Western Values and Muslim Community

ahh but the question is.. is it Islam or their culture?

you can build all the schools you want,but the time comes each day they leave the schools and face the world.  The question i have.. unless you also seek to influence nonMuslims and help make a better society.. the issues will be there.

Immigrants face many challenges.. and often they do not understand the culture well enough to guide their kids.. and the generation separates..
its like seeing kids from Latin American countries send their kids to Catholic school the kids still intergrate.

i could even argue that the tendency to isolate is a problem and should be changed.

I do not know the British system.. but having lived in Pakistan,the culture is NOT Islamic. It is just its own version.. but living here.. the people are not really any more "Muslim." It is the cultural separation. That is the issue.

In fact also, i could say that Muslims from Pakistan need to re-learn Islam and formulate self-critical thinking skills.. which are not part of the culture. Conformism, tribalism rote-memory learning does not promote Islamic  critical thinking skills.

I bet you alot of money things have alot to do with economics.. here in the states the PAksitan community is one of the most well-off in the country. And adaption is quite easy. They don't like in high crime areas etc. So hence no gangs.. teenage aexd maybe.. but the other stuff no. Plus as they have intergrated themselves into society they participate on improving the whole community of people.  And thus build the bridges..

Issues like violence, gangs etc.. affect lower income neighborhoods. Parents do  not have the skill set to help thier kids find affective ways of navigating. We are social creatures and teens want to 'belong' and for better or for worse they want to intergrate.. so how to give them the skills to accept the good and reject the non so good..

I have no issue with different types of schools.  But we must be clear do you need pakistani schools or Muslim schools? I think maybe both.. but we should be clear that they are not synonymous with each other.

peace

Iftikhar,

as you mentioned there are Christian schools ..and you mention the high rate of sex activity as an issue.. do these students at Christians school refrain from sex more than the average population. I agree that things are a mess.. schools may help.. but i would argue it is but one step

AFAIK, Pakistani culture is, at least, not promiscous and drenched in wine like the Western culture. .

It is drenched in its own mess.  I agree it is different... but having just come from there.. it is very prolematic what i saw.

Majority of the people are illiterate. They have limited access to information and hence, they can't think for themselves.

Well the people I know and met are not at all illiterate. but they make concerted effort to retain their 'culture' because they want to be 'proud' of Pakistani culture. And continue on the same mindless vain. And since i did not talk to many illiterate people.. i cannot say. But they are excused. And keep in mind is the well to do that keep this illiteracy in place and benefit from the peoples' ignorance.   

It is a greater 'darkness' what is happening than what is happening in the west for it is Muslim oppressing Muslim.

I do agree.. most Muslims should not emigrate to the west unless they are prepared to adjust. 

But you know,alhumdillah, some of the most active and forward, go-getting people are the young Muslims in America.

Iftikhar wrote:  Britain's rate of teenage pregnancy is the highest in western Europe. This is a clear indication of broken society. It is an eye opening for the Muslim community who send their children to state schools with non-Muslim teachers.