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    Posted: 05 December 2017 at 7:42am
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Greetings abuayisha,

I have had a good many trials this past year.  That is why I have been absent.
Thank you kindly for your greeting and for asking. 
I hope that you have been well.
asalaam alaikum,
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever
"I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis
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Caringheart, how have you been?
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You are right!.Also there have been a lot of myths and misconceptions about the whole affair.Initially Shia was started a s a political divide and by now it has become a spiritual divide (in terms of belief-at least among some sects of it unfortunately)


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Quote ...enjoin what is good and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah....' (Al Quran 3:110)

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. (the words of Paul in his letter to the Romans)

I just feel the need to share this...
when I saw that verse from the qur'an it rang familiar...
and so often I have spoken with muslims who reject the Bible because they reject Paul of the Bible who brought the Word of God....
and yet here we see that the qur'an has used the very same words (in slightly different form) that Paul first brought to us.

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Originally posted by IslamLearner IslamLearner wrote:

Dear Brother ,To understand Islam just like any other religion or field of knowledge you need to understand it from its authentic resource,, just like if you want to understand about Astronomy you will refer to Astronomy book, similarly to understand any Islamic query you need to understand it in context of Quran. you can go to Quran.com to refer to English translations Quranic view is that ( not my view but Quranic view ) : 1. God send same religion to (Adam, Noah, Moses, Jesus ...) PBUH  and all other known messengers till Mohammad PBUH, 2. It means in strict Quranic context there has been only one religion send by God from Adam till last Messenger3. The concept of one God can be found in all major scriptures Shia vs Sunni ---------------1. First thing to notice Prophet Mohammad never claim himself shia or sunni 2. It started from political dispute when one group of muslims wanter Ali to become caliph where as majority of muslims elected Abu Bakar as caliph 3. One group wanted Ali to be caliph because he was from Prophet's family ( Ali was son of Prophet's uncle)4. until that point there was disagreement but label of sunni or shia was not official thing 5. These disagreements remain and get stronger until death of Usman and finally after brutal killing of Imam Hussain and his companions6. That was the point when some scholars from muslim society emerge and label of Shia get invented and the rest got label of Sunni Quranic verdict on Sunni or Shia ? ---------------------------------------1. Quran don't teach or motivate to divide islam in any sect2. Even relgions like Judaism / Christianity are sects of Islam from Quranic point of view, e.g. Messenger on Jews was send by God to spread message of Islam ( remember in light of Quran there was only one religion since Adam )but later Jews and similarly Christians label themselves with Judaism and ChristianityWhy there was only one religion since Adam ? ----------------------------------------------------Strictly from Quranic context because Quran said it that God send only one religion on face of earth from beginning and Quran chooses the world "Islam" for religion which God send since Adam Why Islam is consider as religion of peace ?------------------------------------------------1. Again we are talking about Islam , not muslims, bad muslims good muslims are everywhere just like good christians bad christians everywhere 2. There are Quranic verses on humanity , that killing of one equivalent to killing entire humanity and then Quran also talk about how to provide shelter and escort women, children and elders in war situation 3. Off course Quran does not teach you to do noting if you get attacked and your life and family is in danger and Quran teach you to protect yourself defensively. 4. There are some verses about killing non muslim which is greatly misunderstood without considering its context, again those verses are mentioning war situation with non muslims who were severe enemies of muslims that time and wanted to destroy them5. Apart from battle field situation with enemies Islam does not allow any muslim to harm any other muslim or non muslim and killing an innocent is one of the most major sin Islam  




Asalaam O Alaikum IslamLearner,

Thank you for sharing all these kind words. You are correct and there is no doubt that religion in the sight of God was always Islam (i.e. Submission to the Will of Allah). However intellectual dissension is part of human nature and Allah (swt) brings our attention towards it. Disagreements is part of human nature. The entire mankind cannot become exactly same. In other words everyone cannot be a a Muslim in the absolute sense of this word.

“… And if Allah had so willed, He could surely have made you all one single community …”
(Qur’ān, al-Māidah, 5:48)

Also Allah (swt) does say in several places in the Quran that other nations such as Jews, Christians, Sabians and others have believers within them, those people have faith. They are not following Islam but Allah (swt) does bear witness to some of those nations as people having faith and has not termed all of them as disbelievers i.e. those who rejected faith.

“VERILY, those who have attained to faith [i.e. Muslims], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous deeds – shall have their reward with their Lord-God; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.”
(Qur’ān, al-Baqarah, 2:62)

Nevertheless that should not keep us i.e. Muslims to not continue the Dawah mission for we should continue doing Dawah by our actions and words as Allah (swt) has given us the job to bear witness to the truth after Rasool Allah (SallAllahu alaihi Wassallam). The final decision of their fate will be by Allah:

“You (Muslims) are an excellent community evolved (by divine wisdom) for the sake of mankind, (provided that you) enjoin what is right, forbid what is wrong, and believe in Allah. (Quran Al Imran 3:110)

Some points to think.

Similarly the Shia and Sunni split was a historical incident due to political factors of that time but it has left a permanent mark on this Ummah. Generations of Muslims have followed for several centuries each thought and its almost impossible to make them exactly one. Therefore as Muslims they need to focus on righteousness, good deeds, instead of focusing on each groups faults and wrong. They need to focus on these words ...Your are an excellent community ....enjoin what is good and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah....' (Al Quran 3:110)

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abuayisha,

JazakAllah for sharing such a beautiful hadith.
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On this board there are endless threads on differences with respect to jurisprudence, however let us pray that blood isn't shed because of this. At the end of the day I certainly hope for the tawfeeq of the following hadith.

From The Hadith Of Mu`Adh. Allah's Messenger (Pbuh) Said, "Oh Mu`Adh, Do You Know The Right Of Allah Over His Slaves And What The Slaves' Right Is Over Allah?"

     I (Mu`Adh) Said, "Allah And His Messenger Know Best."

     He (Pbuh) Said, "Allah's Right Over His Slaves Is That They Worship Him And Associate Nothing With Him, And The Right Of The Slaves Over Allah Is That He Who Does Not Associate Anything With Him Will Not Be Punished." [Related By Al-Bukhari]
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