What is the Anti-Christ in Islam

Islamispeace

... I see no reason for any rational person to ever consider Christianity as a viable religion to believe in.

Yes, can you imagine that 80% of the world population thinks the same about Islam ?   

Aaah, forgotten, they're all mislead

Edited by airmano - 08 October 2014 at 8:16am

islamispeace wrote: caringheart wrote: I can also understand why you have difficulty accepting Christianity.  You are not alone in that.  There were many that could not accept the teachings of Yshwe. Indeed, such as the Gentile Christians whom Paul gave special exemptions.

Greetings islamispeace,

No.  I was referring to the early Jews.  I was referring to this:

These are the words of Yshwe as recorded in the book called John:

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


a teaching which correlates with the teaching of Christ, recorded in the other 3 Gospels;

then He broke bread gave it to His disciples and said, take this and eat
    this is my body which is given up for you
then He took the cup, gave it to His disciples and said, take this and drink of it
    this My blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant

when you eat this bread and drink this cup
this is my body which is given up for you
do this in memory of Me

Matthew 26
And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples,
2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


the Jews always had what was called a table of the shewbread in the Temple or Tabernacle...

Showbread (Hebrew: לחם הפנים lechem haPānīm‎, literally: "Bread of the Presence"

I think I remember hearing once that Yshwe said, 'I am that shewbread'.

The study of the shewbread is an interesting study also.


Was Yshwe once again speaking in parables?
or does God dwell with us still, in the bread and in the wine?

caringheart wrote: If you are correct and He did not say the things that are attributed to Him, His teaching is still a good one to follow... for the good and betterment of mankind.. and the building of brotherly love, which leads to the higher Love of the One who created.

islamispeace wrote: In that case, the truth is useless and people should only follow what makes them feel better, regardless of whether it is just a pipe dream or not.  I would rather follow the truth than deceive myself into living my life based on a lie.

What is Truth?
I would say the Truth is apparent by what it produces, but bad things were produced in the name of Christianity once...
just as bad things are being produced in the name of islam now.
So what is Truth?
We must discern, and I believe it is according to Yshwe's Word... 'you know by the fruit'... if the Word produces good fruit then it is guidance from God.

I think you make my point... we must be careful to discern, what is Truth... that is why I say 'let us seek Truth together'. 

asalaam,
CH


Edited by Caringheart - 08 October 2014 at 11:16am

Caringheart wrote: Actually, I do not seek to find fault with the islamic religion.  Accepting Paul has nothing to do with my view on islam.  In fact I see much of what Paul taught as being very much in line with muslim thinking. I don't need to fault islam to hold to my belief in Yshwe.  In fact if I were ever to reject Yshwe I would still not accept islam as the correct path.  I feel that I can see very clearly how islam was prophesied.  I am rather inclined towards Buddhism.  I think Yshwe taught much as the Buddha taught. asalaam and blessings to you, CH

I've come to this in my mind more than once

The trouble I see with islam
Islam stands on deconstruction
Whereas, Christianity builds on Judaism
islam in order to stand, must deconstruct
therefore it must stand on rubble
Christianity and Judaism stand on a firm foundation... neither tears down its foundation


as regards the dispute over Paul;

Yshwe Himself was one who taught that the laws of man were of no matter...
Yshwe Himself, in the pharisees eyes, broke the law... because He was showing that He, God's Law, is higher than the things which men regarded as God's law.
He 'worked' on the Sabbath, healing men
He and His Disciples ate with 'unwashen hands'
Yshwe was showing that He was higher than the laws of men...
so we have to ask and determine for ourselves, was Yshwe a false prophet?
This is why He so angered the Jewish religious leaders and people...
He behaved as above their laws... the laws they proclaimed as from God Himself... but were they laws of God, or laws of man... given by Moses for the good of men.
Wasn't Yshwe trying to show that while the laws of Moses were important, there was a higher Law meant to govern mens hearts... hearts first.
It wasn't Paul who changed things... Paul taught as Yshwe taught.



Edited by Caringheart - 10 October 2014 at 8:23am

Caringheart wrote: islamispeace wrote: "Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." "So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds." I thought I would address these two things also. You do understand that 'the sword of my mouth' is a reference to God's Word... the scriptures... 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: As to the second; you understand that it is a reference to the consequences of following evil ways (i.e., allegorized as Jezebel) those who are sexually promiscuous suffer the consequences of those actions in the form of sexual diseases... diseases which also cause infertility and miscarriage, not to mention abortion.  People suffer the consequences of immoral actions... ('a bed of suffering', loss of children and child bearing capability)

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them�bring them here and kill them in front of me."

I guess that's also "allegory", eh?

Jesus: "Kill them!" 

Christians: "What, do you mean literally?"

Jesus: "Er, no.  I was just being facetious."

Christians: "So, how should we kill them?"

Jesus: "Er, kill them with kindness.  Yeah, that's it.  Kill them with kindness!"