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Nausheen
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Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem, Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,
And how should you treat a forniator in Islam? - a fornicator in a secular country? - I do not really know what sharia can really be applied on such people. The very first thing that Islam says is to have compassion for those who wrong their souls. Pray for them, that they may receive guidance. If you really care for these women, and want to do something about it, you should try to send an effective an purposeful message. We are living in times when correcting the wrong, with ones own hands will not be easy, and the least level of Imaan would be to consider it wrong in one's own heart - many responses you have received so far also indicate this. You are not wrong in hating their sin. However you should still give these people respect as human beings. Those who believe in Islam but do not have amal saleh (righteousness in deeds), are still muslims. They are not mo'min as long as they do not believe and follow, but we should treat them as our fellow muslims. On the otherhand if a muslim does not consider a serious sin as sin, then indeed he has denied the word of allah. Am not sure if this person will be considerd a kafir, but for sure he/she is a munafiq (a hypocrite).
When we sin, just admitting it will not make us mo'min. We should work constantly to correct our mistakes, and guard ourselves against returning to them. And, if we busy ourselves in these matters, we will learn how much work is needed on our own selves. Most of the times this realisation humbles people and they start seeing the sin of others in a different light. You are right, these sisters are in sin, but do you think your attitude of rejection is giving them any message? If it is, do it for the sake of allah, if not, then do something else. Look into yourself to see if your behavior can guide them. Anger alone does not help. Anger with adl (justice) channelised in the right direction is how muslims should react in social crisis like these. Maa salaama, Nausheen |
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candor
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Your anger is understandable but all the Muslim women are not going to marry non-muslim men. And the good muslim women will certainly not marry non-muslims. Its absurd to get irritated too much about it. Perhaps you should try to ignore/neglect them. Edited by candor |
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Muslim Friend
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Exactly. Let us all look at our own mistakes before we point our finger at others.
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O Allah! Bless Muhammad and let his be the place close to you on the day of Resurrection.
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Jenni
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Maybe people can invite these couples in to thier circle and bring the
husband along to eid and other festivites, wouldn't it be better to be
a good kind example and pray he becomes Muslim???? Shouldn't we be more
concerned about the future of thier kids??? These people will probably
leave islam because of all the hate they recieve. But if people were
kind and he converted than maybe a hard situation could be made
better.. Peace
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Mishmish
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Assalamu Alaikum Aisha: Why do you think you feel so much anger? Are you unhappy in your life? |
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It is only with the heart that one can see clearly, what is essential is invisible to the eye. (The Little Prince)
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aishag88
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I feel the same way all the time, that same angar. But I don't think its my place to say if you are right or wrong.
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Muslim Friend
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OMG?!!! Unhappy, can i just ask what makes you such a good muslim?? You've done nothing but be malicous, backbite, cause hurt and your proud of yourself. You are purposefully hurting the feelings of these people and feeling that what your doing is good and better. I'm probably correct in saying, that your pride has led you to sin in so many ways. Feeling that you are better than someone just because your a muslim is soooooooo wrong. Look at the prophets uncle - he was not a muslim - but he helped the prophet in so many ways - he will have the lightest punishment in hell - but he was never a muslim!!! I'll count just a few of your sins for you now, so that next time you think before you do something. To become abusive and to use profane language is a sin. To declare any muslim a sinner or Kaffir To maliciously accuse and slander someone To gossip and backbite against either muslims or non-muslims. To taunt and criticise the faults of others. To discontinue talking to a fellow muslim for more than 3 days without a valid islamic reason
I strongly suggest you look within yourself first. They may have committed a mistake, but they could also maybe convert the people they married. You need to be more humble as a person. Edited by Muslim Friend |
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fatima
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bismillah irrahman irrahim Assalamu alaikum well unhappy i agree with u on one thing, u feeling bad bout what they done. n u r absolutely right cos their marriage is not lawful in islam so they commitin fornication. but on the other hand ur feeling that it insults u is quite strange cos we as muslims are allowed to hate r dislike act (not the person but act) for sake of our lord so if u state that islam allows it n its for sake of ur lord so where do u come in the equation another thing im quite sure bout is those girls migh belong to so called "modern islamic families" n might not hav been told all of their lives rights n wrongs in islam. so instead of treatin them like u do try to talk some sense in them. its not bout u its bout our dear lord if u love ur lord (i think u do) then turn this anger in something more constructive. As a muslim we should have enuf luv n taqwa of our lord to forget bout "me" n try to spread our lord's message in a way that other people like it n take it on board. cos if u insult some1 n then tell them u r wrong n even somewhere in their heart there might b feelings they r wrong they still wont admit it cos u hurt their ego. n a person of this world has more ego. we should be bearer of light for people n crush this ego of ours for sake of our lord. lastly i know many sisters hav stated that there r many non-muslims betta than muslim brothers. i dont agree, a person who is not recognisin his lord might b betta in sense of this world but it dont mean that u justify this sinful act with such explanation unhappy lastly a muslim should be contempt with blessings of his lord not UNHAPPY wassalam |
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