactly the problem.
It is only when a claim is detailed that it allows to decide regarding its precise meaning and its correctness.
The Quran does by no means fulfill this condition (as you even admit yourself) in any of these miracle claims I've seen.
Writing *Birds can fly" does simply not prove that the writer has a sound knowledge in aerodynamics...
Airmano
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That's what I have said that if the Quran explains in detail, then: 1. Humans who have been given the brain to think and examine it so that it can be known about aerodynamics, etc. 2. Can we imagine if the Quran explains in detail, then the Quran will be as thick as what? In addition, it will be useless for humans who are given a brain but cannot be used for thinking.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 25 November 2019 at 2:26pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
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Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
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Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
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The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 25 November 2019 at 11:18pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 26 November 2019 at 4:00pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
|
You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 27 November 2019 at 5:27pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
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If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
|
Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 28 November 2019 at 5:45pm
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Peace maker wrote:
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saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
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If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
|
You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
|
Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
|
So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies. Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.
Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it
or subtract from it.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a
liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words
of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of
this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book. 20He who testifies to these
things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…
So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 02 December 2019 at 8:33pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
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If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
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So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies. Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.
Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it
or subtract from it.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a
liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words
of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of
this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book. 20He who testifies to these
things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…
So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed. |
You said: (So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies.)
Answer: I want to ask you if when you want to know the truth about something, do you want to search directly its source or just hear from what people say? people who are careful of an information will certainly look for authentic sources followed by other supporting data.
You said: (Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.)
Answer: That is your opinion who does not like the Apostolic Muhammad whose duties are the same as the other Apostles (including Jesus), namely inviting humans to worship Allah who has created the universe, including created you.
You said: (Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah. Deuteronomy 4:2 You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you. Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it. Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.)
Answer: Are Deuteronomy 4: 2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30: 6 addressed to the Prophet Muhammad? those words of God was addressed to the scribes, because at that time the Prophet Muhammad was not yet born.
(Revelation 22:19 20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Jesus will come at the end of the age in which one of his tasks is to invite people to worship only to one God (Tawhid), that is Allah who created the Prophet Jesus.
You said: (So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed.)
Answer: You will prove by yourself when you are dead (in the hereafter) that all the Prophets /Apostles including Jesus will confirm that they are all human beings who are commanded to worship only to Allah who has created them.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 December 2019 at 6:27pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
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If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
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If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
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The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
|
You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
|
Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
|
So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies. Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.
Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it
or subtract from it.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a
liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words
of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of
this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book. 20He who testifies to these
things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…
So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed. |
You said: (So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies.)
Answer: I want to ask you if when you want to know the truth about something, do you want to search directly its source or just hear from what people say? people who are careful of an information will certainly look for authentic sources followed by other supporting data.
You said: (Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.)
Answer: That is your opinion who does not like the Apostolic Muhammad whose duties are the same as the other Apostles (including Jesus), namely inviting humans to worship Allah who has created the universe, including created you.
You said: (Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah. Deuteronomy 4:2 You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you. Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it. Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.)
Answer: Are Deuteronomy 4: 2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30: 6 addressed to the Prophet Muhammad? those words of God was addressed to the scribes, because at that time the Prophet Muhammad was not yet born.
(Revelation 22:19 20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Jesus will come at the end of the age in which one of his tasks is to invite people to worship only to one God (Tawhid), that is Allah who created the Prophet Jesus.
You said: (So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed.)
Answer: You will prove by yourself when you are dead (in the hereafter) that all the Prophets /Apostles including Jesus will confirm that they are all human beings who are commanded to worship only to Allah who has created them.
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You thinks God's last words came through Muhammad then you fallen far out of the bus. Let me educate you again that God send his Son as his final decision.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; You can't chance God's words you can do what ever you want to it will not and shall not change
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 07 December 2019 at 2:45am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
saeedalyousuf wrote:
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ?
Short elaboration would be nice.
Cheers
John
Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the crediblity of the prophet Muhammad:
Surah Al-Israa Ruku 10 Surah 17
88 Say: Verily, though mankind and the Jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another.
M. Pickthall Quran Translation
Saeed H H Alyousuf
Source(s): THE MEANING OF THE GLORIOUS QURAN
By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall
Anonymous saeedalyousuf � 3 years ago
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw%20" rel="nofollow - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130608033430AAebzSw
If Mohammed were alive today, would you trust him ? Best Answer: The standing challenge of the Qur'an for about fourteen hundred years is the testimony for the credibility of the prophet Muhammad: |
Muhammad was not a prophet or a apostle of any sort of kind cause a prophet knows the bible old and new testament Muhammad only started a cult of islam which has got nothing to do with God. |
I say to you, it's up to you whether you want to believe or not about the apostleship of Muhammad. Later when you deal with angels who will take your life, Allah will show what you have done in the world including that the Prophets and Apostles are Islam.
|
Muhammad was not Apostle on Jesus ordained Apostle and he was not a prophet.
This proofs Muhammad was a false prophet all the time.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express
image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he
had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on
high:
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by
inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art
my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father,
and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the
world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,
and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever
and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above
thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation
of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall
wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall
be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my
right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to
minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? So you can do what ever you want to promote Islam, Jesus was and is still God's final word.
|
If the Prophet Muhammad was a false prophet, why could he convey things that did not exist in the previous books ?, such as verses relating to the embryo, etc. Did Prophet Muhammad fabricate by himself ?, whereas at that time there was no medical technology.
If Jesus was and is still God's final word. Is there statements in the Gospels about something that has not been discovered by humanity? Are we Jews? Jesus himself said that he was sent only to Jews.
|
Everything in Quran is a lie from your cult leader and there is scientific miracles in the Quran I have no compassion for cult leaders and their books of lies, today there is many cults who misuses God's word for there own word of lies and promisses and for there own benifits to became rich and famous and thats exactly what Muhammad did he wanted all the fame and glory everything was just concetrated around his own well fare and self image. Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims. |
He..he .., Peace maker, It's up to you, if you want to make a bad comment about the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad with words that are more spicy than you said, because I believe that words are a description of one's heart and mind. According to psychology, personal words that come out of his mouth is a picture of his heart and mind. You hate the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, but Allah will show His power to you.
You said: Thats why he said Allah and his angels prayed for him to seek fame and glory from the muslims.
Answer: Has been answered before.
|
The Quran and the Hadiths has got huge Scientific miracles of Allah you must read everything or else you will miss something.
Islam’s account of creation is a wee bit less credible and a
touch less consistent. Tabari I:188 “Jews came to the Prophet and asked him
about the creationof the heavens and the earth. [Allah didn’t bother to explain
our beginnings in his Qur’an so Muhammad felt obliged to help him out.] He
said, ‘Allah created the earth onSunday and Monday. He created the mountains
and the uses they possess on Tuesday. OnWednesday He created trees, water,
cities and the cultivated and barren land. On Thursday,He created heaven. On
Friday, He created stars, the sun, moon, and angels, until three hours
remained. In the first of these three hours, He created the terms, who wouldlive
and who would die. In the second, He cast harm upon everything that is useful
formankind. And in the third, Adam, and had him dwell in Paradise.
But as strange as all that seems, why did the prophet of the
all-knowing Allah contradict himself in the next passage? Tabari I:189 “The
Messenger took me by the hand and said, ‘Allah created soil on Saturday. Upon
it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Wednesday,
scattered animals on Thursday, and made Adam as the last of His creatures after
the afternoon prayer on Friday.’” Allah begins on Saturday rather than Sunday
and Monday. After taking a much-needed rest on Tuesday, he forgot the cities,
water, and cultivation and dispenses with the creation of the sun, moon, and
stars, as well as paradise. Then Allah
creates man after the afternoon prayer. So, who was praying and to whom?
Tabari I:189 “The Jews asked the Prophet, ‘What about
Sunday?’ The Messenger answered,‘On it, Allah created the earth and spread it
out.’ They asked about Monday, and he replied: ‘On it He created Adam.’” So much for the afternoon prayer. “Then
they asked about Saturday and mentioned God’s resting on it. Then the Prophet
got very angry so Allah then revealed to him: ‘We have created the heavens and
the earth and what is between them in six days and fatigue did not touch Us.’”
This became Qur’an 50:38.
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You said: "you will miss something" What will loss from me?
Who made Tabari I: 188 and 189 ?
If you want to judge the validity of a hadith, then there are at least three ways you should know:
1. "Rawi", Namely people who narrated the hadith, such as Bukhari, Muslim, Timidzi etc.
2. "Sanad", Namely the person who delivered the hadith, whether he lived in the time of the Prophet Muhammad or not, like Abu Hurairah, Ibn Abbas etc.
3. "Matan", That is whether a hadith is correlated or similar in meaning to the Qur'an or not.
Like the example below. Narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurairah that Rasulullah held my hand and said, "Allah ta'ala has created land on Saturday, created on earth the mountains on Sunday, created trees on Monday, created what was disliked on Tuesday, created light on Wednesday, spreading animals on earth on Thursday, creating Adam on Friday after Asr which is the end of creation at the end of time from Friday times, ie between Asr and Night."
Some Jews believe that Allah ta'ala created the heavens and the earth on Friday and rested on Saturday. They assume that Allah is exhausted after creating the heavens and the earth so that He needs a rest, whereas, the Most Holy of Allah for what they have accused. And Allah refutes their words with His words:
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْاَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا فِيْ سِتَّةِ اَيَّامٍ ۖ وَّمَا مَسَّنَا مِنْ لُّغُوْبٍ
"And truly, I have created heavens and earth and what existed between the two in six periods, and I did not feel tired in the slightest." (Qaf 50: 38)
There are even several other verses in the Qur'an about the creation of heavens and earth.
Conclusion: If I notice that you are looking for the weaknesses of the Qur'an and the hadith, while my question is hidden with other topics of conversation.
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Al-Tabari was a Imam rightly guided follower of Muhammad may Allah be pleased with him by promoting Muhammad,Allah and Islam. Ibn Mujahid replied that he did not think that there was any
other human being in the world who could read theQur'an as well as Tabari. Tabari
appears never to have married. |
Ath-Tabari is a Muslim historian from Persia, born in the Amol or Amuli region of Thabaristan. His full name is Abu Ja'far Muhammad ibn Jarir ibn Yazid ibn Kathir ibn Ghalib al-Amali ath-Tabari. He is known as Ibn Jarir or ath-Tabari. Born: 839 AD in Amol, Iran Died: 923 AD in Baghdad, Iraq. He is known as a Muslim historian. Ath-Tabari was born in 839 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Tabari was born after the Prophet Muhammad died 207 years.
As for Al-Imam Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Qusyairi an-Naisaburi (nickname for Imam Muslim). Born in 821 AD (earlier than Ath-Tabari). Imam Muslim, besides as a Muslim Historian, he is also well known as a collector of shahih (authentic) hadiths such as Al-Bukhari.
As for Abu Hurairah, he is alive at the time of the Prophet Muhammad. He is a famous Companion of the Prophet Muhammad and is the most commonly mentioned narrator in his Isnad by Muslims ummah. He was born in 598 AD, while the Prophet Muhammad died in 632 AD. It means that Abu Hurairah lived during the time the Prophet Muhammad was still alive.
Therefore, if you want to know the validity of a hadith, I have told you, please use it in 3 ways, namely: Rawi, Sanad, and Matan. May Allah Ta'ala gives you the ability to study the Quran and Sahih Hadiths, and give His guidance to you. Aameen.
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So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies. Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.
Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah.
Deuteronomy 4:2
You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it
or subtract from it.
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a
liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words
of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the
plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of
this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in
the holy city, which are described in this book. 20He who testifies to these
things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…
So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed. |
You said: (So you made your point but a lot of islamic high priest used Al Tabari's hadiths as references if Al Tabari's hadiths is false or weak like muslims always claim when they got cornered by their own lies.)
Answer: I want to ask you if when you want to know the truth about something, do you want to search directly its source or just hear from what people say? people who are careful of an information will certainly look for authentic sources followed by other supporting data.
You said: (Then Quran is also false its only Muhammad way to lay claim on his dictatorship and to dominate everyone who did not follow his cult. MUhammad started a cult overthrow God's previous covenants and to claim superiority over God's kingdom and his followers.)
Answer: That is your opinion who does not like the Apostolic Muhammad whose duties are the same as the other Apostles (including Jesus), namely inviting humans to worship Allah who has created the universe, including created you.
You said: (Here is some references from the bible to proof Muhammad was false prophet and a cult leader who lied to each and every muslim that he received any message from Allah. Deuteronomy 4:2 You must not add to or subtract from what I command you, so that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I am giving you. Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it. Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Revelation 22:19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.)
Answer: Are Deuteronomy 4: 2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30: 6 addressed to the Prophet Muhammad? those words of God was addressed to the scribes, because at that time the Prophet Muhammad was not yet born.
(Revelation 22:19 20He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!…)
Answer: Yes, the Prophet Jesus will come at the end of the age in which one of his tasks is to invite people to worship only to one God (Tawhid), that is Allah who created the Prophet Jesus.
You said: (So Muhammad is solidly proven as a liar and deceiver who tried to ad on remove his so called new religion of God and make it the most superiour religion above the real God's religion. So everyone who believes in Muhammad's cult islam is totaly doomed.)
Answer: You will prove by yourself when you are dead (in the hereafter) that all the Prophets /Apostles including Jesus will confirm that they are all human beings who are commanded to worship only to Allah who has created them.
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You thinks God's last words came through Muhammad then you fallen far out of the bus. Let me educate you again that God send his Son as his final decision.
Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Hebrews 1 God’s
Supreme Revelation
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in
time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he
hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; You can't chance God's words you can do what ever you want to it will not and shall not change |
Who is that Son ? Do you think that God has son ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 07 December 2019 at 3:04pm
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Do you think God will send a false prophet. God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 December 2019 at 7:18am
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 12 December 2019 at 7:05am
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
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You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 17 December 2019 at 10:40pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
|
You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
In English the name is Jesus, in Arabic the name is' Isa. Both are for the same person. Like David in English, while in Arabic is Dawud (the same person), etc
Now prove it to me which the Prophet Muhammad has changed the verses in the Gospel ? The name 'Isa is not the creation of the Prophet Muhammad but that name in the Qoran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by Allah.
Which one the name made by Allah and made by humans ? 'Isa or Yasu' ?
In the Qoran, the Prophet 'Isa (Jesus) did not die and not crucified
Now I want to ask you what is the meaning of the word "Eli" with the word "Father" in your gospel?
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 1:06am
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Peace maker wrote:
... Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus... |
LOL!! 
So... by your farcical and absurd reasoning and analysis, Christians invented the names of Jewish Prophets who came before Jesus (Peace and Blessings on them all)... For example: Solomon was called something different in Hebrew:
Solomon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English" rel="nofollow - / - ˈ - ɒ - ə - ə; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language" rel="nofollow - Hebrew : שְׁלֹמֹה, Shlomoh) [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon ]
Press 'Play' here to hear how his name should really pronounced in Hebrew: https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/" rel="nofollow - https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/
Typical Islamophobic drivel.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 12:31pm
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
... Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus... |
LOL!!
So... by your farcical and absurd reasoning and analysis, Christians invented the names of Jewish Prophets who came before Jesus (Peace and Blessings on them all)... For example: Solomon was called something different in Hebrew:
Solomon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English" rel="nofollow - / - ˈ - ɒ - ə - ə; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language" rel="nofollow - Hebrew : שְׁלֹמֹה, Shlomoh) [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon ]
Press 'Play' here to hear how his name should really pronounced in Hebrew: https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/" rel="nofollow - https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/
Typical Islamophobic drivel.
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Muhammad was so obsessed with the Isa cause of his his child wife Aisha. Meanwhile, Arabic-speaking Christians use يسوع Yasū‘, which comes from ܝܫܘܥ Yešū‘, the Aramaic name for
Jesus. The origin of the Qur'anic Isa is complex and is detailed below.
Isa was also used in the Frisian (Old Germanic) language for
both males and females and was a short form of Germanic names beginning with
the element "is", meaning ice and iron. So thus tells you Muhammad had a fear of calling Jesus by his right name or else may be the Christians would haave mock him as a liar but in anyway he was a liar.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 12:36pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
|
You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
In English the name is Jesus, in Arabic the name is' Isa. Both are for the same person. Like David in English, while in Arabic is Dawud (the same person), etc
Now prove it to me which the Prophet Muhammad has changed the verses in the Gospel ? The name 'Isa is not the creation of the Prophet Muhammad but that name in the Qoran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by Allah.
Which one the name made by Allah and made by humans ? 'Isa or Yasu' ?
In the Qoran, the Prophet 'Isa (Jesus) did not die and not crucified
Now I want to ask you what is the meaning of the word "Eli" with the word "Father" in your gospel?
|
Meanwhile, Arabic-speaking Christians use يسوع Yasū‘, which comes from ܝܫܘܥ Yešū‘, the Aramaic name for
Jesus. The origin of the Qur'anic Isa is complex and is detailed below.
Isa was also used in the Frisian (Old Germanic) language for
both males and females and was a short form of Germanic names beginning with
the element "is", meaning ice and iron. Eli means in Hebrew for "my God," "high," or
"elevated."
|
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 18 December 2019 at 7:41pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
|
You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
In English the name is Jesus, in Arabic the name is' Isa. Both are for the same person. Like David in English, while in Arabic is Dawud (the same person), etc
Now prove it to me which the Prophet Muhammad has changed the verses in the Gospel ? The name 'Isa is not the creation of the Prophet Muhammad but that name in the Qoran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by Allah.
Which one the name made by Allah and made by humans ? 'Isa or Yasu' ?
In the Qoran, the Prophet 'Isa (Jesus) did not die and not crucified
Now I want to ask you what is the meaning of the word "Eli" with the word "Father" in your gospel?
|
Meanwhile, Arabic-speaking Christians use يسوع Yasū‘, which comes from ܝܫܘܥ Yešū‘, the Aramaic name for
Jesus. The origin of the Qur'anic Isa is complex and is detailed below.
Isa was also used in the Frisian (Old Germanic) language for
both males and females and was a short form of Germanic names beginning with
the element "is", meaning ice and iron. Eli means in Hebrew for "my God," "high," or
"elevated."
|
Then what do you think, is God the same as humans?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 December 2019 at 7:21pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
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You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
In English the name is Jesus, in Arabic the name is' Isa. Both are for the same person. Like David in English, while in Arabic is Dawud (the same person), etc
Now prove it to me which the Prophet Muhammad has changed the verses in the Gospel ? The name 'Isa is not the creation of the Prophet Muhammad but that name in the Qoran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by Allah.
Which one the name made by Allah and made by humans ? 'Isa or Yasu' ?
In the Qoran, the Prophet 'Isa (Jesus) did not die and not crucified
Now I want to ask you what is the meaning of the word "Eli" with the word "Father" in your gospel?
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Meanwhile, Arabic-speaking Christians use يسوع Yasū‘, which comes from ܝܫܘܥ Yešū‘, the Aramaic name for
Jesus. The origin of the Qur'anic Isa is complex and is detailed below.
Isa was also used in the Frisian (Old Germanic) language for
both males and females and was a short form of Germanic names beginning with
the element "is", meaning ice and iron. Eli means in Hebrew for "my God," "high," or
"elevated."
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Then what do you think, is God the same as humans?
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Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should
change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not
fulfill?
So you then you wanted tell me The Quran is the word of God that will make God liar and thats blaspemy against God.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 December 2019 at 7:50pm
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
... Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus... |
LOL!!
So... by your farcical and absurd reasoning and analysis, Christians invented the names of Jewish Prophets who came before Jesus (Peace and Blessings on them all)... For example: Solomon was called something different in Hebrew:
Solomon ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English" rel="nofollow - / - ˈ - ɒ - ə - ə; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language" rel="nofollow - Hebrew : שְׁלֹמֹה, Shlomoh) [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon ]
Press 'Play' here to hear how his name should really pronounced in Hebrew: https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/" rel="nofollow - https://forvo.com/word/%D7%A9%D6%B0%D7%81%D7%9C%D6%B9%D7%9E%D6%B9%D7%94/
Typical Islamophobic drivel.
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Tell me what does it mean I do not fear anything so I am not a phobie. Since the rise of islam or only recently the muslim phobie got a new trophy on the wall of fame.
Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia you must not get this phobie
Arachnophobia then the spiders must also take up banners and protest against discrimination against spiders in the city streets like the muslim protesters who protest against islamophobia.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 19 December 2019 at 10:55pm
Peace maker wrote:
...Tell me what does it mean...
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Firstly: Allah, may He be exalted, sent Messengers to every nation and He stated that they came one after another, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Then We sent Our Messengers in succession, every time there came to a nation their Messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another (to destruction), and We made them as Ahadeeth (the true stories for mankind to learn a lesson from them). So away with a people who believe not” [al-Mu’minoon 23:44] “Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them” [Faatir 35:24]. Allah has named some of those Messengers and told us the stories of some of them, but not of many others. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nooh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the twelve sons of Yaqoob (Jacob)), Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawood (David) We gave the Zaboor (Psalms). And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you, - and to Moosa (Moses) Allah spoke directly” [an-Nisa’ 4:163-164]. Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: These are the names of the Prophets whose names are mentioned in the Qur’an: Adam, Idrees, Nooh, Hood, Saalih, Ibraaheem, Loot, Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, Yoosuf, Ayyoob, Shu‘ayb, Moosa, Haroon, Yoonus, Dawood, Sulaymaan, Ilyaas, al-Yasa‘, Zakariya, Yahya, and ‘Eesa (blessings and peace be upon them), as well as Dhu’l-Kifl according to many commentators, and their leader is Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him). The words “and Messengers We have not mentioned to you” mean: other people who are not mentioned in the Qur’an. Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 2/469 Secondly: The scholars differed as to the number of Prophets and Messengers, according to what reached them and their opinions on the authenticity of the hadeeths that mentioned their numbers. Those who classed the hadeeths as saheeh or hasan gave their opinion based on those reports; those who classed the hadeeths as da‘eef said that the number could not be known except through Revelation, so they refrained from stating a number. The hadeeths that mentioned a number are as follows: 1. It was narrated that Abu Dharr said: I said: O Messenger of Allah, how many Prophets were there? He said: “One hundred and twenty four thousand.” I said: O Messenger of Allah, how many of them were Messengers? He said: “Three hundred and thirteen, a good number.” I said: O Messenger of Allah, who was the first of them? He said: “Adam.” … Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan, 361 This hadeeth is da‘eef jiddan (very weak). Its isnaad includes Ibraaheem ibn Hishaam al-Ghassaani, of whom adh-Dhahabi said: he is matrook (rejected). Indeed, Abu Haatim said: (He is) a liar. Hence Ibn al-Jawzi ruled that the hadeeth was fabricated and false. Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This hadeeth was narrated at length by al-Haafiz Abu Haatim ibn Hibbaan al-Basti in his book al-Anwaa‘ wa’t-Taqaaseem, and he said that it was saheeh. But Abu’l-Faraj ibn al-Jazwi disagreed with him and included this hadeeth in his book al-Mawdoo‘aat (the fabricated hadeeths) and accused Ibraaheem ibn Hishaam of fabricating the hadeeth. There is no doubt that more than one of the imams of al-jarh wa’t-ta‘deel (evaluation of hadeeth narrators) criticised him because of this hadeeth. Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 2/470 Shu‘ayb al-Arna’oot said: Its isnaad is da‘eef jiddan (very weak) – and he quoted the comments of the scholars about Ibraaheem ibn Hishaam. Tahqeeq Saheeh Ibn Hibbaan, 2/79 2. A hadeeth mentioning this number - one hundred and twenty four thousand – was also narrated via another isnaad: It was narrated that Abu Umaamah said: I said: O Prophet of Allah, how many Prophets were there? He said: “One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan in his Tafseer, 963 Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Mu‘aan ibn Rifaa‘ah as-Silaami is da‘eef; ‘Ali ibn Yazeed is da‘eef; and al-Qaasim Abu ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan is also da‘eef. Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 2/470 3. The hadeeth of Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) was also narrated via another isnaad, without any mention of the number of Prophets; rather it mentions the number of Messengers: He said: I said: O Messenger of Allah, how many Messengers were there? He said: “Three hundred and umpteen, a good number.” Narrated by Ahmad, 35/431 According to another report (35/438): “three hundred and fifteen, a good number.” Shu‘ayb al-Arna’oot said: Its isnaad is da‘eef jiddan (very weak), because ‘Ubayd ibn al-Khashkhaash is majhool (unknown) and Abu ‘Umar ad-Dimashqi is da‘eef. Ad-Daaraqutni said: al-Mas‘oodi from Abu ‘Umar ad-Dimashqi is matrook (rejected). Al-Mas‘oodi is ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Utbah. Tahqeeq Musnad Ahmad, 35/432 4. It was narrated that Anas said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” Narrated by Abu Ya‘la in his Musnad, 7/160 This hadeeth is da‘eef jiddan (very weak). Al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said: It was narrated by Abu Ya‘la and its isnaad includes Moosa ibn ‘Ubaydah ar-Rabdhi, who is da‘eef jiddan. Majma‘ az-Zawaa’id, 8/210 Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This is also a da‘eef isnaad. It includes ar-Rabdhi who is da‘eef, and his shaykh ar-Raqqaashi is also weaker than him. Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 2/470 5. It was narrated that Abu’l-Waddaak said: Abu Sa‘eed said to me: Do the Khaarijis believe in the Dajjaal? I said: No. He said: The Messenger of Allah (sa) said: “I am the Seal of a thousand Prophets or more; no Prophet was sent but he warned his nation about the Dajjaal…” Narrated by Ahmad, 18/275 This hadeeth is da‘eef because Mujaalid ibn Sa‘eed is da‘eef. Al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said: It was narrated by Ahmad, and its isnaad includes Mujaalid ibn Sa‘eed. An-Nasaa’i classed him as thiqah (trustworthy) in one report but he said concerning another: He is not qawiy (strong). A number of scholars classed him as da‘eef. Majma‘ az-Zawaa’id, 7/346 It was also classed as da‘eef by al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad, 18/276 6. This hadeeth was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him): It was narrated by al-Bazzaar in his Musnad, 3380, Kashf al-Astaar. Its isnaad includes Mujaalid ibn Sa‘eed; it has been stated above that he is da‘eef. Al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said: It was narrated by al-Bazzaar and its isnaad includes Mujaalid ibn Sa‘eed, who was classed as da‘eef by the majority. Majma‘ az-Zawaa’id, 7/347 From the hadeeths quoted above – and there are others that we have not quoted to save space, all of which are da‘eef – it is clear that the reports differ concerning the number of Prophets and Messengers. Every group spoke on the basis of the reports that were saheeh in their opinion. The most well-known of the reports mentioned above is the hadeeth of Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him), which says that the number of Prophets was one hundred and twenty four thousand, among whom the number of Messengers was three hundred and fifteen. Some of the scholars even said that the number of Prophets was the same as the number of Companions of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the number of Messengers was the same as the number of those who were present at Badr. But by examining the isnaads of these reports, it does not seem to us that these hadeeths are saheeh, either individually or when their isnaads are put together. Thirdly: There follow the opinions of some of the leading scholars who said that these hadeeths and the numbers mentioned in them are not saheeh (sound): 1. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: From what is mentioned by Ahmad, Muhammad ibn Nasr and others, it is clear that they did not know the number of Books and Messengers, and the hadeeth of Abu Dharr that speaks of that was not proven in their view. Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 7/409 From this report from the two imams Ahmad and Muhammad ibn Nasr al-Marwazi it is clear that they regarded the hadeeths which speak of the number of Prophets as da‘eef. What appears to be the case is that Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) supported them in that. And he indicated that the hadeeth of Abu Dharr was da‘eef. As he said: It was narrated in the hadeeth of Abu Dharr that their number was three hundred and thirteen, but that hadeeth was not quoted as evidence; rather what is quoted as evidence is the verses that speak of their large number. 2. Ibn ‘Atiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his commentary on the verse in an-Nisa’: The words of Allah, may He be exalted, “and Messengers We have not mentioned to you” [an-Nisa’ 4:164], imply a large number of Prophets, without mentioning a specific number. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them” [Faatir 35:24] “and many generations in between” [al-Furqaan 25:38]. What has been narrated about the number of Prophets is not correct; Allah knows best about their number, may the blessings of Allah be upon them. End quote. 3. The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked: What is the number of Prophets and Messengers (blessings and peace of Allah be upon them)? They replied: No one knows their number except Allah, because He says (interpretation of the meaning): “And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad SAW); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story” [Ghaafir 40:78]. Those who are known are those who are mentioned in the Qur’an or in the saheeh Sunnah. Shaykh ‘Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd ar-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Qa‘ood Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah, 3/256 4. Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) said: In the hadeeth of Abu Dharr that is narrated by Abu Haatim ibn Hibbaan and others, it says that he asked the Prophet (sa) about the Messengers and about the Prophets, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Prophets were one hundred and twenty-four thousand and the Messengers were three hundred and thirteen.” According to the report of Abu Umaamah: three hundred and fifteen. But these are both da‘eef hadeeths according to the scholars. They have corroborating reports, but those are also da‘eef, as we have mentioned above. According to some of them it says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said that there were a thousand Prophets or more, and in some it says that the number of Prophets was three thousand. All the hadeeths that speak of this matter are da‘eef; in fact Ibn al-Jawzi regarded the hadeeth of Abu Dharr as being fabricated. The point is that there is no reliable report about the number of Prophets and Messengers; no one knows their number except Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. But they were a good number. Allah has told us the stories of some of them and He has not told us the stories of others in His wisdom, may He be glorified and exalted. Majmoo‘ Fataawa ash-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 2/66, 67 5. Shaykh ‘Abdullah ibn Jibreen (may Allah preserve him) was asked: What is the number of Prophets and Messengers? Is not believing in some of them (because we are unaware of them) regarded as kufr? What is the number of divinely revealed Books? He replied: In a number of hadeeths it is stated that the number of the Prophets was one hundred and twenty-four thousand, and that the number of Messengers among them was three hundred and thirteen; it was also narrated that the number of Prophets was eight thousand. All of these hadeeths were quoted in Ibn Katheer’s Tafseer al-Qur’an al-‘Azeem, at the end of Soorat an-Nisa’, in his commentary on the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “and Messengers We have not mentioned to you” [an-Nisa’ 4:164]. But the hadeeths about this matter are all da‘eef, despite the fact that there are so many. So it is better to refrain from discussing this matter. What is required of the Muslim is to believe specifically in those Prophets whose names were mentioned by Allah and His Messenger, and to believe in the rest in general terms. Allah condemned the Jews for differentiating between them, as He said (interpretation of the meaning): “…saying, We believe in some but reject others…” [an-Nisa’ 4:150]. We believe in every Prophet and every Messenger whom Allah sent at some time or another, but each one’s message was for the people of his own time and his Book was for his nation and his people. With regard to the number of Books, it says in the lengthy hadeeth narrated from Abu Dharr that the number of books was one hundred books and four books, as was mentioned by Ibn Katheer in his commentary on the verse quoted above. But Allah knows best how sound this is. Allah has mentioned the Torah, the Gospel, the Psalms (Zaboor), and the Scriptures of Ibraaheem and Moosa, so we believe in that and we believe that Allah has many Books of which we have no knowledge; it is sufficient for us to believe in them in general terms. Fataawa Islamiyyah, 1/41
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 23 December 2019 at 3:06pm
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Why do you change the topic? There was only 49 prophets for the jews and 7 prophetesses.
2 Kings 17:13 The LORD warned Israel and Judah through all
his prophets and seers: "Turn from your evil ways. Observe my commands and
decrees, in accordance with the entire Law that I commanded your ancestors to
obey and that I delivered to you through my servants the prophets."
“The word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘Before I formed
you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I
appointed you a prophet to the nations.’”
Jeremiah 1:4-5
To a greater or lesser degree, this was true of all the
prophets of Israel. Some prophets had messages that focused more specifically
on nations other than Israel, such as Obadiah’s words for Edom and the ministry
of Jonah and Nahum to Nineveh (Assyria). Other prophets, such as Haggai and
Ezekiel, spoke primarily to the Israelites and less to the Gentile nations. But
all of the prophets had words that could be applied both to Israel and to the
other nations. Jeremiah could well be
said about all the prophets of God: “Though he was given as a Prophet
especially to his own people, yet his authority extended to heathen nations.” One hundred and twenty four thousand.One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.”
“And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them”
Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession.
This was just a wild shot in the dark that Muhammad must answer with a instant revelation for his believers or else they won't believe in him.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 23 December 2019 at 11:04pm
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 24 December 2019 at 10:26am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
Do you think God will send a false prophet.God indeed send his from heaven in which he can trust.
Go take your time and read through this verses seems to me you didn't red the Bible.
1 Corinthians 15:28
When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself
also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God
may be all in all.
Psalm 2:7
"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said
to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY
SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO
HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Matthew 3:17
and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is
My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Matthew 17:5
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed
them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son,
with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"
Mark 1:11
and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved
Son, in You I am well-pleased."
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw
His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and
truth.
1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
John 14:13
"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
John 5:19
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it
is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these
things the Son also does in like manner.
John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He
gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
Mark 14:61
But He kept silent and did not answer Again the high priest
was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed One?"
Mark 5:7
and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business
do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by
God, do not torment me!"
Luke 8:28
Seeing Jesus, he cried out and fell before Him, and said in
a loud voice, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the
Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me."
Acts 13:33
that God has fulfilled this promise to our children in that
He raised up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, 'YOU ARE MY SON;
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.'
Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a
high priest, but He who said to Him, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE
BEGOTTEN YOU";
Mark 9:7
Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came
out of the cloud, "This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a
dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am
well-pleased."
2 Peter 1:17
For when He received honor and glory from God the Father,
such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is
My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
Luke 9:35
Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My
Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"
Romans 1:4
who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ
our Lord,
Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to
fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF
EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
Luke 20:13
"The owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I
will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.'
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER
AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is
greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His
Son.
1 John 5:10
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in
himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has
not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. This was writen by hard core orthdox Jews for which you can not came with slightest idea of God has a Son which means death sentence without a trial. |
You said: (Do you think God will send a false prophet.)
Answer: This question should be from me to you, because you have assumed the Prophet Muhammad was a fake etc. While I and all Muslims in the world glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus) that he is a messenger of Allah and not tortured on the cross.
The verses in the Gospels today have changed a lot, as I know from the four Gospels: Luke, Matthew, Mark and John.
I've found from the three Gospels which stated as follows: "Eli, Eli, lama sabakhtani?" (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?) (Luke 23:46, Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34). While in the book of John I don't find it, and many others.
If Jesus is a child of God, why isn't "" Ab "written in that sentence? which means father.
Even what I found in the Gospels is that all the Prophets including Jesus, they all do salah, they bow, prostrate and pray like Muslims do. Do you also worship like Jesus?
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You muslims glorify Isa which name should be Jesus which by accident end up in the Quran via Apacrypical books if it wasn't in the Quran then muslims would have denied that Jesus a was a even prophet Muhammad copied the Apocrypical books from the Arab Christians and also changed it to fit his demands to lure Christians into Islam.
Isa was Muhammad's invention of the Muslim Jesus.
The traditional Arabic name for Jesus is Yasu'. Until very
recent times, all Arab Christians used no other name for Jesus. And even today,
that is the name used by more than 99% of all Arab Christians. Just walk into
any Arab Christian church, turn on Arabic Christian broadcasting, read Arabic
Christian literature written for Christians. You will only find Yasu', never Isa. Only very recently (perhaps some 25 years ago) some Christians started to
use the name Isa in Arabic publications written specifically for Muslims in the
hope that they may more easily accept their message if they see the quranic
name for Jesus instead of the traditional Christian one. Nevertheless, among
themselves, Arab Christians do not use Isa or Esa. Why Jesus did not call Abba on the cross for muslims it wont be of any concern cause Muhammad twisted the Christian stolen scriptures to fit his demands and claim Jesus or Isa never died on the cross. |
In English the name is Jesus, in Arabic the name is' Isa. Both are for the same person. Like David in English, while in Arabic is Dawud (the same person), etc
Now prove it to me which the Prophet Muhammad has changed the verses in the Gospel ? The name 'Isa is not the creation of the Prophet Muhammad but that name in the Qoran revealed to the Prophet Muhammad by Allah.
Which one the name made by Allah and made by humans ? 'Isa or Yasu' ?
In the Qoran, the Prophet 'Isa (Jesus) did not die and not crucified
Now I want to ask you what is the meaning of the word "Eli" with the word "Father" in your gospel?
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Meanwhile, Arabic-speaking Christians use يسوع Yasū‘, which comes from ܝܫܘܥ Yešū‘, the Aramaic name for
Jesus. The origin of the Qur'anic Isa is complex and is detailed below.
Isa was also used in the Frisian (Old Germanic) language for
both males and females and was a short form of Germanic names beginning with
the element "is", meaning ice and iron. Eli means in Hebrew for "my God," "high," or
"elevated."
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Then what do you think, is God the same as humans?
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Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should
change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not
fulfill?
So you then you wanted tell me The Quran is the word of God that will make God liar and thats blaspemy against God. |
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
That's why the Qoran was revealed, and one of the aims is to straighten back the religion of monotheism, the teachings of all the Prophets.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 25 December 2019 at 3:04pm
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 03 January 2020 at 2:17am
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 03 January 2020 at 2:57pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
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God is not a human must I repeat myself.
What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.
Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the
prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! If Allah was the true
God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah
praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah
prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on
him too?
Since Muhammed is the
one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the
hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the
Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not
committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 03 January 2020 at 10:58pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
|
God is not a human must I repeat myself.
What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.
Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the
prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! If Allah was the true
God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah
praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah
prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on
him too?
Since Muhammed is the
one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the
hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the
Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not
committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?
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(God is not a human must I repeat myself.)
Answer: If God is not human, why did Jesus become God's child ?
The following analogy is an afterthought for those who are good at using brains: Humans are certainly human children, no calves, and chicks cannot be goats. So how about Jesus ?
(What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.)
Answer: My God is one, He doesn't have children and not be born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible. He is the Most Holy of all that His creatures can weaken.
Jews should worship only one God like the Prophet Moses and the others.
The Arabs call the name of the God, Allah, because it's the language of the Arabs, while the Jews call the God, Elloh, Elloha, Ellia, because that language is used by the Jews.
But from all of these, the important one is refer to something with the same meaning, for example there are people who mention the name Ibrahim, Abraham, Ebrahim, and that is for the same person.
In this case, the important understanding of God is the same that God doesn't have children and not born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.
(Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!)
Answer: In Nahwu's knowledge that what is meant by "Shallu" in the verse does not mean worshiping the Prophet Muhammad, but paying homage to him because besides he has noble character he also becomes an Apostle whose duty is to invite humanity back to the Tawheed Religion as conveyed by the previous Apostles.
(If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.)
(Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?)
(If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?)
Answer: The answer is the same with the above.
(Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.)
(If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?)
Answer: Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is not the same as worshiping Allah where there is standing, prostration etc. Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is like the Angels greeting to people who go to heaven (no need to bow down etc.)
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 17 February 2020 at 5:19pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
|
God is not a human must I repeat myself.
What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.
Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the
prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! If Allah was the true
God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah
praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah
prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on
him too?
Since Muhammed is the
one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the
hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the
Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not
committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?
|
(God is not a human must I repeat myself.)
Answer: If God is not human, why did Jesus become God's child ?
The following analogy is an afterthought for those who are good at using brains: Humans are certainly human children, no calves, and chicks cannot be goats. So how about Jesus ?
(What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.)
Answer: My God is one, He doesn't have children and not be born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible. He is the Most Holy of all that His creatures can weaken.
Jews should worship only one God like the Prophet Moses and the others.
The Arabs call the name of the God, Allah, because it's the language of the Arabs, while the Jews call the God, Elloh, Elloha, Ellia, because that language is used by the Jews.
But from all of these, the important one is refer to something with the same meaning, for example there are people who mention the name Ibrahim, Abraham, Ebrahim, and that is for the same person.
In this case, the important understanding of God is the same that God doesn't have children and not born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.
(Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!)
Answer: In Nahwu's knowledge that what is meant by "Shallu" in the verse does not mean worshiping the Prophet Muhammad, but paying homage to him because besides he has noble character he also becomes an Apostle whose duty is to invite humanity back to the Tawheed Religion as conveyed by the previous Apostles.
(If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.)
(Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?)
(If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?)
Answer: The answer is the same with the above.
(Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.)
(If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?)
Answer: Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is not the same as worshiping Allah where there is standing, prostration etc. Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is like the Angels greeting to people who go to heaven (no need to bow down etc.)
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Allah is not the Jehovah of the Old Testament. In fact,
Allah is a version of the Moon-god, a pagan god in Arabia who was worshipped
during pre-Islamic times. And that is why the Crescent moon is the symbol of
Islam, and the month-long Ramadan fasting begins and ends with the crescent
moon.
The evidence of this can be found in the extensive
archeological digs in the Middle East over the last 100 years. A temple of the
Moon-god was excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. The examples of moon
worship which he found can now be seen in the British Museum. In the 1950s, a
temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the
Moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man seated on a throne with a
crescent moon carved on his chest.
Also in the 1950s, archeologists excavated sites at Qataban,
Timna, and Marib. Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern
Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of
the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three
daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, are sometimes depicted together with
Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological
evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the
Moon-god.
The oldest name of the Moon-God was Sin, of Sumerian origin.
Hence, Sinai, or the wilderness of Sin. While the Arabs worshipped 360 gods at
the Kabah in Mecca, the Mood-god was the chief deity. The Moon-god was also
called Il or Ilah, which eventually became Allah. So Muhammad caught you all with a long slack belt with all his lies and deceptions. |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 21 February 2020 at 8:37pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
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One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
|
God is not a human must I repeat myself.
What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.
Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the
prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! If Allah was the true
God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah
praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah
prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on
him too?
Since Muhammed is the
one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the
hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the
Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not
committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?
|
(God is not a human must I repeat myself.)
Answer: If God is not human, why did Jesus become God's child ?
The following analogy is an afterthought for those who are good at using brains: Humans are certainly human children, no calves, and chicks cannot be goats. So how about Jesus ?
(What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.)
Answer: My God is one, He doesn't have children and not be born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible. He is the Most Holy of all that His creatures can weaken.
Jews should worship only one God like the Prophet Moses and the others.
The Arabs call the name of the God, Allah, because it's the language of the Arabs, while the Jews call the God, Elloh, Elloha, Ellia, because that language is used by the Jews.
But from all of these, the important one is refer to something with the same meaning, for example there are people who mention the name Ibrahim, Abraham, Ebrahim, and that is for the same person.
In this case, the important understanding of God is the same that God doesn't have children and not born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.
(Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!)
Answer: In Nahwu's knowledge that what is meant by "Shallu" in the verse does not mean worshiping the Prophet Muhammad, but paying homage to him because besides he has noble character he also becomes an Apostle whose duty is to invite humanity back to the Tawheed Religion as conveyed by the previous Apostles.
(If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.)
(Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?)
(If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?)
Answer: The answer is the same with the above.
(Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.)
(If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?)
Answer: Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is not the same as worshiping Allah where there is standing, prostration etc. Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is like the Angels greeting to people who go to heaven (no need to bow down etc.)
|
Allah is not the Jehovah of the Old Testament. In fact,
Allah is a version of the Moon-god, a pagan god in Arabia who was worshipped
during pre-Islamic times. And that is why the Crescent moon is the symbol of
Islam, and the month-long Ramadan fasting begins and ends with the crescent
moon.
The evidence of this can be found in the extensive
archeological digs in the Middle East over the last 100 years. A temple of the
Moon-god was excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. The examples of moon
worship which he found can now be seen in the British Museum. In the 1950s, a
temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the
Moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man seated on a throne with a
crescent moon carved on his chest.
Also in the 1950s, archeologists excavated sites at Qataban,
Timna, and Marib. Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern
Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of
the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three
daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, are sometimes depicted together with
Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological
evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the
Moon-god.
The oldest name of the Moon-God was Sin, of Sumerian origin.
Hence, Sinai, or the wilderness of Sin. While the Arabs worshipped 360 gods at
the Kabah in Mecca, the Mood-god was the chief deity. The Moon-god was also
called Il or Ilah, which eventually became Allah. So Muhammad caught you all with a long slack belt with all his lies and deceptions. |
The words of: "Allah" is used by Arabs, the "Jehovah" is used by Jews, "Kamisama" is used by Japanese people, etc. All have the same meaning. So it is impossible for Arabs to call their God "Jehovah" or "Kamisama" etc.
If you hate the Prophet Muhammad by saying a liar, it's up to you. But you must remember that one day you will die (you believe that), and you will know who the Prophet Muhammad is. (A regret will no longer be useful at that time.)
Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?
|
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 22 February 2020 at 6:14pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
MIAW wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
...Then every nation in the world must have some references of books or scrolls from One hundred and twenty four thousand Prophets all over the world in their posession. |
No. There are differences between the term 'prophet' and the term 'messenger'.
The well-known difference between a Prophet and a Messenger is that a Messenger is one to whom a law is revealed and he is commanded to convey it, whilst a Prophet is one to whom a law is revealed but he is not commanded to convey it. But this distinction is not free of problems, because a Prophet is also commanded to call people, convey the Message and judge among the people. Hence Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: The correct view is that the Messenger is one who is sent to a disbelieving people, and the Prophet is one who is sent to a believing people with the sharee’ah of the Messenger who came before him, to teach them and judge between them, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily, We did send down the Tawraat (Torah) [to Moosa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allaah’s Will, judged for the Jews” [al-Maa’idah 5:44] So the Prophets of the Children of Israel judged by the Tawraat which Allaah had revealed to Moosa. With regard to the aayah, “but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (end) of the Prophets” [al-Ahzaab 33:40] and why it did not say the last of the Messengers – the end of the Message does not mean the end of Prophethood, but the end of Prophethood does mean the end of the Message. Hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be no Prophet after me,” and he did not say, there will be no Messenger after me. Thus we know that there is no Messenger and no Prophet after him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he was the last of the Prophets and of the Messengers, (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Easy explanation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_IGKGiyH4
|
One hundred and twenty four thousand. One hundred and twenty four thousand, of whom three hundred and fifteen were a good number.” “Allah sent eight thousand Prophets, four thousand to the Children of Israel and four thousand to the rest of mankind.” So what is the difference a Prophet is not messenger and a messenger is not a Prophet but all was send by God. Your explanation is not plausible. A messenger is a postman. A prophet is ordained by the direct calling of God that was send for the jews only to punish them for their sins. From the time of Moses there were Priest from the Levite tribe of Isreal who also was in direct contact with God. The priests served as the mediators between God and the
people. They are the ones who took the people's sacrifices and offered them up
to God (Leviticus 4:20, 26, 31; Hebrews 8:4). The High Priest, in particular,
represented the whole nation of Israel before God (Exodus 28:12; Hebrews 5:1).
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the
whole people (Leviticus 4:3).
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before
God (Leviticus 9:22-24; Numbers 6:22-27). And they would inquire of God for the
nation (Exodus 28:30). Okay then what must we called Preist You came out with topic and I want a answer where is the evidence of all that hundred and twenty for thousand Prophets that Muhammad asumed Allah had send all over the world cause there is no historical fact that can lay claim for the slightest evidence to proof that. |
You haven't answered my question to this:
(Numbers 23:19 God is not human,...)
Answer: Yes that's right. Then, is Jesus a human or a son of God ?
|
God is not a human must I repeat myself.
What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.
Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the
prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! If Allah was the true
God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.
Who exactly is Allah
praying to? Is he praying to himself?
If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah
prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on
him too?
Since Muhammed is the
one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the
hands of Muhammad.
If Allah and the
Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not
committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?
|
(God is not a human must I repeat myself.)
Answer: If God is not human, why did Jesus become God's child ?
The following analogy is an afterthought for those who are good at using brains: Humans are certainly human children, no calves, and chicks cannot be goats. So how about Jesus ?
(What is your Allah then he is not same God as the God of the Jews.)
Answer: My God is one, He doesn't have children and not be born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible. He is the Most Holy of all that His creatures can weaken.
Jews should worship only one God like the Prophet Moses and the others.
The Arabs call the name of the God, Allah, because it's the language of the Arabs, while the Jews call the God, Elloh, Elloha, Ellia, because that language is used by the Jews.
But from all of these, the important one is refer to something with the same meaning, for example there are people who mention the name Ibrahim, Abraham, Ebrahim, and that is for the same person.
In this case, the important understanding of God is the same that God doesn't have children and not born. He is the one who created this universe both macro and micro, both visible and invisible.
(Qur'an 33:56—Verily, Allah and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation!)
Answer: In Nahwu's knowledge that what is meant by "Shallu" in the verse does not mean worshiping the Prophet Muhammad, but paying homage to him because besides he has noble character he also becomes an Apostle whose duty is to invite humanity back to the Tawheed Religion as conveyed by the previous Apostles.
(If Allah was the true God, why would he pray for Muhammad? No true God would ever pray.)
(Who exactly is Allah praying to? Is he praying to himself?)
(If Allah was the true God, wouldn’t it be enough that Allah prayed for Muhammed? Why do do Allah need the Angels and the believers pray on him too?)
Answer: The answer is the same with the above.
(Since Muhammed is the one receiving all these prayers, this shows us that Allah is but a toy in the hands of Muhammad.)
(If Allah and the Angels and the followers of islam are praying to Muhammad, are they not committing shirk (taking partners with Allah)?)
Answer: Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is not the same as worshiping Allah where there is standing, prostration etc. Giving respect to the Prophet Muhammad is like the Angels greeting to people who go to heaven (no need to bow down etc.)
|
Allah is not the Jehovah of the Old Testament. In fact,
Allah is a version of the Moon-god, a pagan god in Arabia who was worshipped
during pre-Islamic times. And that is why the Crescent moon is the symbol of
Islam, and the month-long Ramadan fasting begins and ends with the crescent
moon.
The evidence of this can be found in the extensive
archeological digs in the Middle East over the last 100 years. A temple of the
Moon-god was excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. The examples of moon
worship which he found can now be seen in the British Museum. In the 1950s, a
temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the
Moon-god were found. Each was a statue of a man seated on a throne with a
crescent moon carved on his chest.
Also in the 1950s, archeologists excavated sites at Qataban,
Timna, and Marib. Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern
Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of
the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three
daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat, are sometimes depicted together with
Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological
evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the
Moon-god.
The oldest name of the Moon-God was Sin, of Sumerian origin.
Hence, Sinai, or the wilderness of Sin. While the Arabs worshipped 360 gods at
the Kabah in Mecca, the Mood-god was the chief deity. The Moon-god was also
called Il or Ilah, which eventually became Allah. So Muhammad caught you all with a long slack belt with all his lies and deceptions. |
The words of: "Allah" is used by Arabs, the "Jehovah" is used by Jews, "Kamisama" is used by Japanese people, etc. All have the same meaning. So it is impossible for Arabs to call their God "Jehovah" or "Kamisama" etc.
If you hate the Prophet Muhammad by saying a liar, it's up to you. But you must remember that one day you will die (you believe that), and you will know who the Prophet Muhammad is. (A regret will no longer be useful at that time.)
Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?
|
This was fabricated lie Muhammad to rejection of Christians by muslims so fake evry Arab into his false religion which is anyway useless Muhammad knew he faked his religeon to decieve the Arabs for his support to make money.
Who told him Jesus wasn't crucified Allah no its Muhammad he did that so that they must follow Muhammad if he said Jesus was crucified then he would lost all his support from the Arabs.
Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the cross. Which one is right?
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 23 February 2020 at 3:06am
| Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into
the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the
cross. Which one is right? |
Or they could both be wrong.
|
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 25 February 2020 at 4:01pm
Tim the plumber wrote:
| Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into
the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the
cross. Which one is right? |
Or they could both be wrong.
|
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.
|
Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 08 March 2020 at 5:00am
asep garutea wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
| Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into
the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the
cross. Which one is right? |
Or they could both be wrong.
|
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.
|
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.
Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.
Islamic literature seems to
suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of
Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says,
“The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the
cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that
when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the
cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity
abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.
Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle
between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim,
“The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in
Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge
Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back
from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them
their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).
Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely
depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside
Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against
Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you
fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say,
‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari
4.52.177). What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.
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Posted By: saeedalyousuf
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 12:25am
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The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah, the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell. Seed H H Alyousuf
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Posted By: Tim the plumber
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 3:06am
saeedalyousuf wrote:
The message of the Quran, in brief, is that the real and just human life is only possible with belief in Allah, the Day of Judgment and the correct implementation of the Quranic guidance. Otherwise, as we are experiencing now and know from the past history, it will be injustice, corruption and inhuman life that could be worse than the hell.Seed H H Alyousuf |
OK, but is there any supporting evidence for that?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 10 March 2020 at 10:14am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
| Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into
the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the
cross. Which one is right? |
Or they could both be wrong.
|
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.
|
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.
Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.
Islamic literature seems to
suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of
Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says,
“The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the
cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that
when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the
cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity
abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.
Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle
between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim,
“The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in
Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge
Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back
from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them
their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).
Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely
depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside
Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against
Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you
fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say,
‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari
4.52.177). What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.
|
Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. Islam means "Surrender to one God"
You said: (What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)
Answer: Allah is Willing. Allah created hell, that is His will.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 16 March 2020 at 5:58pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
Tim the plumber wrote:
| Muslims glorify the Prophet Isa (Jesus), he was lifted up into
the sky while you believe that Jesus was killed and tortured on the
cross. Which one is right? |
Or they could both be wrong.
|
But I am very sure that the Prophet Isa (Jesus) will come down to earth sometime before the doomsday.
|
Why would a prophet came before doomsday to tell all non muslims to convert to islam or else Allah will throw them into the hell.
Muhammad's version of the second coming of Isa.
Islamic literature seems to
suggest that Jesus will return to abolish Christianity and confirm the truth of
Islam. A much-quoted hadith, to which the Dabiq headline was alluding, says,
“The Son of Mary will soon descend among you as a just ruler; he will break the
cross and kill the swine.” The usual interpretation of this prophecy is that
when Jesus comes back, he will put an end to his own worship, symbolized by the
cross kill all the pigs, and re-establish the dietary laws that Christianity
abandoned but Jews and Muslims still observe.
Also prominent in Muslims’ view of the end times is a battle
between Jesus and the Antichrist, the Dajjal. According to Sahih al-Muslim,
“The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-Amaq or in
Dabiq.” After this battle with the Romans, the Antichrist will challenge
Muslims and even have the upper hand against them until Allah sends Jesus back
from heaven. Then “Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them
their blood on [Jesus’s] lance” (Sahih al-Muslim 2897).
Beyond this point, Islamic eschatology begins to vary widely
depending on one’s denomination. Many believe Jesus will fight alongside
Muslims, who will be fighting Jews, and even the stones will cry out against
Jews on that day. Muhammad said, “The Hour will not be established until you
fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say,
‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him’” (Sahih al-Bukhari
4.52.177). What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.
|
Jesus will be sent down to earth to invite humanity back to the religion of monotheism, namely worship and surrender only to one God who created them. Islam means "Surrender to one God"
You said: (What kind of God would allow that his wonderfull creations to be killed like pigs and humans.)
Answer: Allah is Willing. Allah created hell, that is His will.
|
Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God. He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon. What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?
The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ،
حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ،
سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله
عليه وسلم قَالَ “ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ
ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ
الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ
يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ”.
Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not
be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just
ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya
tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih
Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)
The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be
discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign
of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come
to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world,
thousands would be given birth on the other. No true Muslim can believe
that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to
kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards
Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one
takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would
never end.
Allah States in the Qur’an 5:60
Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)
Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has
likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of
killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy
Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is
becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who
would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the
interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that
he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted
that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times
is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that
these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted. Thanks it is not my God.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 17 March 2020 at 1:26am
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(Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God.)
Answer: If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law. How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?
(He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon.
Answer: I have explained in this forum that the word "Islam" is Arabic which means "surrender", and "Surrender" is English language. So Jesus will go down not to establish Islam because that is the religion of all the Prophets. So Jesus came down to realign the teachings of Tawheed, namely surrender and worship only to the one God who created the universe.
(What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?)
(The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ “ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ”.
Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)
Answer: Jesus will break the cross because he was not crucified but was lifted up to heaven. He will kill the pig because it will cause harm to the human body. And in the reign of Jesus later, the earth will be fertile so that there is no need to levy more taxes, people will live in harmony and peace.
(The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world, thousands would be given birth on the other.
No true Muslim can believe that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would never end.)
Answer: That is in your opinion, no one knows the scenario created by Allah except only informs the sign that the end of the world is near.
(Allah States in the Qur’an 5:60
Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)
Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted.)
Answer: The verse is true. Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.
(Thanks it is not my God.)
Answer: It's up to you, because I believe that the angel on your left has written what you said.
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Posted By: MIAW
Date Posted: 17 March 2020 at 9:57pm
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asep garutea wrote:
...Answer: If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law. How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?... |
LOL... This is really funny... it really made me laugh!
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 17 March 2020 at 10:47pm
MIAW wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
...Answer: If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law. How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?... |
LOL... This is really funny... it really made me laugh!
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Yes MIAW, may Allah Ta'ala always give us strength to always hold fast to the teachings that are blessed by Allah Ta'ala. Aameen.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 19 March 2020 at 2:42pm
asep garutea wrote:
(Jesus was not a muslim he is the Son of God.)
Answer: If Jesus is the Son of God, it means that Mary's parents is God-in-law. How do you use your own common sense. Does it make sense that God has in-laws?
(He will not came to establised islam Muhammad already establised his own religeon why would Jesus come down to promote Muhammad's religeon.
Answer: I have explained in this forum that the word "Islam" is Arabic which means "surrender", and "Surrender" is English language. So Jesus will go down not to establish Islam because that is the religion of all the Prophets. So Jesus came down to realign the teachings of Tawheed, namely surrender and worship only to the one God who created the universe.
(What is the notion of breaking crosses and killing pigs and abolish jizya tax?)
(The Holy Prophet Muhammadsaw prophesied:
حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، حَدَّثَنَا الزُّهْرِيُّ، قَالَ �£َخْبَرَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ الْمُسَيَّبِ، سَمِعَ �£َبَا هُرَيْرَةَ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ “ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يَنْزِلَ فِيكُمُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ حَكَمًا مُقْسِطًا، فَيَكْسِرَ الصَّلِيبَ، وَيَقْتُلَ الْخِنْزِيرَ، وَيَضَعَ الْجِزْيَةَ، وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ حَتَّى لاَ يَقْبَلَهُ �£َحَدٌ ”.
Narrated Abu Huraira:Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 43, Hadith #656)
Answer: Jesus will break the cross because he was not crucified but was lifted up to heaven. He will kill the pig because it will cause harm to the human body. And in the reign of Jesus later, the earth will be fertile so that there is no need to levy more taxes, people will live in harmony and peace.
(The next sign of the Messiah of the Latter days which will be discussed is the killing of the swine. This is another metaphorical sign of the Messiah, and does not literally mean that the messiah would come to kill pigs. If 100 pigs are killed on one side of the world, thousands would be given birth on the other.
No true Muslim can believe that the task of a prophet is to come and run around like a hunter to kill pigs, rather the task of a prophet is to guide the people towards Allah. How will the killing of pigs guide anyone to the truth? If one takes this to be literal, they should remember that such a killing would never end.)
Answer: That is in your opinion, no one knows the scenario created by Allah except only informs the sign that the end of the world is near.
(Allah States in the Qur’an 5:60
Say, ‘Shall I inform you of those whose reward with Allah is worse than that?They arethose whom Allah has cursed and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made apes and swine and who worship the Evil One. These indeed are in a worse plight, and farther astray from the right path(Chapter 5 Verse 61)
Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes. The prophecy of killing the swine is also in the same manner. The reason the Holy Prophetsaw said that the Messiah would kill the swine is becase the Messiah would have the duty of dealing with the people who would be like swines in their characteristics. It is also stated in the interprettion of dreams that one who kills a pig, inn reality means that he would argue with a evil minded person. In Ta’tirul Anam it is stted that a pig in a dream refers to a cruel and power enemy and many times is referred to the Jews and the Christians. We should remember that these prophecies were also dreams shown to the Holy Prophet, and therefore also have to be interpreted.)
Answer: The verse is true. Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.
(Thanks it is not my God.)
Answer: It's up to you, because I believe that the angel on your left has written what you said.
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God's in law.
Surah 19 say Mary was rhe sister of Aaron Muhammad was so confused that he could not even lie properly. 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste.
So Jesus in the Quran which was also a copied lie must have been born in the time of Moses.
Islam means SURRENDER only to Muhammad's muslim clan the Hashemites. Muhammad himself was a member of the house of Hāshim (Hashem), a subdivision of the https://www.britannica.com/topic/Quraysh" rel="nofollow -
Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes.
Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.
As I have shown you already Muhammad changed God's word he made himself a so called prophet.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 21 March 2020 at 7:55pm
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(Surah 19 say Mary was rhe sister of Aaron Muhammad was so confused that he could not even lie properly. 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste.) (So Jesus in the Quran which was also a copied lie must have been born in the time of Moses.)
Answer: What is meant by a sister here is that Mary was related by blood with Aaron who lived in the time of Moses, it does not mean that Aaron lived in the time of Jesus. Look at the genealogies of the Prophets from the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad.
(Why the killing of pigs and break crosses and to stop jishiya sin tax of the non muslims then money will be abundance may Allah would open a new currency system.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice. How about this.
The Torah (Deuteronomy 14: 8) "Also a wild boar, because it has a split hoof, but it doesn't ruminant, it's proscribed for you. You must not eat the flesh of these animals or be exposed to their carcasses."
Why did Paul violate the word of God by justifying it ?
(Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes.)
Answer: Yes Jesus will do that. If you think that it equates people's crimes with pigs and apes, well ... maybe too.
(Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.)
Answer: Yes that's right.
(As I have shown you already Muhammad changed God's word he made himself a so called prophet.)
Answer: That's your opinion.
If Muhammad was not a Prophet, why were his followers growing more and more? Are they like you who only follow your own will what you wish?
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 27 March 2020 at 8:57pm
asep garutea wrote:
(Surah 19 say Mary was rhe sister of Aaron Muhammad was so confused that he could not even lie properly. 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste.) (So Jesus in the Quran which was also a copied lie must have been born in the time of Moses.)
Answer: What is meant by a sister here is that Mary was related by blood with Aaron who lived in the time of Moses, it does not mean that Aaron lived in the time of Jesus. Look at the genealogies of the Prophets from the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad.
(Why the killing of pigs and break crosses and to stop jishiya sin tax of the non muslims then money will be abundance may Allah would open a new currency system.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice. How about this.
The Torah (Deuteronomy 14: 8) "Also a wild boar, because it has a split hoof, but it doesn't ruminant, it's proscribed for you. You must not eat the flesh of these animals or be exposed to their carcasses."
Why did Paul violate the word of God by justifying it ?
(Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes.)
Answer: Yes Jesus will do that. If you think that it equates people's crimes with pigs and apes, well ... maybe too.
(Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.)
Answer: Yes that's right.
(As I have shown you already Muhammad changed God's word he made himself a so called prophet.)
Answer: That's your opinion.
If Muhammad was not a Prophet, why were his followers growing more and more? Are they like you who only follow your own will what you wish?
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
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Don't come talk me about genealogies cover up you know as good as know it it one of Muhammad's serious blunders to mistake Mary as the sister Aaron Muhammad was not mistaken when said this Allah knows best. Aaron was from the tribe of Levi. Mary was from the tribe Juda.
Just only one of numerous erros in the Quran that Muhammad everything inthe Quran is an huge error like this. The Hadiths just corfirm his blunders and errros.
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I
shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him
in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a
way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it
setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a
people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the
Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He
asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle
know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 30 March 2020 at 5:42pm
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Answer: It's up to you if your opinion like that, and my opinion that the Quran is really the Words of Allah. If you only questioning the Quran like that, it will not change my aqeedah because it's the aqeedah of all the Prophets (including Jesus) is the same that is worshiping only one God who does not have a son. Can you imagine if God has a son ?
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Posted By: Alexan
Date Posted: 31 March 2020 at 12:44pm
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Quran is clear.
Christians are confused, they don't know the name of Mary's father.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 04 April 2020 at 9:07am
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
(Surah 19 say Mary was rhe sister of Aaron Muhammad was so confused that he could not even lie properly. 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste.) (So Jesus in the Quran which was also a copied lie must have been born in the time of Moses.)
Answer: What is meant by a sister here is that Mary was related by blood with Aaron who lived in the time of Moses, it does not mean that Aaron lived in the time of Jesus. Look at the genealogies of the Prophets from the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad.
(Why the killing of pigs and break crosses and to stop jishiya sin tax of the non muslims then money will be abundance may Allah would open a new currency system.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice. How about this.
The Torah (Deuteronomy 14: 8) "Also a wild boar, because it has a split hoof, but it doesn't ruminant, it's proscribed for you. You must not eat the flesh of these animals or be exposed to their carcasses."
Why did Paul violate the word of God by justifying it ?
(Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes.)
Answer: Yes Jesus will do that. If you think that it equates people's crimes with pigs and apes, well ... maybe too.
(Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.)
Answer: Yes that's right.
(As I have shown you already Muhammad changed God's word he made himself a so called prophet.)
Answer: That's your opinion.
If Muhammad was not a Prophet, why were his followers growing more and more? Are they like you who only follow your own will what you wish?
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
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Don't come talk me about genealogies cover up you know as good as know it it one of Muhammad's serious blunders to mistake Mary as the sister Aaron Muhammad was not mistaken when said this Allah knows best. Aaron was from the tribe of Levi. Mary was from the tribe Juda.
Just only one of numerous erros in the Quran that Muhammad everything inthe Quran is an huge error like this. The Hadiths just corfirm his blunders and errros.
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I
shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him
in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a
way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it
setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a
people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the
Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He
asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle
know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.
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Peace maker,
You said: (Don't come talk me about genealogies cover up you know as good as know it it one of Muhammad's serious blunders to mistake Mary as the sister Aaron Muhammad was not mistaken when said this Allah knows best. Aaron was from the tribe of Levi. Mary was from the tribe Juda.)
Answer: If you say like that, what about the statement in the Bible as follows?
Luke 1: 5 "In the time of Herod, King Judea, was a priest named Zechariah from the group of Abijah. His wife also comes from the descendants of Aaron, his name is Elisabeth"
As for the background of Maryam (Jesus' mother), she was a daughter of Hannah binti Faqudz (sister-in-law of Zechariah). This means that Mary (Jesus' mother) had blood relations with the wife of Zechariah, namely Elisabeth, a descendant of Aaron as stated in Luke 1: 5.
So the Quran 19: 28 exactly is not wrong, it's just a prejudice sought by people who are jealous of the truth of the Quran as if the Quran is a fake.
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 06 April 2020 at 5:57pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
(Surah 19 say Mary was rhe sister of Aaron Muhammad was so confused that he could not even lie properly. 28. "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste.) (So Jesus in the Quran which was also a copied lie must have been born in the time of Moses.)
Answer: What is meant by a sister here is that Mary was related by blood with Aaron who lived in the time of Moses, it does not mean that Aaron lived in the time of Jesus. Look at the genealogies of the Prophets from the Prophet Adam to the Prophet Muhammad.
(Why the killing of pigs and break crosses and to stop jishiya sin tax of the non muslims then money will be abundance may Allah would open a new currency system.)
Answer: That's just your prejudice. How about this.
The Torah (Deuteronomy 14: 8) "Also a wild boar, because it has a split hoof, but it doesn't ruminant, it's proscribed for you. You must not eat the flesh of these animals or be exposed to their carcasses."
Why did Paul violate the word of God by justifying it ?
(Allah here is not referring to real pigs in the Qur’an, rather has likened the evilnes of the people to pigs and apes.)
Answer: Yes Jesus will do that. If you think that it equates people's crimes with pigs and apes, well ... maybe too.
(Allah will be angry with those who changed Allah's words in the Torah and the Gospel, so that many people have been led astray. Jesus will come to invite people who have gone astray back to the right path which is blessed by Allah.)
Answer: Yes that's right.
(As I have shown you already Muhammad changed God's word he made himself a so called prophet.)
Answer: That's your opinion.
If Muhammad was not a Prophet, why were his followers growing more and more? Are they like you who only follow your own will what you wish?
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
|
Don't come talk me about genealogies cover up you know as good as know it it one of Muhammad's serious blunders to mistake Mary as the sister Aaron Muhammad was not mistaken when said this Allah knows best. Aaron was from the tribe of Levi. Mary was from the tribe Juda.
Just only one of numerous erros in the Quran that Muhammad everything inthe Quran is an huge error like this. The Hadiths just corfirm his blunders and errros.
Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I
shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him
in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a
way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it
setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a
people.
Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the
Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He
asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle
know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.
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Peace maker,
You said: (Don't come talk me about genealogies cover up you know as good as know it it one of Muhammad's serious blunders to mistake Mary as the sister Aaron Muhammad was not mistaken when said this Allah knows best. Aaron was from the tribe of Levi. Mary was from the tribe Juda.)
Answer: If you say like that, what about the statement in the Bible as follows?
Luke 1: 5 "In the time of Herod, King Judea, was a priest named Zechariah from the group of Abijah. His wife also comes from the descendants of Aaron, his name is Elisabeth"
As for the background of Maryam (Jesus' mother), she was a daughter of Hannah binti Faqudz (sister-in-law of Zechariah). This means that Mary (Jesus' mother) had blood relations with the wife of Zechariah, namely Elisabeth, a descendant of Aaron as stated in Luke 1: 5.
So the Quran 19: 28 exactly is not wrong, it's just a prejudice sought by people who are jealous of the truth of the Quran as if the Quran is a fake.
Oh yes, what is your answer if God has in-laws ?
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You are just trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad waht about the sun sets in a mrky pool where did sun sets with Noah's flood.
Muhammad's error with Noah's fourth son that so called drowned in the flood.
Sura 11:42-43
So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like
mountains,
and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself
(from the rest):
"O my son! embark with us, and be not with the
unbelievers!"
The son replied: "I will betake myself to some
mountain: it will save me from the water."
Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command
of Allah,
any but those on whom He hath mercy!" And the waves
came between them,
and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
And Noah called
upon his Lord, and said:
"O my Lord!
surely my son is of my family!
and Thy promise is
true,
and Thou art the
justest of Judges!"
Sura 11:45
Allah's answer is:
He said: "O
Noah! He is not of thy family:
For his conduct is
unrighteous.
So ask not of Me
that of which thou hast no knowledge!
I give thee
counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"
Sura 11:46 |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 11 April 2020 at 4:50pm
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(Quran 18: 83-86 and Sunan Abu Dawud 3991)
(You are just trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad waht about the sun sets in a mrky pool where did sun sets with Noah's flood.)
Answer: The verse and the hadith are true. When we see the sunset where in front of us there is water like the sea, a pool of water, then our vision is as if the sun sets into the water. A question like this will not affect one's faith in becoming polytheists. So, I'm not trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad, but to convey the truth of Allah's words.
Sura 11:42-43
Answer: Yes, Sura 11:42-43 is true. Because according to Allah that the family is those who surrender only to Allah (like Jesus)
That's my answer. Now what is your answer to my question: Does it make sense if God has in-laws ?
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 13 April 2020 at 5:22pm
asep garutea wrote:
(Quran 18: 83-86 and Sunan Abu Dawud 3991)
(You are just trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad waht about the sun sets in a mrky pool where did sun sets with Noah's flood.)
Answer: The verse and the hadith are true. When we see the sunset where in front of us there is water like the sea, a pool of water, then our vision is as if the sun sets into the water. A question like this will not affect one's faith in becoming polytheists. So, I'm not trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad, but to convey the truth of Allah's words.
Sura 11:42-43
Answer: Yes, Sura 11:42-43 is true. Because according to Allah that the family is those who surrender only to Allah (like Jesus)
That's my answer. Now what is your answer to my question: Does it make sense if God has in-laws ?
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Very good question brother.
Brother we don't realy know who was the in-laws Allah to reveal his three daughters All Uzza Al Lat Manat grandparrents the Quran did not say anything about Allah's in-laws but only speaks about his daughters. Allah haven't revealed to Muhammad who his wife was only his daughters. Surah 53:19 Have you ever thought about al-Lat and al-Uzza, Suran 53:20 and about the third deity, al-Manat? Ye I think it make sense about Allah's in-laws. But may be one day Allah will tell is who was his father in law brother, and his mother in law what do you think?
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 9:18pm
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
(Quran 18: 83-86 and Sunan Abu Dawud 3991)
(You are just trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad waht about the sun sets in a mrky pool where did sun sets with Noah's flood.)
Answer: The verse and the hadith are true. When we see the sunset where in front of us there is water like the sea, a pool of water, then our vision is as if the sun sets into the water. A question like this will not affect one's faith in becoming polytheists. So, I'm not trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad, but to convey the truth of Allah's words.
Sura 11:42-43
Answer: Yes, Sura 11:42-43 is true. Because according to Allah that the family is those who surrender only to Allah (like Jesus)
That's my answer. Now what is your answer to my question: Does it make sense if God has in-laws ?
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Very good question brother.
Brother we don't realy know who was the in-laws Allah to reveal his three daughters All Uzza Al Lat Manat grandparrents the Quran did not say anything about Allah's in-laws but only speaks about his daughters. Allah haven't revealed to Muhammad who his wife was only his daughters. Surah 53:19 Have you ever thought about al-Lat and al-Uzza, Suran 53:20 and about the third deity, al-Manat? Ye I think it make sense about Allah's in-laws. But may be one day Allah will tell is who was his father in law brother, and his mother in law what do you think?
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If you believe that Jesus a son of God why do you say "(Ye I think it make sense about Allah's in-laws.)"
(But may be one day Allah will tell is who was his father in law brother, and his mother in law)
When will Allah tell it to us ? Do we have to wait until the end? What about people who have died first? Today, there are hundreds of thousands of people death of coronaviruses in the world, when will they hear it ?
(what do you think?) If God has a son and has in-laws, then God's position will be weak.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 04 June 2020 at 7:38pm
asep garutea wrote:
Peace maker wrote:
asep garutea wrote:
(Quran 18: 83-86 and Sunan Abu Dawud 3991)
(You are just trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad waht about the sun sets in a mrky pool where did sun sets with Noah's flood.)
Answer: The verse and the hadith are true. When we see the sunset where in front of us there is water like the sea, a pool of water, then our vision is as if the sun sets into the water. A question like this will not affect one's faith in becoming polytheists. So, I'm not trying to cover up the blunders of Muhammad, but to convey the truth of Allah's words.
Sura 11:42-43
Answer: Yes, Sura 11:42-43 is true. Because according to Allah that the family is those who surrender only to Allah (like Jesus)
That's my answer. Now what is your answer to my question: Does it make sense if God has in-laws ?
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Very good question brother.
Brother we don't realy know who was the in-laws Allah to reveal his three daughters All Uzza Al Lat Manat grandparrents the Quran did not say anything about Allah's in-laws but only speaks about his daughters. Allah haven't revealed to Muhammad who his wife was only his daughters. Surah 53:19 Have you ever thought about al-Lat and al-Uzza, Suran 53:20 and about the third deity, al-Manat? Ye I think it make sense about Allah's in-laws. But may be one day Allah will tell is who was his father in law brother, and his mother in law what do you think?
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If you believe that Jesus a son of God why do you say "(Ye I think it make sense about Allah's in-laws.)"
(But may be one day Allah will tell is who was his father in law brother, and his mother in law)
When will Allah tell it to us ? Do we have to wait until the end? What about people who have died first? Today, there are hundreds of thousands of people death of coronaviruses in the world, when will they hear it ?
(what do you think?) If God has a son and has in-laws, then God's position will be weak.
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Allah three daughters why can't you answer that? Allah's possition is more weaker cause he is not a living god dead idol of Muhammad.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 22 June 2020 at 11:44pm
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You don't need to make this up because almost all humans know that Muslims's God has no children and not begotten.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 11 September 2020 at 4:24pm
asep garutea wrote:
You don't need to make this up because almost all humans know that Muslims's God has no children and not begotten.
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Ibliss is more mightier than Allah cause he can have offsprings. Satan has a number of children which help him and almost all of his children have chosen the same path as he has and thus have been cursed and rejected as well, except for a few of them; like one who lived during the time of the Grand Messenger Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and through him embraced Islam. Just like human beings Satan also has offspring. This has been pointed out in the Quran and in narrations from the Ahlul-Bait (P.B.U.T.). "When We said to the angels, 'Prostrate before Adam,' they prostrated, but not Iblis. He was one of the jinn, so he transgressed against his Lord's command. Will you then take him and his offspring for guardians in My stead, though they are your enemies? How evil is a substitute for the wrongdoers!" In Allameh Majlisi's book, "The Heavens and the Earth", which is one of the volumes of Baharul Anwar, he states: There is a hadith where Allah says to Iblis "I will give no child to Adam unless I give one like him to you, and every human has a 'twin' satan like itself." Goal of Satan's children in this world, is just like Satan's own goal to misguide mankind, so surely cursing Satan also means cursing his offspring as well. Of course, nearly all of Satan's offspring are such, with the exception of a select few which have become Muslim. In this same book from Allameh Majlisi it states: The Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) was asked, "Do you have offspring of Satan from amongst you?" He replied, "Yes, yet God has helped me to make him Muslim" From the Quran it is gathered that Satan's offspring and tribe's guardianship (or authority) that is mentioned in the Quran is of little significance. For example; perhaps one of them may have [some] influence and or authority upon certain persons but not others, or upon certain actions and not others, or they have no actual authority at all rather their authority is delimited to helping and assisting the main Satan (Iblis)PBUH and he is the root of all evil deeds that mankind may do.The main Satan (Iblis)PBUH was from the jinn, and since in one place in the Quran it has been mentioned that Satan has offspring and in another place it has attributed death and demise to them, then it becomes obvious that jinns also have reproduction, because the precondition of every living organism which has offspring and death is that it can reproduce. Of course the question which will remain unanswered (as it has not been mentioned in the Quran) is whether or not the reproduction of jinns is like that of other creatures via intercourse or by another means? |
Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 25 February 2021 at 9:05am
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Answer:
The power of iblis is limited, because only Allah Ta'ala can create iblis.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ could not be influenced by Satan, and Islam is the religion of all Prophets, only differences in the language used by the Prophets. All the prophets only surrendered and worshiped to Allah Ta'ala, in Arabic is called Islam, maybe in Aramaic and others are called differently.
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Posted By: Peace maker
Date Posted: 12 May 2021 at 6:58pm
asep garutea wrote:
Answer:
The power of iblis is limited, because only Allah Ta'ala can create iblis.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ could not be influenced by Satan, and Islam is the religion of all Prophets, only differences in the language used by the Prophets. All the prophets only surrendered and worshiped to Allah Ta'ala, in Arabic is called Islam, maybe in Aramaic and others are called differently.
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Really thats what you think your Allah is the almighty God AKA Muhmmad in disguise created Ibliss more powerfull then Allah.
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Posted By: asep garutea
Date Posted: 07 June 2021 at 6:16pm
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I have said many times that the Prophet Muhammad was human, just like the other prophets, so not God. You're just assuming blindly without any evidence, or is this your trick to avoid the truth of God's teachings?
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