What you guys running here?

 

 These are completely biased persons (anatolians). They see that Hagar was the wife of Abraham. The word wife is there. But still they deny it and want to play her down. But in the case of Jacob, they forget all. There the maids were being used at the behest of the wives. They were producing children and nobody cared about the inheritence of those children of the maids. Why is that?? It is because these people have no sense of judgement or decency. They are racial people and not just type of people. They talk of love but no justice.

 They have an antipathy towards Hagar and Ishmael. Of course Ishmael did not inherit with Issac. Abraham took Ishmael to a far away barren place in Arabia and settled him there. So both brothers inherited at different places. They inherited materially as well as spiritually.

Whereas the Israelis suffered much as slaves and bondmen and bondwomen in Egypt, the Ishmaelis never had to do such bad thing. The temple of Israelis was also destroyed by the babylonians.

Then another great reward for the Arabs: At the birth of Jesus, the Israelis were subjugated under the Roman pagan rule. Hazrat Isa a.s. could not do anything for his people and was arrested by the help of the Roman soldiers. The prophet Isa appeared in Palestine but was arrested and punished.

 No such thing happened to the prophet in Arabia because nobody was interested in occuptying the arrid (barren) Arabia. There was no king nearby to oppose our prophet s.a.w.s. So he had the severe oppostion from the related pagans only, no soldiers. That was a very wise step of hazrat Ibraheem a.s. to settle Hazrat ismaeel a.s in Arabia. Abraham had a very bad experience of the kings ( In native Iraq and egypt)  He left his son Ishmael under divine guidance in Arabia where there was no charm.

 By the time any king could wake up to the situation, the holy prophet and his  brave followers were ready to face the criminal kings and defeated the kings of Rome and Iran. Just think of another thing. When the Muslims got up, they had to face the tougher of the two kingdoms i.e. Roman king Kaisar. When Kaisar's forces were routed, the Iranian forces got the message of what was coming.

 There was no plan to attack any of the kingdom, had they behaved and let the people alone. If they had been spiritually guided and peaceful and not killed the unarmed Muslim preachers in their land then  nobody would have attacked them. But they picked the fight thinking that they had a superior better army.

 That is the history of Peaceful Islam, i.e. what it used to be.

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Alright I see no point in conversing with you three because it's hopeless for these main facts.

Didn't realise you were speaking from the Oval Office? The worlds sound very familiar.

Morshed, forget about these other two, just tell me again about the Kabaah walls. I can only discuss those as I have seen these in PERSON!

Plus, I know, Hagar was the pharao's sister + I also know the sheer fact that it was an established custom, in those days, to co-habit with a woman of your fancy and choice - the world seems to have come a full round circle - to accept Common Law wife in our present times. No?

If you are here just for fun, then just whisper to me and I will join you in that game as well. 

Alright I see no point in conversing with you three because it's hopeless
for these main facts.

Anything I will quote to you anything I provide from the Bible all the way
to a book written by a respected scholar you will denounce. And
denounce in what way? Either the scholar is an Iranian who grew up in
America or the scholar is biased against muslims. As for the Bible well the
Bible 2 billion Christians believe to be truth along with millions of Jews
who follow the Old Testament is nul and void because it was edited from
"the true text". Which so far no Muslim has ever produced or found an
original of the "real" Bible. You all say "Well no but the Qu'ran says so..."
Well this is where the problem lies. As a Christian I do not believe in the
Qu'ran. This is a fact or else I would be a Muslim, which is not hte case.
What's the point of going on and on if everything I give you is rubbish and
everything you give me is either sourced out of your own context of
whatever YOU believe is true. Nothing you have said is sourced or even
sourced correctly. You copy and paste Bible quotes from God knows
where and you expect me to buy it? The greatest thing I found
entertaining is the fact that you three (minuteman, sign reader, and
whisper) is the fact that you believe yourselves to be experts in early
civilization's customs and traditions. You form your own beliefs as to
what was the norm in those days and what wasn't. To claim that Sarai was
a "woman of law and wed Abraham to Hagar, which made Hagar equal to
herself" is ridiculous. You form these thoughts so that you won't lessen
the glory of the family branch of the Arab race. Your messages send out
an almost Hitler-like way of thinking concerning races and genetics.

If Aslan's book is filled with anti-Islamic sentiments then there must have
been an issue with CAIR and the book would have been removed. But
nothing of that has happened.

I am forced to read explanations of "Arabs were believing in a single God
then they were Unitarian, then they were Pagan, then they were confused,
then back to single God." My friends you are the confused ones. As for
me I will not waste my time responding your posts (if I can hold myself
not to.

 

  Thanks. paul who was no apostle at all did much damage to christianity and judaism too. He was a misled man enemy of Jesus. It is a pity that paul wrote such bad things about Hagar with whom Allah was much pleased. She had recieved news/ revelation too. That is written in the bible OT.

 The slavery of the Israelis in Egypt was a punishment from Allah for them for calling an honorable lady (Hagar) as a slave. The whole lot of them had to become slaves for many years in Egypt because some one called the honorable Egyptian lady as slave girl. Slaves do not have their own name. Hagar was at the most a servant in the house and she served very well and eventualy overtook Sarah and became the beloved wife of Abraham, the master.

 I knew about the children of Jacob who were from the concubines or maid servants. All the 12 children inherited everything. But in the case of Hagar, these people try to rememebr that she was not entitled and want to dis-inherit her and her children. Why??