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from an article I was reading and my resposnses.
Questions to ask myself before I publicly wonder whether Muslims condemn terrorism: 1) Do I know any Muslims in real life that I can ask? This is why I come to islamic forums. 2) Am I actually following any Muslim activists, scholars or leaders on social media outlets? 3) Am I assuming that if Muslims are not condemning violence done by other Muslims 24/7 in the medium that I personally follow, so that I can see it when I check into FB or Twitter at a time convenient for me, then that means Muslims support terrorism and are inherently violent people because of their religion? 4) When I meet a person of a different faith is my immediate assumption, �This person is Catholic, he must be a child molester� or �This Jewish woman hates all Muslim children and wants them to be bombed� or �This person is a Christian, he must want to steal the money of gullible old white ladies who think the Rapture is imminent?� Or is my assumption when I meet people is that they believe all these things are abhorrent and that we share these basic values? Yes, prior to 9/11 people did just go blissfully along accepting people into their countries, believing that all human beings share common core values... 9/11 changed all that. Seeing young muslims going to join the barbarian forces changes that. Now people do not trust islam and its adherents. 5) If some people of a faith tradition have committed criminal acts, even if they claim it�s done in God�s name, does it automatically mean that every person of that faith tradition supports crime? No. But it causes me to take a look at what their faith teaches, and to seek out the people to ask them how they interpret their faith. 6) This Hindtrospectives blogger sure sounds mad. She claims that Muslims have been condemning all kinds of Muslim terrorism for over at least over a decade on every medium available to them. Is it up to me to find these condemnations, or is it up to them to make sure I see the thousands of condemnations they�ve issued in the past? Both. 7) Do I know what a search engine is? If so, I wonder what will come up when I type �Muslims condemning terrorism?� I plan to do that next. Was that too snarky? Oops, sorry. Here�s a make-up present for you � Sunni and Shia British imams denouncing ISIS together. That clip has less than 40,000 views � can we work together to change that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKjAt6lIlgY Edited by Caringheart - 28 August 2014 at 11:34am |
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We see here more proof of where you get your information from and how poor your research skills are. Your prejudice and propaganda are only going to fool people like yourself, who think at an elementary school level. First, you made a pathetic appeal to authority in your defense of Mr. David French. Not only did you not answer my question as to where he got his information from about "thousands" of Muslims joining ISIS, but you instead pontificated on his supposed credentials such as his education. Whether he graduated "cum laude" does not answer the question. And as for the "American Center for Law Justice", anyone who actually bothers to research this organization will quickly learn of its ties to right-wing Christian fundamentalists. Here are some facts: 1. The ACLJ was established in 1990 by...(drum roll, please)...Pat Robertson. Yes, you read that right. It was founded by Pat Robertson, the crazy fundamentalist host of the 700 Club! [http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-center-law-justice] 2. The Southern Poverty Law Center, a well-respected organization (as opposed to the ACLJ), has noted that the ACLJ has been instrumental in spreading the "Creeping Shariah" conspiracies and is a driving force behind the recent moves to pass legislation to ban the practice of Sharia Law. The SPLC states: "Voters in other states may soon have to decide where they stand on the question of forbidding their judges to consider to Shariah law. Lawmakers in at least six states � Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah � made campaign promises to introduce similar proposals. Legislators in Wyoming and Texas have already introduced anti-Shariah resolutions, and the conservative American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) has pledged its support to states that need help writing and defending anti-Shariah laws. Jordan Sekulow, director of ACLJ international operations (his father, Jay, is the group's chief counsel), is soliciting signatures for an online petition to ban Shariah law in U.S. courts. According to The Christian Century, Sekulow is also "advising" Oklahoma State Sen. Anthony Sykes, who co-authored and co-sponsored the resolution that became S.Q. 755. While the ACLJ pursues its multi-platform anti-Muslim agenda, Awad also is fighting the battle on more than one front. In the court of law, he is on the offense. But in the court of public opinion, he must strike a careful balance between making his case against the law and being sensitive to the plight of his co-religionists across the state. When Awad first came to Oklahoma, he believed that drawing attention to people spouting anti-Muslim vitriol would shame them into silence. But just a few months in the state have shattered that illusion, he told the Intelligence Report. "Some people," he said, "can't be shamed."" 3. The SPLC also has noted that the ACLJ tends to cooperate with other extremist Christian organizations: "Sponsors include SIOA, Gaffney�s Center for Security Policy, Joseph Farah�s far-right online publication World Net Daily (WND), and the ironically named Religious Freedom Coalition, which declares itself �dedicated to the equality of all mankind and the freedom of religious expression.� Among the co-sponsors are the Traditional Values Coalition (another relative newcomer to the anti-Shariah bandwagon that has long been listed by the SPLC as an anti-gay hate group); Pat Robertson�s American Center for Law and Justice, which has been active in pushing anti-Shariah legislation; and Vision America, a network of �Patriot pastors and Patriot Partners� with a history of gay-bashing." [http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/10/26/the-crying-shariah-game/] 4. The SPLC also noted that Mr. David French, the previously mentioned "valedictorian" () has spoken at events held by some of the above organizations. This is how the SLPC described French's speech at one such event: "Many of the speakers � particularly Americans who had spent time
overseas, such as David French of the American Center for Law and
Justice, who specified that the enemy is �jihadist Shariah� � stressed
that there is a difference between radical Islam and law-abiding
Muslims. Yet the overall message of the conference was that no Muslim
who attends mosque can ever really be trusted." So, as we can see, the "American Center for Law and Justice" is just a front-organization for Christian fundamentalist nut-jobs like Pat Robertson. And since "Caringheart" seems to get most of her information about current events and Islam from such sources, there should be no doubt (if there still was any) about what her motivations are. She is here to spread the propaganda and lies of her fellow Christian fanatics. As the saying goes: "A man (or in this case, a woman) is known by the company he/she keeps." |
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Too bad that these overlapped.
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Right, as if that changes anything about you. Your answers to the questions show just how prejudiced and ignorant you are. "I plan to do that next"? You mean you haven't done it yet? After all this time making bogus claims about Muslims "running" to join the "barbarians"? After all the bogus references to right-wing Christian nut-jobs? |
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I am honest.
You accuse me of going to biased sources. I think the above article shows that is untrue. How much time do you have in your day? and how much time do you dedicate to being fair? to looking at both sides? asalaam. Your responses say alot about you. Here, I wrote this earlier today; You know what would convince me islamispeace? If any muslim would try to forge a friendship with me rather than being rude and attacking. That is why I came to the forums, because I thought muslims would talk to me. But I have found few who try to converse. I find much attacking. It is that which shows me the true heart. Any muslim who has reached out with politeness and civility, to explain and to increase understanding, has given me hope, but it has been far outweighed by those who are hostile, rude, and attacking. This does not convince me that I can live well with muslims. Just like Yshwe's words; 'you will know those that are mine by their fruit' Edited by Caringheart - 28 August 2014 at 1:01pm |
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No one wants to be "friends" with a phony. Sorry, that is just the way it is. If I wanted to hear mindless droning, I would befriend an air-conditioner. You have brought the ridicule on yourself. I have said this many times already. You pretend to be interested in learning but most of your posts show the exact opposite. And I certainly don't care what you think about Muslims. You can think what you want. But when you try to spread misinformation about Islam and Muslims, you can expect a fitting response. |
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