FMG

Begbie wrote: Not on my part. You keep saying it is "optional". It is not optional for the 3 year old girl being pinned down though is it ?

Yes "optional" according to people's customs and not according to Islam. Can anyone blame Islam for the cultural habits of different people of this world? I don't think so. 

AhmadJoyia wrote: Here is another statement from the link you have provided by anothor Islamic scholar on the same issue "Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam." But it still ALLOWS it and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam. Francis Begbie

I think, this new webpage quite categorically makes this thing clear that this practice is not from Islam. I don't know from where the impression of "still ALLOWS it" comes in? Not from this web link at least. 

 But definitely "and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam" is total exaggeration. Hence your assertions are nothing but false.

Edited by AhmadJoyia

It is unfortunate the way this debate is heading. Instead of openly condemning this practise I find now that there is a distinction made in the way this heinous practise is performed. When Allah and His Prophet have not sanctioned this practise the debate should end with open condemnation. Though it is cultural it is the Muslims in certain countries that are practising it and every scholar should condemn it outright. I see a subtle defence of this practise and it is not surprising that it is coming from some of the male quarters. The real sufferers from this are the innocent and helpless females especially children whose rights have been snatched from them even before they can speak and understand.

I do not see any ignorance on the part of the questioner.

My Feeling on this is That Probaly should be forbidden in islam, What is the Moral Behind it. Males are cucumsized to follow the covenent of abraham. there is no need for this. This is Not Sanctioned by Allah. Were you there When He Commanaded Thus? It is Allah Who gives plesure and pain. Wold you then Rob some one of the gifts and Graces Allah has Given?
Peace

Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

hafezabutaleb

If you do not know the reason behind it then do not comment, if you do not know on what basis the law in the shafii madhhab has been established then what are talking about.

It is Allah Who gives plesure and pain. Wold you then Rob some one of the gifts and Graces Allah has Given?

this clearly shows your ignorance of what female Circumcision entails, it does not take away the womens ability to enjoy marital relation, mutilation does but as i have clearly said and shown they are not the same thing.

Maryga do you know what a madhhab even is?

what pretence are you talking about, can you tell me on what basis the shafii madhhab has made this ruling what are the reasons?

do you even know the procedure that is being discussed, and why you are calling  it mutilation.

if not then nothing you have said is of value only emotional outbursts due to a lack of understanding of the matter.