Western Values and Muslim Community

All Christian schools teach abstinence.  For a time it was ok to teach abstinence in public schools, then the "left" complain because they say it brings religious values into school!?!

Chrsalis: how is it in Malaysia?  a well-educated society, do many peoplespeak several languages? And where do they learn them

Hayfa wrote: AFAIK, Pakistani culture is, at least, not promiscous and drenched in wine like the Western culture. . It is drenched in its own mess.� I agree it is different... but having just come from there.. it is very prolematic what i saw.

Yes, but the solution is not replacing their culture with Western culture. The solution has to be, sort of, indigenous for it to be acceptable in large scale. Their culture needs to be polished instead of being replaced.

Majority of the people are illiterate. They have limited access to information and hence, they can't think for themselves. Well the people I know and met are not at all illiterate. but they make concerted effort to retain their 'culture' because they want to be 'proud' of Pakistani culture.

I was referring to the impact education has on social environment. Equally educated people from different social environments will behave differently. In many ways, people are unconsciously influenced by how the people around them act. They seek recognition and friendship from those around them. Hence, behavior of a person is greatly affected by the expectations of people he lives with.

And continue on the same mindless vain. And since i did not talk to many illiterate people.. i cannot say. But they are excused. And keep in mind is the well to do that keep this illiteracy in place and benefit from the peoples' ignorance.

Yes, indeed. Those Western-educated jackass elites are on their way out of power and will soon be toppled.

It is a greater 'darkness' what is happening than what is happening in the west for it is Muslim oppressing Muslim.

I admit there is 'darkness' because of ignorance and lack of accountability but it's silly to blame the entire community for the mischiefs of the few. Muslims might not be as prosperous as the West, but most of them are honest and hard working.

I do agree.. most Muslims should not emigrate to the west unless they are prepared to adjust.

I said Muslims must not immigrate unless it's a necessity. If they intend to immigrate to the West to escape poverty (that is also partly caused by the mess West has created in the Middle-East and Africa) and can preserve their culture there, I would support them if they intend to take advantage of opportunities available to them in the West.

But you know,alhumdillah, some of the most active and forward, go-getting people are the young Muslims in America.

Yes, Irshad Manji is the perfect example. It has become an industry in the West to bash Islam. More you bash Islam, more upwardly mobile you become. Even sluts are better; they only sell their bodies, not their souls.

Peace Iftikhar,

The report of Britain's teen pregnancy rate is more nuanced than the way you are presenting it. In fact, the riskiest country for sex is Niger, which is 90 percent Muslim.

Iftikhar said"The truth is that more sex education and contraception are provided to children and teenagers, the more they fall pregant. Studies have shown that access to contraceptions and sex education, sexual activity and conception and prgnancy rates go up."

"A league table of teenage births in rich nations, a report compiled by Unicef's Innocenti research centre in Florence, Italy, says the United Kingdom's rate is alarmingly high and blames the British culture of secrecy and embarrassment over sex...

The low birth rates in countries such as the Netherlands reflect their more open attitude towards sex and contraception. The "double Dutch" method of using the oral contraceptive pill and condoms may partly explain why Holland has a low rate of sexually transmitted infections that is continuing to fall."

The whole article here:

http://student.bmj.com/issues/02/07/news/223.php

Edited by Jamal Morelli - 10 March 2009 at 1:46pm