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Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:


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How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ?


Even though in Islam there is an order to study science, both about the science of religion and other useful science. But the more precedence is the science of religion where it is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter. All Muslims believe that life in this world is only temporary, the real life is the next life (hereafter). That is one of the reasons that Islam is not so curious in demanding the science of the world or backwardness in the world science. For Muslims, the science of salvation in the hereafter should be obtained soonest because all humans do not know when the death come to pick them up.


You say the �precedence iof the science of religion is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter �. Maybe that�s why the Muslim world is such a mess? Too much Quran star gazing and not enough scientific common sense applied to daily life ?

In the Qur'an there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter and the world knowledge.

Muslims will fall apart because of two factors (internal & external), ie from within the people of Islam itself, including those who are hypocritical, and those who are lazy to seek knowledge including the world knowledge that is beneficial to themselves and others.

While external factors are those who want to destroy the teachings of Islam both openly and with other ways.

The Qur'an does not explain anything that has to do with the scientific in detail, but the Qur'an gives signs that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations that exists in this universe including those that exist in themselves, and mankind is commanded to uncover it.

But that must be remembered is that what has been informed in the Qur'an, is not all scientifically traceable, for example, can the spirit (roh) be scientifically researched ?, whereas if humans without the spirit would not be able to live, and many others examples.

Narrated Ibn Majah from Ibn Umar that someone asked the Prophet Muhammad: "O Messenger of Allah, among believers, which one is the best?" He replied: "the believer with the best moral". Then the man asks again: "If the most intelligent believer?" He replied again: "the believer who always remember his death, and best in preparing all things for the salvation in the next life, that's the smartest."

There are so many examples in front of our eyes that those who have died first, and surely we will catch up next, it could be next year, next month, next week or tomorrow, no one knows except Allah. We live in this world only temporarily, while the real life is the Hereafter as in His word.

That is one of the reasons why some of Muslims more prioritize on the enjoyment of the hereafter rather than the enjoyment of the world.

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Everything that came with the Ottoman Empire came because of the foundations that were already in place long before islam came along and conquered.

Much of the greatness of the Ottoman empire sprung out of the greatness of the Persian empire, and of the Constantine empire...
the areas which the conquerors in the name of islam, took over.


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Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ?


Even though in Islam there is an order to study science, both about the science of religion and other useful science. But the more precedence is the science of religion where it is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter. All Muslims believe that life in this world is only temporary, the real life is the next life (hereafter). That is one of the reasons that Islam is not so curious in demanding the science of the world or backwardness in the world science. For Muslims, the science of salvation in the hereafter should be obtained soonest because all humans do not know when the death come to pick them up.


You say the �precedence iof the science of religion is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter �. Maybe that�s why the Muslim world is such a mess? Too much Quran star gazing and not enough scientific common sense applied to daily life ?

In the Qur'an there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter and the world knowledge.
beneficial to themselves and others.

but the Qur'an gives signs that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations that exists in this universe including those that exist in themselves, and mankind is commanded to uncover it.



Thankyou Asep garut.
But if the Qur'an says there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter AND the world knowledge, and that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations, why is it then there are no decent universities in the Muslim world and no decent science coming from Islam ?


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Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:


Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

How come there are no decent universities in Muslim countries and no decent science comes from Islam ?


Even though in Islam there is an order to study science, both about the science of religion and other useful science. But the more precedence is the science of religion where it is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter. All Muslims believe that life in this world is only temporary, the real life is the next life (hereafter). That is one of the reasons that Islam is not so curious in demanding the science of the world or backwardness in the world science. For Muslims, the science of salvation in the hereafter should be obtained soonest because all humans do not know when the death come to pick them up.


You say the �precedence iof the science of religion is to prepare for the needs of the hereafter �. Maybe that�s why the Muslim world is such a mess? Too much Quran star gazing and not enough scientific common sense applied to daily life ?

In the Qur'an there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter and the world knowledge.
beneficial to themselves and others.

but the Qur'an gives signs that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations that exists in this universe including those that exist in themselves, and mankind is commanded to uncover it.



Thankyou Asep garut.
But if the Qur'an says there is a command of Allah to seek knowledge both the hereafter AND the world knowledge, and that humanity is commanded to contemplate all of Allah's creations, why is it then there are no decent universities in the Muslim world and no decent science coming from Islam ?

You're welcome 2Act,

The development of Muslims world science is hampered by many factors, including internal & external factors, as I've previously stated.

Thank you.



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Hi Asep
Can you please tell me what the external factors are ?

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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:


Everything that came with the Ottoman Empire came because of the foundations that were already in place long before islam came along and conquered.Much of the greatness of the Ottoman empire sprung out of the greatness of the Persian empire, and of the Constantine empire... the areas which the conquerors in the name of islam, took over.

Thanks for that Caringheart. Yes and apart from the Ottoman Empire it seems there was a flourishing of Islamic science earlier based in Bagdad and Andalusa. However it must be remembered that Islamic science had it foundations in Persian, Greek and Roman science. And there has been nothing scientifically of significance from the Islamic world for centuries.
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Hi Asep
Can you please tell me what the external factors are ?

2Act,

There are some non-Muslims who really don't like the teachings of Islam, so they always try to make Muslims not united. Because according to them, if Muslims unite will win including in knowledge other than religion. Maybe someday there will be other additional factors.

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Originally posted by asep garut asep garut wrote:

Originally posted by 2Acts 2Acts wrote:

Hi Asep
Can you please tell me what the external factors are ?

2Act,

There are some non-Muslims who really don't like the teachings of Islam, so they always try to make Muslims not united. Because according to them, if Muslims unite will win including in knowledge other than religion. Maybe someday there will be other additional factors.



When will it be that Moslems start to accept that the reason the Islamic world is not united or in any way leading the world is very little to do with the outside world and all to do with the people in the Islamic world.

You Moslems should also note that besides taking responsibility for your own political state the understanding that the West has triumphed not through unity but through disunity. It is our competition with each other at every level that has resulted in this industrial, scientific and cultural conquest of the world.

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