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JOUBERAR
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Posted: 02 April 2009 at 8:27pm | ||
Thats quite right JESUS performed miracles you have made a big break through in discovering it he is still perform miracles today.
Let me tell about Apostle Paul he was lucky pharisee who was a great steward in the mosaic law who put God first in his live, who discover that CHRIST is thee only way to to salvation and I myself have very big respect for him for what he have been through no matter how people still criticizing him this is just to indicate that he is still suffering for Christ for what h have done against Christians 2000 years ago.
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JOUBERAR
Guest Group Joined: 13 March 2009 Status: Offline Points: 573 |
Posted: 02 April 2009 at 8:49pm | ||
Please do not take things out context before you blame Paul go and read it properly and will see what he mean he doesn't give us the green light to break the law you must still obey all the laws .
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.Edited by JOUBERAR - 02 April 2009 at 8:51pm |
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Doo-bop
Senior Member Joined: 04 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 531 |
Posted: 03 April 2009 at 3:48pm | ||
Mansoor Ali wrote:-
"So as you can see, the pagans accused the prophet Muhammad of not performing great miracles and signs. As I also mentioned, Christians themselves always bring this argument up, so hence a Christian cannot honestly take both sides of the arguments, Christian's must make their mind up. Did Muhammad perform great signs and wonders or did he not? If he did not, then he does not fit the description of a false prophet. This just shows the double standards Christians use in their arguments."
Actually, it is muslims who need to make their minds up about this. On the one hand Muhammad said that he did no miracles, but yet muslim books, hadith etc., contain accounts of miracles performed by him, such as splitting the moon in two (with one half of it falling into Abu Bakr's back yard)
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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Doo-bop
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Posted: 03 April 2009 at 3:58pm | ||
semar - your initial posts on this thread are out of order. You have produced screeds and screeds from the writings of Dr Jamal Badawi. This is wrong. Reproducing lengthy posts written by other people is forbidden by the rules of the forum
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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Mansoor_ali
Senior Member Male Joined: 25 September 2008 Location: Pakistan Status: Offline Points: 584 |
Posted: 04 April 2009 at 3:16am | ||
Here is 516-page refutation of the false apostle Paul: http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Pauline_Corruption_of_Biblical_Analysis.pdf 2: Jude's Epistle - More Evidence of rift between Jerusalem and Paul http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Jude_s_Epistle__More_Evidence_of_Rift_Between_ Jerusalem_and_Paul__.pdf 3: Was Paul or James' Church the more successful evangelists ? http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6053592/i/Was_Paul_or_James__Church_the_more_succesfull_Evangelist.pdf 4: Jesus or Paul ? - Lecture by a former Christian Priest http://islamic-answers.com/jesus_or_paul_____audio_lecture_ For more info check: http://islamic-answers.com/christianity |
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Mansoor_ali
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Posted: 04 April 2009 at 3:31am | ||
Mansoor Ali wrote:-
"So as you can see, the pagans accused the prophet Muhammad of not performing great miracles and signs. As I also mentioned, Christians themselves always bring this argument up, so hence a Christian cannot honestly take both sides of the arguments, Christian's must make their mind up. Did Muhammad perform great signs and wonders or did he not? If he did not, then he does not fit the description of a false prophet. This just shows the double standards Christians use in their arguments."
No where he said that. Miracles of Prophet Muhammad: http://muslim-responses.com/Miracles_of_prophet_Muhammad/Miracles_of_prophet_Muhammad_ |
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Mansoor_ali
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Posted: 04 April 2009 at 9:50am | ||
Here is my one of favourite articles about Paul.Taken from http://answering-christianity.com/pauls_delusions.htm Paul's Delusions: In 1 Corinthians 7:40, he claimed that he "thinks" that he has the Holy Spirit in him! The sections of this article are: 1- Paul's claim in 1 Corinthians 7:40.
1- Paul's claim in 1 Corinthians 7:40: During my debate with Dr. James White, I raised many points that left him dead silent and spinning around himself (See especially minutes 15:00 and 19:20 in the video). He even went as far as calling me a liar (again, see the minute-positions that I gave). One of those points that I silenced him on was quoting 1 Corinthians 7:40, where Paul stated that he "thinks" he has the Spirit of GOD Almighty in him. My point was this: 1- For Paul to say that he "thinks" he has the Holy Spirit, he obviously wasn't even sure 100% that he had It. 2- I gave the example by pointing my finger in the direction of where my wife was sitting and said: "For instance, I don't say I THINK I am seeing my wife. No! I see my wife! She's sitting over there. You have to speak with authority and confidence, especially when you declare yourself to be a Prophet who was sent from GOD Almighty." If I were to say that I think I see my wife, and she's only some 10-20 feet away, then this would tell you that my eye sight is poor and I would need eyeglasses. Same thing with Paul. If he wasn't even sure whether or not GOD Almighty's Spirit was in him, then we have a problem. This was one of the points that I silenced James White on during my debate with him. His sorry-reply was that I brought everything "except for the kitchen's sink." Reading between the lines: Meaning that I (James white) have no response to this point! It is also worth mentioning that James White, who happily posted all of his debates with incompetent clowns like Nadir Ahmed, has only posted his 20-minute "rebuttal" to me, which actually when you listen through it, you'll see that he was cornered and silenced on many many points, and that he was only whining. Furthermore, and as I mentioned above, James White called me a liar for quoting Paul saying that he "thinks" he has the Holy Spirit. Well, I'll let the English translations speak on this. Let us look at what Paul said:
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New American Standard Bible)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Amplified Bible)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New Living Translation)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (King James Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (English Standard Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New King James Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (21st Century King James Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (American Standard Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Young's Literal Translation)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Darby Translation)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Reader's Version)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (New International Version - UK)
1 Corinthians 7:40 (Today's New International Version) As virtually more than 90% of all English translations quoted Paul saying "I think", then obviously Dr. James White was only playing games and trying to desperately grapple his way out of the corner. I am confident that even his own Bible says "I think", which would really make it quite ironic. I will investigate this further, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing). I also want to say that when I personally get my hands on the debate files, I will post them, insha'Allah.
2- The serious issue: Now moving on to the more serious issues of Paul, I believe it is a very serious thing. Paul showed absolutely no confidence and no authority in his claims about receiving Divine Revelations. When he said "I think I have the Spirit of GOD in me," that statement virtually blew away all of his credibility as a true Prophet, because what kind of a delusional and confused person was he? And what "spirit" was really inspiring him? Or was he just having plain delusions? Historically, we've heard of many many false Prophets that came and went. Our most recent one was David Koresh of Waco, Texas - USA, where he and his followers were burnt alive by the FBI, which in return caused for the Oklahoma City bombing by, Timothy McVeigh and his other partner who was never captured, and whom the US government calls "John Doe", to happen for vengeance against the US government. He also had delusions of him being inspired by GOD Almighty. So why should Paul be any different? Furthermore, since the Bible's own theologians admit that its books and gospels had all been:
then based on what objective grounds should we even consider Paul's current books to be:
I don't see that being a valid case at all. Paul clearly demonstrated his uncertainty and doubts about whether he even had the Spirit of GOD Almighty in him.
3- Conclusion: The Bible again and again is proven to be corrupt and false. Paul was also proven again and again to be a false prophet. I personally think that since liquor back then was quite harmful to the body, because it was heavily concentrated and full of bacteria and microbes, that it might've effected his head and caused him to start hearing voices and fool and mislead many with him. Islam is the Divine Truth from Allah Almighty. I strongly recommend you visit the following links:
May Allah Almighty Lead you and your families to Islam. Ameen. |
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Doo-bop
Senior Member Joined: 04 March 2007 Status: Offline Points: 531 |
Posted: 04 April 2009 at 10:35am | ||
oh dear, more of the same from you. Copying screeds from other websites is not acceptable behaviour in forums. Anyway, "thinking" you know something does not mean you are not sure that it is true, nor does it mean that it is not true. So there. Ha ha to you.
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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