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 Posted: 04 February 2013 at 4:13am |
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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
NT instructs to follow the OT OT forbids swine NT doesn't allow swine = swine is forbidden in the Bible Jesus(as) was a staunch follower of the OT. Matthew 5:17-19 Luke 16:17 Christians conveniently relying on Matthew 15:11 or Mark 7:15 to eat pig is shameful. You're implying that Jesus(as) eats anything and everything. والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته Edited by Rational - 04 February 2013 at 4:23am |
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Caringheart
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Posted: 04 February 2013 at 12:06pm |
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Greetings Rational, Actually He wasn't. He sat down to eat with tax collectors and prostitutes. He ate without washing, and was accused of doing work on the Lords day when He and the Apostles were picking wheat to eat as they walked in the fields... and also because He healed on the Sabbath. These are the things He was constantly accused of because actually he flouted the law of the Pharisees. He was trying to show the foolishness of following empty laws which the heart was not behind. To show that it was the heart that determined the acceptability of a behavior. Salaam, Caringheart |
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Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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Posted: 04 February 2013 at 2:53pm |
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Caringheart, that is not a command. And the fact is that there were laws that God taught to His people. Moses, David and Jesus (pbut) all followed some laws and rules and told their people to do the same. What you failed to show is a command that cancelled the dietary requirement put in place for those who followed the OT and Jesus was one of them. Of course the heart has to be clean as well, and that was nothing new either. That teaching always was and is a part of being an honest believer. So that quote does not nullify the command to not to eat or touch pork. Hasan |
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Posted: 04 February 2013 at 6:01pm |
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Ahh, shameful is a judgement based on the negative conotations inposed on pork.
There is no implication against Jesus as He was Jew who would have no idea what pork even tasted like. Let's not forget what Jesus said in 3:50 To add insult to injury Jews were forced to slaughter pigs in the temple by the Greeks. Then RamBam started the rumors that pigs are filthy, wallowing their own feces, will eat anything, and cause diseases. His prediction was that if people started eating pork their homes would become as filthy as pig stys. The big pig freakout. Didn't happen like RamBam said, then again he wasn't a prophet. I've mentioned monkey brains and horses and nobody flinched, but pork... Cute little domesticated pets that they are...(can you imagine). A couple more things to add to the pile; Note both Leviticus 11:7 and 8, then again in Deuteronomy 14:8 says the same thing, "is unclean to you." Does not say "Is despicabley unclean, wallowing in it's own do do, diseased, etc... Says "Is unclean, to you". Unclean to the Jews. Remember that there were some things forbidden to the Jews because of their disobiedience? K, nobody has a list of that stuff. What Jesus said; "And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me." (3:50) We don't have any official "God given" lists either way but if camels and hares came off the list what else did? Hares do eat their own poop so I'd guess that's not an issue of uncleanliness. Perspective... We went over the ruling the Jewish Elders of the temple of Jerusalam made for the Gentile dietary law didn't we? At least twice? |
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Rational
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Posted: 05 February 2013 at 8:19am |
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But Caringheart is using Matthew 15:11 and Mark 7:15.
Was Jesus (as) talking about food in those verses? What if he meant 'words' heard and 'words' spoken? And if Jesus (as) was talking about food, does this mean that he is making everything lawful? Everything is clean? I think it's simple, the OT says don't eat swine. Where does Jesus make swine lawful? Did he ever reverse the law given from the OT? I believe that he did make things lawful that were forbidden, but where did he make swine lawful? Edited by Rational - 05 February 2013 at 8:21am |
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Posted: 05 February 2013 at 2:38pm |
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Greetings Rational,
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:For me it is very clear what Jesus was saying. To quit making such a fuss over the transitory things of this world and start paying attention to the deeper issues of the heart.
Salaam, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 05 February 2013 at 2:41pm |
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Webber
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Posted: 05 February 2013 at 11:37pm |
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Words heard come in thru the ears. Words spoken can defile a man so fast...
Legit question, is everything now clean?What ever goes into your stomach goes thru the acid test. Not much survives, think about it. Modern science tells us what's poison, including vegitation which looks like the Israelites were either privy listed, or left to find out on their own. I very well know what an aversion Muslims have to swine. It's not something likely to change either, Muslims will always hate anything associated. I was asked at the beginning of this thread if I eat pork and my answer was yes. Reason being I can't say no if I remember eating it in my past, nor reserved to say it will never happen again, but also mentioned it is not part of my regular diet. If once kafir, always kafir, call me Kafebber, whatever. I know, I churn that aversion, and poke for responses like I'm some big pig eatin advocate, but not so, and please know that I would never encourage a Muslim to go against his laws. I was in a Timmy's with a friend one day, he ordered something with bacon in it. My friend asked the kid making it if he'd ever eaten bacon. The kid, (obviously Muslim) said no but he had heard it was very good. I asked him what he would do after he ate it. We made eye contact, no words, he thought about it, I scared him with what he was thinking. Chances are he'll never try bacon, even if prompted again. I don't know about you but I thank God for using me on such occasions. Did anyone read as far as Deuteronomy 14: 21?
Anything that dieth of itself is unclean. Just like pigs and camels. An Israelite was not allowed to eat it but could give it to a Gentile who lived in the city, or sell it to a Gentile outside of the city. Obviously God did not make these laws for Gentiles or the ruling would have been to bury it, or something more along those lines. This is a bold enough statement to say God never made dietary laws for Gentiles. If He never made them in the first place, you won't find anywhere where He changed them, and no reason to go looking for them. It's about time to drop the gavel on this one. BTW, the reason you are allowed to eat hare is because they eat their feces. Comforting thought.
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Posted: 06 February 2013 at 6:35am |
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But if you follow Jesus (as), he never ate pig? Or did he?   Edited by Rational - 06 February 2013 at 6:40am |
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Rational wrote:
It's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth ... (these are the words of Jesus) </span><span ="st">The Ethiopic version renders it, "it is not what enters from without into the mouth of man, which can defile him; but only what goes out of the heart of man, this defiles ...</span>http://bible.cc/mark/7-15.htmSalaam,Caringheart