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Webber
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The OT was a record of how the Israelites became Jews. Not that I want to take away from the worth of it all, but I'm not a Jew, never was, never can be even if I tried, why am I stuck with their laws? Let's not forget how far these "laws" have come. I grew up with a diet that was obviously healthy enough to keep me alive and it wasn't Kosher. Could I consider the 10% increase in grocery costs to go kosher as my tithe?
I mentioned, (probably in another thread) I'm a Pauline Christian. That's where us Gentiles fit in best. Halal isn't kosher so you don't have to worry about the OT list either however I'm not sure how you got out of it. Considering Jesus said he came to allow some of what was forbidden both Christians and Muslims look to Him for these changes. The command from Jesus you've been asking us for (the new clean list including swine) would no doubt included camel as well, right? |
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Rational
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So Webber and Caringheart, you don't follow the OT.
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Placid
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Hi Rational,
Jesus said In Matthew 6: 31 �Therefore do not worry, saying, �What shall we eat?� or �What shall we drink?� or �What shall we wear?� 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. In Surah 3, Jesus said: 49 --- AND I DECLARE TO YOU WHAT YOU EAT, --- and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe; 50 "I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. --- AND TO MAKE LAWFUL TO YOU PART OF WHAT WAS BEFORE FORBIDDEN TO YOU; --- I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. --- (Notice that this allows for changes for Christians, from the Law of Moses.) And at the meeting in Acts 15, where they gave instructions for the Gentile Christians in Antioch in Syria, --- James the half-brother of Jesus officiated at the meeting, and all the Apostles were in attendance, so all of these Jewish leaders, wrote this letter in Acts 15: 28 For it seemed good to --- the Holy Spirit, --- and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Let�s compare this list to Surah 5: 3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than God; that which hath been killed by strangling. So the simple understanding should be that Gentile Christians were always allowed to eat Pork, --- whereas Muslims, in the Quran, are instructed not to. Placid |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Rational,
Your question has been asked and answered many times over. I'm afraid you just don't have 'ears to hear'. That's ok, there certainly is no reason for you to take up eating pork, or for you to worry about my soul because I do. Peace to us all, Caringheart |
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Webber
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No.
We have no law from God to say swine was unlawful for Gentiles, therefore nothing to reverse, no statement required.
Edited by Webber - 09 February 2013 at 7:04pm |
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Rational
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Thanks Caringheart and Webber for your replies. But the question was:
Do you have the statement from Jesus (as) where he made swine lawful? (yes/no) I really didn't ask for anything else. If you don't have this statement from Jesus (as), just say so. Please just answer yes or no. Edited by Rational - 09 February 2013 at 5:26pm |
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Webber
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Well said Caringheart.
The difference between a reason and an excuse is whether one is willing to accept the explanation. From the time the Jews were given their dietarty laws, it was proven the laws did not include Gentiles. Jesus never gave Gentiles dietary laws. There was no dietary laws for Gentiles until after Jesus, when the Jewish Elders said to Paul, "Tell them this...". They knew the Gentiles ate pork, never mentioned it. The Quran gives you the same list the Gentiles got with a specific addition of pork. From the OT list the Jews developed "Kosher" which is more than food, but an entire process. As I see it a Halal diet is very much the same, an organized expansion of what the Quran actually says. Christians were taught to ask a blessing on their food before eating. Works for me. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Rational, I guess you would like to surmise that I am acknowledging that Jesus did not eat pork, but as I said, we don't know what Jesus ate other than fish, bread and wine. I do want to follow Jesus completely. The phrasing, if you read and understand what I wrote is, "if I wanted to become a Jew". So it's not about following Jesus... it would be about choosing to follow the Jewish mitzvot and following Jewish practices. We must remember, however, that Jesus challenged the Jewish practices. I am following Jesus completely, just as a gentile, not a Jew. Jesus is the new covenant, the good news, the new thing that God was doing, which supercedes the old testament. I believe in what Jesus taught and He taught that it is not the letter of the law but the spirit. 6 ... not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.You are right it's what I was taught, and I believe in what Jesus taught. I don't believe God is going to send me to hell for eating pork. I believe God is way more interested in what is in my heart, than what I put in my stomach. The laws God gave to the Jews were for a purpose, for the good of His people. Everything in the scriptures has been given as a guide for our good, they are not things that affect God, but ourselves and our well being. This is why God has given them. There is no harm today in eating pork. I believe I also shared how this was likely a law given to the Israelites as they left Egypt in order to prevent their returning since pork was the main part of the diet in Egypt. Salaam, Caringheart * added by me for clarity and understanding Edited by Caringheart - 08 February 2013 at 9:28am |
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