Double Standards.

Colin wrote: To Rami and others, Whatever else he has said, I have not come across Dr Alwi using offensive terms like Nazi, bigot and racist.

Colin, he has used terms like Hizbi, extremist, ppl who treat othes like dogs, people who condone suicide bombings ..... I know he did not accuse anyone of being a Nazi, but to the limit he has gone leaves just a few things, like not calling us terrorists.

Colin wrote: I agree that his style of posting can be somewhat blunt, but he doesn't appear to any more blunt than many on this forum. The subject of Hizb-ut-Tahrir and their modus operandi would seem to me a very pertinent topic given recent events. As I said in an ealier post, issues facing Muslim communties in non-Islamic lands is a worthy topic of conversation.

Agreed. What i do not see is a conversation on this topic. The only mention of this topic has been in form of accusations at people. Surely you know there is a big difference between the two. To name one, a conversation invites ppl to talk and an accusation puts a person off right from the start.

 

Colin wrote:  little more moderate and respectful of each others opinions.

I cannot be respectful to someone calling me a Hizbi, that too without knowing me one iota .... Just presuming I am such and such and then hurling every possible accusation in my direction cannot be treated as a "respectful opinion".

On a side note, the comments you had reported twice in the past were taken care of. I will deal with this new report as well .... if you are complaining against not reading the posts to see them without your reporting them, you are right I did not read ... I read very little these days. But if you send a report, it will always come to notice faster.

Thank you,

Nausheen 

Peace To you Syed Alwi:

I will forever be tattoo by my comments towards you, some
negative some nuetral. The problem here sir is the accusations
drawn out of some of your comments however and whateevr
this is none of my business. I guess what you say politically
doesn't effect me and I don't know why. What I do draw from
your comment sis that there is some words in which are
borderline offensive to the rest and it is seen by all. Perhaps its
freedom of speech and opinion, perhaps its a way of arguing or
drawing people into arguements, but whatever it is it appears
unacceptable. I think you should accpe the fact that sometimes
what you say is offensive to some.

You may take this as a type of Muslims running away from your
comments and if you do that is truly your opinion. The point
here is that this site has rules and regulations. There is truly
and absolutely, no freedom of speech here, there is only
tolerence and the tolerence hre is dependent upon the levels
which are accepted by those moderating the forums. You must
therefore understand this reality ither respect it or perhaps start
a public forum for yourself. As for the dctor thing I understand
everyone has their opinions and people are different but a a
self-prescribed person with a doctorate I guess the
understanding here its quite odd that such a person with that
title would have extreme beliefs in politics and religion that is
my understanding and there is room for error there.

Personally, i have nothing against you and if I have truly
offended you I ask for your forgiveness but you have to
understand where everyone else comes from--just take a step
back outside your self just for this moment. BTW excuse my
grammatical errors as the buttons on my keyboard are sticking
when typing and i'm too lazy to correct my errors.

Edited by Israfil

Dr Syed Alwi wrote: I suggest that Colin be allowed to discuss these issues as they are of importance. Forget about me. Let Colin do the discussion.

If Colin is willing, by all means, the stage is all his.

Might I as well suggest that Colin monitor all opinons so that the thread not slip into extremism, paranoia, and prejudices?

Let there be no personal attack on anyone. Discuss opinions of people, not people themselves.

N

I could recall once, my Muslim brother told us, to argue with a jahil person would make our hearts dead. I cannot remember from which source he got that saying, a hadith or muktabar ulama' saying I'm not sure. Could anyone check for me please??