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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Servetus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 February 2006 at 2:32pm

(Ketchup:)  " ... my upbringing also teaches me that beastiality is wrong on every level."

I do not mean to turn this thread into one of my book reports, but Robert Bork, in his either alarmist or alarming Slouching Towards Gomorrah argues that (I paraphrase) such absolutist and morally loaded concepts as right and wrong are increasingly giving way, in an at best amoral (when not immoral), legally relativistic society (USA), to legal and illegal.  Those latter two, as we all know, are prone to change and are not determined by religion but by the courts .

I appreciate your response and enjoy talking to you.

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Originally posted by Servetus Servetus wrote:

(Ketchup:)  " ... my upbringing also teaches me that beastiality is wrong on every level."

I do not mean to turn this thread into one of my book reports, but Robert Bork, in his either alarmist or alarming, Slouching Towards Gomorrah, argues that (I paraphrase) such absolutist and morally loaded concepts as right and wrong are increasingly giving way, in an at best amoral (when not immoral), legally relativistic society (USA), to legal and illegal.  Those latter two, as we all know, are prone to change and are not determined by religion but by the courts .

I appreciate your response and enjoy talking to you.

Best regards,

Serv 

 

That doesn't sound like the sort of book I would read but any way.. you are correct as morals are good but ultimately every thing is governed by law.

 

Assuming this is factually correct.. though it doesn't cover every country,  it is interesting to see that from this list the UK has the toughest laws..

Quote http://www.totse.com/en/law/justice_for_all/beastlaw.html

STATE/COUNTRY  VAR  LAW  SN         &nbs p;         &nbs p;         &nbs p;  PEN

USA LAWS

       Alabama: C  YES   Code of Ala. @13A-6-63   "sodomy in the 1st degree"
                           (1994)                     criminal offense.
        Alaska: C  NONE
       Arizona: C  NONE
      Arkansas: C  YES   Ark. Stat. Ann.          Criminal Offense:
                           @13A-6-63 (1994)         "sodomy in 1st degree"
    California: C  YES   Penal Code Section 286.5 Misdemeanor
      Colorado: C  NONE
   Connecticut: C  YES   General Statutes of CT   Class A misdemeanor
                           Sec. 53a-73a          ;    Sexual assault in the 
                                                       fourth degree.
      Delaware: C  YES   11 Del. C. @777 (1993)   Class D Criminal felony.
       Florida: C  NONE
       Georgia: C  YES   O.C.G.A. @16-6-6 (1994)  1-5 yr. jail sentence.
        Hawaii: C  NONE
         Idaho: C  YES   Idaho Code @18-6605      "length of imprisonment in
                           (1994)                     excess of 5 years is left
                                                        to discretion of court."
      Illinois: C  YES   720 ILCS 5/12-12 (1994)  Crime.
       Indiana: C  YES   Burn Ind. Code. Ann.
                           @35-42-4-2 (1994)
          Iowa: C  NONE
        Kansas: C  YES   K.S.A. @2103506 (1993)   Aggravated criminal sodomy
                                                       security level 2, felony
      Kentucky: C  NONE
     Louisiana: C  YES   Revised Statutes 14:89   $2,000 fine and/or 5 years
                                                       with or without hard labor.
         Maine: C  YES   17-A M.R.S. @ 251 (1994) Class C Crime; 3-5 years
      Maryland: C  YES   Unnatural/Perverted      up to $1,000 fine,
                           Sexual Acts Article 27,  Max of 10 years PT
                           Section 553
Massachusetts: C  YES   Mass. Ann. Laws.         Jail sentence of not
                           ch. 272 @34 (1994)       more than 20 years
      Michigan: C  YES   MCL @750.185 (1992)      Jail sentence of not more
                                                       than 15 years
    Minnessota: C  YES   Minn. Stat. @609.294,    Either fine of not more
                           (1993)                    than $3,000 or sentence of
                                                       not more than 1 year.
   Mississippi: C  YES   Miss. Code. Ann.,        Sentence of not more than
                           @97-29-59        &nb sp;       10 years.
      Missouri: C  NONE
       Montana: C  YES   Mont. Code. Ann.,        10 year sentence and/or
                           @45-5-505 (1994)         $50,000 fine.
      Nebraska: C  NONE
        Nevada: C  NONE
New Hampshire: C  NONE
    New Jersey: C  NONE
    New Mexico: C  NONE
      New York: C  YES   NY CLS Penal @130.20     Class A misdemeanor.
                           (1994)
North Carolina: C  YES   N.C. Gen. Stat. @14-177  Class I felony.  3-10 years
                           (1994)
  North Dakota: C  YES   N.D. Cent. Code          Various penalties, and can
                           @12.1-20-03, 12.1-20-07, be considered either
                           12.1-20-12(1993)       &n bsp; "gross sexual imposition,"
                                                       "sexual assault" or
                                                       "deviate sexual act"
          Ohio: C  NONE
      Oklahoma: C  YES   21 Okl. St. @886 (1994)  "imprisonment not to
                                                        exceed 10 years"
        Oregon: C  NONE
  Pennsylvania: C  YES   18 Pa. C. S. @3101,
                           3123 and 3124 (1994)
  Rhode Island: C  YES   R.I. Gen. Laws @11-10-1  7-20 years.
                           (1993)
South Carolina: C  YES   S.C. Code Ann.         &n bsp; 5 yrs jail and/or fine of
                           @16-15-120 (1993)        at least $500
  South Dakota: C  NONE
     Tennessee: C  YES   Tenn. Code. Ann.
                           @39-13-501 (1994)
         Texas: C  NONE
          Utah: C  YES   Bestiality 76-9-301.8    Class B Misdemeanor
       Vermont: C  NONE
      Virginia: C  YES   Va. Code. Ann.         &n bsp; Class 6 Felony
                           @18.2-361 (1994)
    Washington: C  NONE
Washington DC: C  YES   DC Code @22-3502 (1994)  Fine not more than $1,000
                           ("Sexual Psychopath"     and/or sentence of not
                            chapter)        &nbs p;       more than 10 yrs
West Virginia: C  NONE
     Wisconsin: C  YES   Wis. State. @944.17      None listed
                           (1993)
       Wyoming: C  NONE

========================[C - LAWS IN OTHER COUNTRIES]

        Canada: C  YES   Criminal Code of Canada  Approx 10 years
                           Part V, Section 160.
                           <URL:http://canada.justice.gc.ca/>
       Denmark: W  NONE
       Finland: W  NONE  -           ;           ;    -
        Mexico: C  NONE  according to Franz, Carl:
                           "The People's Guide to Mexico", 1988. pg. 398.
   New Zealand: C  YES   Crimes Act of 1964       Maximum 7 years PT
                           Section 143 & 144
   Switzerland: W  NONE
United Kingdom: C  YES   Sexual Offences Act of   Life imprisonment
                           1956, Section 12(1)      (typically 30 years)
                           Sexual Offences Act of
                           1967, Section 3(1)

To me it is wrong to others it isn't.  To me having sex with an animal is just as bad as having sex with a small child.

 

Its good talking to you too Serv, it is refreshining.

Kind regards.

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I only regret that I was so flipp-ant when first addressing this.

What are the chances of anyone developing a relationship with a dolphin? Get a grip!

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About the same chances as some one marrying one I'd say.
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"I only regret that I was so flipp-ant when first addressing this.  What are the chances of anyone developing a relationship with a dolphin? Get a grip!

Well, Tim, you were excusably flipp-ant and I will be happy to get a grip when I am finally fin-ished with this discussion.  At this rate, as I see it, the impulse toward the final legal recognition of interspecies marriage, at least within secular societies, will not, I predict, be slowed by the fact that one�s chances with a dolphin are next to null.  I grant that there might be flaws in my logic here, but, for that matter, my chances (for marriage) with Greta Sacchi are none too favorable either!

 

I depart this conversation for now. 

 

"So long and thanks for all the fish!"

 

Serv  

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