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honeto
Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487 |
Posted: 08 April 2009 at 3:15pm | ||||
Jouberar,
you are right, and neither the topic suggests that we are talking about miracles of the prophets. Some, on this forum when faced with unaswerable facts distract us all through this kind of tactics of theirs.
Quran is very clear, that God has helped prophets perform miracles yet those bound to reject did not benefit from them and reject them even after witnessing them with their own eyes.
But like I said, its off the topic here, so lets get back to the topic everyone.
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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JOUBERAR
Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Status: Offline Points: 573 |
Posted: 10 April 2009 at 11:48am | ||||
So you are not a disciple of Muhammad because you have never met him your argument make no sense.
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believer
Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397 |
Posted: 13 April 2009 at 5:23pm | ||||
Acts 9Saul's Conversion1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.11I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Paul's story is a miracle. Everyone knew Paul was persecuting the early Christian Church and of all people GOD chose him to preach to the Gentiles. Galatians 1
13For you have heard of my previous way of life in Judaism, how intensely I persecuted the church of God and tried to destroy it. 14I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers. 15But when God, who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace, was pleased 16to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not consult any man, 17nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went immediately into Arabia and later returned to Damascus. |
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487 |
Posted: 15 April 2009 at 1:22pm | ||||
Jouberar,
I would like to talk on some things you said:
"For your advise God chose his church leaders even today not self apointed leaders who studied at universities but real children of God and it is true that God will punish his real children if they are not obeying his law. "
If you mean servants by the word "children" and those that serve God in reality, God knows them and will reward them in the hereafter? if so agreed. And those who knowingly sin and continue sinning and do not take heed will face punishment? if so, agreed and that's how the Quran says without disagreeing with it.
But wait, I know of a verse in the Bible that does not agree with you on this, where its says: "if any sins, we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And he himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our only but also for the whole world. ??1John2:1-2
You further said:
"That is the truth thier minds are st**id and God will slander them even today if you mock God or say anything bad to him or Jesus he will kill you look back in history all the people that mocked God or Jesus were killed, "God" is still the same "God" as he was in the old testament."
I agree with you as the Quran teaches it too that those who deny God, God will deny them his mercy. And those who say blasphemous things against the one who created them will have none to help them, and will not have forgiveness later. Their chance for seeking forgiveness is now when they have not been called back to account yet, then will be too late. I am sure God does not like that someone bad mouth His chosen prophets either as you said, but I see that there is a verse in the Bible that negate this:
And whoever speaks a word against the son of man (Jesus) it shall be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven either in this world or in the world to come. Matthews 12:32
Hasan Edited by honeto - 15 April 2009 at 1:36pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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truthnowcome
Senior Member Joined: 05 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1045 |
Posted: 21 April 2009 at 1:31pm | ||||
All praises for Allah. Salaam! It�s a good while I did not visit this forum; since Bush boy lost the war I said to my self, my job is finish. However, I just decided to pay a visit, Inshallah. Believers, I thought by now u would have recognized the truth, but I guess Allah (S) did not grant u guidance as yet! I wanted to correct u on Paul message to the gentile. Please explain this to me: Isaiah 42:1 �Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.� (Iasiah.42:1) Is that Paul the bible is talking about? This is what Jesus (S) said: Jesus (S) said: �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8) Jesus (S) is saying that, the Comforter will bring Judgment to the world (Gentiles) not Paul! tnc. |
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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!
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believer
Guest Group Joined: 08 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1397 |
Posted: 22 April 2009 at 5:34am | ||||
I am not sure what you are getting at.
Are you reading the Bible in your native tongue? That might help.
Paul was judging the Christians wrongly- he was at fault, not following GOD's will but his own. He had a miraculous conversion and stopped. Paul then became a preacher to the Gentiles.
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John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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honeto
Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487 |
Posted: 22 April 2009 at 5:33pm | ||||
believer,
tnc has quoted from KJV I just checked, that's how it says. But you have failed to address his points.
Hasan
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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JOUBERAR
Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Status: Offline Points: 573 |
Posted: 22 April 2009 at 11:33pm | ||||
I agree Hasan that your sins will be forgiven but some people God use to make an example to other people that they have no end of mocking God they are making it thier living by mocking Him and H is followers, you must go and read this of Petti Wagner how they killed her and what God have done with her killers.
Murdered Heiress... Living Witness
She was kidnapped murder and still lives today. Edited by JOUBERAR - 22 April 2009 at 11:36pm |
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