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Greetings Rational,
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
For me it is very clear what Jesus was saying.
To quit making such a fuss over the transitory things of this world and start paying attention to the deeper issues of the heart.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

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Edited by Caringheart - 05 February 2013 at 2:41pm
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But Caringheart is using Matthew 15:11 and Mark 7:15.

Was Jesus (as) talking about food in those verses? What if he meant 'words' heard and 'words' spoken?

And if Jesus (as) was talking about food, does this mean that he is making everything lawful? Everything is clean?
 
I think it's simple, the OT says don't eat swine. Where does Jesus make swine lawful? Did he ever reverse the law given from the OT? I believe that he did make things lawful that were forbidden, but where did he make swine lawful?



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Ahh, shameful is a judgement based on the negative conotations inposed on pork.
There is no implication against Jesus as He was  Jew who would have no idea what pork even tasted like. Let's not forget what Jesus said in 3:50
To add insult to injury Jews were forced to slaughter pigs in the temple by the Greeks. Then RamBam started the rumors that pigs are filthy, wallowing their own feces, will eat anything, and cause diseases. His prediction was that if people started eating pork their homes would become as filthy as pig stys. The big pig freakout.
 
Didn't happen like RamBam said, then again he wasn't a prophet.
 
I've mentioned monkey brains and horses and nobody flinched, but pork...
 
Cute little domesticated pets that they are...(can you imagine).
 
A couple more things to add to the pile; Note both Leviticus 11:7 and 8, then again in Deuteronomy 14:8 says the same thing, "is unclean to you."
Does not say "Is despicabley unclean, wallowing in it's own do do, diseased, etc... Says "Is unclean, to you".
Unclean to the Jews. Remember that there were some things forbidden to the Jews because of their disobiedience? K, nobody has a list of that stuff.
 
What Jesus said; "And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me." (3:50)
We don't have any official "God given" lists either way but if camels and hares came off the list what else did?
Hares do eat their own poop so I'd guess that's not an issue of uncleanliness.  
Perspective...
 
 
 
 
 
We went over the ruling the Jewish Elders of the temple of Jerusalam made for the Gentile dietary law didn't we? At least twice?
 
I'm a Gentile.
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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Originally posted by honeto honeto wrote:

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I understand that. What seems to be the issue is:
Jesus was a Jew, according to Christians, and Jews follow what God commanded them in the OT. So to say that one is a Jew, but not follow the Jewish law is....?
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I'm butting in I know, but... WinkIt's not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth ... (these are the words of Jesus) </span><span ="st">The Ethiopic version renders it, "it is not what enters from without into the mouth of man, which can defile him; but only what goes out of the heart of man, this defiles ...</span>http://bible.cc/mark/7-15.htmSalaam,Caringheart


Caringheart,
that is not a command. And the fact is that there were laws that God taught to His people. Moses, David and Jesus (pbut) all followed some laws and rules and told their people to do the same. What you failed to show is a command that cancelled the dietary requirement put in place for those who followed the OT and Jesus was one of them. Of course the heart has to be clean as well, and that was nothing new either. That teaching always was and is a part of being an honest believer. So that quote does not nullify the command to not to eat or touch pork.
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Originally posted by Rational Rational wrote:


Jesus(as) was a staunch follower of the OT.

Greetings Rational,

Actually He wasn't.  He sat down to eat with tax collectors and prostitutes.  He ate without washing, and was accused of doing work on the Lords day when He and the Apostles were picking wheat to eat as they walked in the fields... and also because He healed on the Sabbath.  These are the things He was constantly accused of because actually he flouted the law of the Pharisees.  He was trying to show the foolishness of following empty laws which the heart was not behind.  To show that it was the heart that determined the acceptability of a behavior.

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NT instructs to follow the OT
OT forbids swine
NT doesn't allow swine

= swine is forbidden in the Bible

Jesus(as) was a staunch follower of the OT.

Matthew 5:17-19
Luke 16:17

Christians conveniently relying on Matthew 15:11 or Mark 7:15 to eat pig is shameful. You're implying that Jesus(as) eats anything and everything.

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It would seem that all scripture has taken on aspects to fit the culture to which it was given.
I do believe however, that Jesus did teach that belonging is not in the things which we eat, or in the way we wash, but in having a pure spirit.

Have mercy on me, O God,
    according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy
    blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
    and cleanse me from my sin!

3 For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
    and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words
    and blameless in your judgment.
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,
    and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.

7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
    wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Let me hear joy and gladness;
    let the bones that you have broken rejoice.
9 Hide your face from my sins,
    and blot out all my iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,
    and renew a right spirit within me. - Psalm 51


So what is the law of belonging to God?
I think the answer is love... loving one another... having a right spirit and a pure heart.
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Edited by Caringheart - 03 February 2013 at 11:49am
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Burger King just admitted to mixing horsemeat into their burgers. Their suppliers did and BK knew about it, so it's a big scandal now although the first 9 minutes of comments say there's nothing wrong with horsemeat. Certainly not something popular here.
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