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b95000
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Is someone who kills innocent people a true Muslim?
Is someone who defends a professing Muslim who kills innocent people a true Muslim or holding to true Muslim principles? Is someone who defends the cause of the professing Muslim who kills in the name of the cause innocent people, whatever that cause may be, a true Muslim or holding to true Muslim principles? If these ones are not Muslims, or not holding to true Muslim principles, then why should the Ummah be concerned about unity with them? The Ummah should not be concerned about unity with people that do and say things that are not holding to true Muslim principles. In fact they should break unity with such ones. Unity should be had and promoted among those holding to true Muslim principles. One question about the muhahadeen that you mention were killed by the Pakistani military is whether they are acting in accordance with Muslim and Islamic principles or whether they are supporting un-Islamic principles. As a general rule, people that act with un-Islamic thought (for example to support violence against innocent unbelievers - which is unIslamic) bring themselves into conflict. Those that don't conduct themselves against Islam do not come into conflict but instead commend the true nature of Islam to all those around them. Why are these mujahadeen being killed if they are conducting themselves according the true Islamic principles? Is Musharaf opposing Islam itself or is he opposing elements claiming to be Muslim but not acting in accordance with Islam (and thereby not truly Muslim?) I don't like to hear that people are being killed - but such conflicts often result when people hold adamently to extreme type views - such as supporting sermons and teaching that advocate resisting the west by killing the innocents in the west instead of resisting the west by showing the superior way of faith and life to the western way of life.. That is the way to truly resist elements of western hedonism.. Edited by b95000 |
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Whisper
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Just a pure simple case of uniting against the bigger evil, the bigger killer with more aircrafts. Understand? Or you want a real Pathaan dose for laxating a Neo Con? |
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b95000
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Saddam killed his millions of innocents (basically anyone that breathed the wrong way or looked up at him in the wrong moment)...YET you are silent about him...THE SHAME! The US, in all the mixture of their moral strength together with their complicity and weakness morally (YES!) have ousted him and in the process unleashed other forces that have rushed into the vaccuum. And yet the US stays to help clean up the WHOLE messy situation and there will be a second election with millions upon millions of Muslim voters, following a very successful parliamentary vote in Afghanistan. And yet Sasha sides with Saddam and Mullah Omar and Osama and, within his sort of atheistic honor roll, decries the 'evil' of Amereeka...and somehow, again within his atheistic honor roll (hear, hear the great Bertrand Russell he says) comes running to the defense of Islam...how can atheism defend or side with Islam - I ask that simply.. Does anyone smell something fishy going on in all of this? Some lacking logic, integrity and consistency? Yet I'm painted as an agenda driven wonk? Edited by b95000 |
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The faithful do not need to promote unity because Allaha unites them with true faith. As for sects and groups who feel threatened and increasingly more exposed these days try desperatly to unite upon enimosity and feeling threatened, they feel that they are losing ground so they talk about "the danger" islam(?) is in and how threatened it is and how much the need for unity is. This kind of unity is a fake one, because to unite upon enimosity and feelings of being under threat is the way of the losers....let me ask you this..who and who's party "unites upon animosity and being under threat"? the true enemy of mankind and his party is the answer....i return with Allaha from the shaitan the cast one(a'uthu bi Allaha mina ashaitaani arrajeem) The threat is from Allaho so if you feel threatened fear Him and take a way to Him. |
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mohammad
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Dear b9500 i would like to reply your initical / first post b9500 Wrote Quote (Is someone who kills innocent people a true Muslim? R :- Surely being a Human / Muslim we can not support the innocent killers, but it also calls the query that why they (Nowadays mostly blaming for such type of attack are the Muslim groups) do like this, when we trying to search the answer of this �Why� then we can understand. In the current circumstances the answer of this �Why� is very clear. When the world powers & who called themselves most civilized will not hesitate to take the life of the innocent people on the name of war against terrorism including children, women in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir and many other part of the world, When they will not feel shame what they did with the prisoners, When they try to satisfy their nations with this argument that �we are fighting the war broad from our cities for the safety of our people�, When they feel happiness after devastation of the cities with the usage of high homicide technology. So tell me what�s wrong, if a single bomb blast in their cities, they start the crying, if they love with their life, why they are not thinking that where they(Americans / Westerns) are killing the people, may they also want to live. Are they not human? Actually such attack remind them a lesson of these countries that if you will do wrong in any part of the world you must be ready for it in your home. b9500 wrote Quote (The Ummah should not be concerned about unity with people that do and say things that are not holding to true Muslim principles. In fact they should break unity with such ones. Unity should be had and promoted among those holding to true Muslim principles.) R:- As well as my opinion concern that we should support the such type of people those are trying to reply the cruelty of the Americans & Westerns, because when they (American & Westerns) will also pay the life of un faulted citizens, then may they realize the pain of those innocent people who are slaughtered by them in other part of the world like Iraq etc. Then also may their people put pressure on their nonsense rulers stop the slaughters of innocent people campaign in the world.
b9500 wrote Quote I don't like to hear that people are being killed - but such conflicts often result when people hold adamently to extreme type views - such as supporting sermons and teaching that advocate resisting the west by killing the innocents in the west instead of resisting the west by showing the superior way of faith and life to the western way of life.. R: Yes no body want or support the violence, everyone wanted the peace. But how? You should pass this advice to the Americans & Westerns, who are follow the aggressive policies to stop the killing of innocent people on the name terrorism. Right now this is very important that American & Westerns review their extremist polices towards Muslim. If they will not keep off invaded campaign of the Muslim countries, then the peace in the world will be a dream, can not become a reality, resistance blaze can be raid the Americans and Westerns cities also.
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so so true, music to my ears |
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b95000
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Thanks, well said..lasting unity cannot be created under duress - it must be created under constructive circumstances - through loyalty and faith in God and building community. The question is never, ultimately, what is wrong and what is evil...the question and the response and purpose of life is, given what we know about what's right and wrong, how shall we then live (constructively and for God and His ways, precepts, purposes and statutes. Edited by b95000 |
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Bruce
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