Just a pure simple case of uniting against the bigger evil, the bigger killer with more aircrafts.

Understand? Or you want a real Pathaan dose for laxating a Neo Con?

The faithful do not need to promote unity because Allaha unites them with true faith. As for sects and groups who feel threatened and increasingly more exposed these days try desperatly to unite upon enimosity and feeling threatened, they feel that they are losing ground so they talk about "the danger" islam(?) is in and how threatened it is and how much the need for unity is. This kind of unity is a fake one, because to unite upon enimosity and feelings of being under threat is the way of the losers....let me ask you this..who and who's party "unites upon animosity and being under threat"? the true enemy of mankind and his party is the answer....i return with Allaha from the  shaitan the cast one(a'uthu bi Allaha mina ashaitaani arrajeem)

The threat is from Allaho so if you feel threatened fear Him and take a way to Him.

Dear b9500

i would like to reply your initical / first post

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(Is someone who kills innocent people a true Muslim?
Is someone who defends a professing Muslim who kills innocent people a true Muslim or holding to true Muslim principles?
Is someone who defends the cause of the professing Muslim who kills in the name of the cause innocent people, whatever that cause may be, a true Muslim or holding to true Muslim principles?
If these ones are not Muslims, or not holding to true Muslim principles, then why should the Ummah be concerned about unity with them? )

R :-    Surely being a Human / Muslim we can not support the innocent killers, but it also calls the query that why they (Nowadays mostly blaming for such type of attack are the Muslim groups) do like this, when we trying to search the answer of this �Why�  then  we can understand. In the current circumstances the answer of this �Why� is very clear. When the world powers & who called themselves most civilized will not hesitate to take the life of the innocent people on the name of war against terrorism including children, women in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Kashmir and many other part of the world, When they will not feel shame what they did with the prisoners, When they try to satisfy their nations with this argument that �we are fighting the war broad from our cities for the safety of our people�, When they feel happiness after devastation of the cities with the usage of  high homicide technology. So tell me what�s wrong, if a single bomb blast in their cities, they start the crying, if they love with their life, why they are not thinking that where they(Americans / Westerns) are killing the people, may they also want to live. Are they not human? Actually such attack remind them a lesson of these countries that if you will do wrong in any part of the world you must be ready for it in your home.

b9500 wrote Quote

(The Ummah should not be concerned about unity with people that do and say things that are not holding to true Muslim principles.  In fact they should break unity with such ones. Unity should be had and promoted among those holding to true Muslim principles.)

R:- As well as my opinion concern that we should support the such type of people those are trying to reply the cruelty of the Americans & Westerns, because when they (American & Westerns) will also pay the life of un faulted citizens, then may they realize the pain of those innocent people who are slaughtered by them in other part of the world like Iraq etc. Then also may their people put pressure on their nonsense rulers stop the slaughters of innocent people campaign in the world.

b9500 wrote Quote

I don't like to hear that people are being killed - but such conflicts often result when people hold adamently to extreme type views - such as supporting sermons and teaching that advocate resisting the west by killing the innocents in the west instead of resisting the west by showing the superior way of faith and life to the western way of life..

R: Yes no body want or support the violence, everyone wanted the peace. But how? You  should pass this advice to the Americans & Westerns, who are follow the aggressive policies to stop the killing of innocent people on the name terrorism. Right now this is very important that American & Westerns review their extremist polices towards Muslim. If they will not keep off invaded campaign of the Muslim countries, then the peace in the world will be a dream, can not become a reality, resistance blaze can be raid the Americans and Westerns cities also.

Christians bombing Iraqi restraunst from b52 bombers are true christians. And irradiating iraq and afghanistan with depleted uranium is the nature of being a true christain. just like the true christains    who wiped out  red indians with small pox and the Christains crisaders who massacred women and children In jerusulum

And true christains who masacered Muslism in Spain and force dthem to convert.

True Christians who dropped Atom bombs on japanese civilains.

 They were   christains and true to their religion. Dont you have soem Muslims to kill or are you just taking a break or arent you a true christian?

B: Greetings dear Mohammad of Pakistan.  I wish peace upon you and your family.  Be blessed with God's hand..

 Dear b 9500 Thanks, and same wishes to you and your family.

Were Iraq and Afghanistan better off under their former leaders or under elected leaders and (more) freedom going forward?

As the ground realities showing the former leadership of both invaded countries Afghanistan & as well as Iraq were hundred times better than the currently imported leadership.

In Afghanistan the Taliban ruling was the exemplary. During of their rule, life of a common man was very smooth & secure through out the Afghanistan. The peace in Afghanistan can not be searched in the current history of Afghanistan as was at the time in Taliban. Even that if a man sleep under the open sky at night, he feel worriless about his life. It was also first time when Afghanistan showing the Federalism instead of Tribalism. Every decision had been taken place in Kabul under the federal Govt. & other parts of the country follow accordingly.

It was the first time when they made possible to complete stop the harvesting of posth, which is the earlier shape of the brown sugar which is a poison which is use to make young generation useless, a big number of youth were victimize including American & European young generation.

On the other hand after ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan no body is secure there, Afghanistan dividing in so many parts, The control of imported democratic president Ahamed Karzai only limited up to country capital Kabul under the shadow of foreigner armies, while out side the Kabul, every tribal are the ruler of their areas, whatever they want they are free to do, and the people passing their life on behalf of their tribal leaders. Under the imported democracy & ruler in Afghanistan they again start the harvesting of posth, and again spreading this poison through out the world. Can you ignore the facts  b 9500?

b 950000000000

you did not answer me yet what those big ships that leave iraq carry inside them

a) terroriste

b) dates

c) sand

d) Muslim Art

e) school children finishing their study abroad program

f)none of the above

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As the ground realities showing the former leadership of both invaded countries Afghanistan & as well as Iraq were hundred times better than the currently imported leadership.

Brother Mohammad, alhamd o liLah, I admire your flow and the wisdom to state the truth as it stands on the ground in both places.

He thought that if Afghanistan and Iraq became even worse then they were before the invasion, the socialists would be able to recruit dis- satisfied people for their socialist revolution, but that did not go through obviously...he is frustrated i think...

Dear Community, I normally don't respond to trash. That's why I have started to ignore your sidekick's posts. But I do have a soft corner for your condition and a lot of pity for the taste you have developed for licking American boots.

You seem to ignore facts as always and cover up by misinterpretting ayaats. If you don't know what this war and occupation is about, I genuinely pity you ever more for condoning murder from 52,000 feet.

Today, even the US president is trying day and night to find a way of getting out of these places and you are pasting your psychological fantasies on us? Go and ask the Iraqis and the Afghans what they think about your ilk.

Socialist revolutions never need dissatisfied people. They require awakened honest sociallly aware minds. You quote Qur'an everywhere on this board, now are you telling us that Islam promotes usury? Greed? And, dollar as some gaad?

The more I know you, my friend, the more I pity you and your side-kick.

Pity -

1. Sympathy and sorrow aroused by the misfortune or suffering of another.

Misfortune and suffering...whatever you think my misfortune or suffering is or maybe will be, i do not think your sympathy is very appropriate when you perceive me as being "on the wrong side", if you have faith you would realize that The Almighty has ways to either guide people or destroy them....we all have to strive for Him being pleased. There are always opposers, in this case those who wish to keep the injustice in place or see injustice as a feeding ground for their ideology, nowadays since injustice is decreasing this group makes elephants out of mosquitos and gladly takes in dishonest views and opinions as theirs just for the sake of creating opposition against that which threatens their feeding ground (dictators and their esteblishments).

"Socialist revolutions never need dissatisfied people. They require awakened honest sociallly aware minds. You quote Qur'an everywhere on this board, now are you telling us that Islam promotes usury? Greed? And, dollar as some gaad?"

socially aware minds....i believe the structure of western society and in particular the US gives chances to those who are socially aware to make a difference in their societies and possibilities for people to better theirselves and their lives, we do not need any "isms" for this but freedom to do so. See you might believe that injustice may take it's course untill people be so fed up that they gladly reach out to your socialist hand, but for me and alot of people injustice need to be dealt with when possible otherwise we will pay for it too because we did nothing to change it.

2:143 Thus, have We made of you a community in the middle (justly balancing), that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Messenger a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Messenger from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah Make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.

2:238 Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind).

i do not think your sympathy is very appropriate when you perceive me as being "on the wrong side",

Sorry, wrong number. I pity you for misinterpretting the ayaats and trying to tell us that the Qur'an allows bombing people for "changing" them!!

What's the difference then between your Extra Additional Deputy Gaad, the US, and OBL?

You are flattering yourself by thinking as if it matters to me what side you are on. I hold no desire to collect a grabage can full of warmongering Neo Con idiots.