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iec786
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Hi,I notice you do not know much of the history of South Africa. We have been ruled by the white racist Christians for 300 years. A Muslim was not allowed to preach or have houses of worship for many years.We were not allowed to bring scholars from other country's to come and teach Islam.We were not allowed to use a lift in a building which were for whites only.The signs used to read no blacks and dogs allowed.All races were regarded as black Indian,colored, Chinese were all put into a pot as black.European, Portuguese,French,and anything white in color were classified white.The last 16 years we have freedom from the white racist,we are still in a transition period.We have a slight improvement and only time will tell.That is my experience under a Christian run state. If my country would come under Islamic rule wow we would have total rule of law.One nation freedom of religion,freedom of speech freedom of expression all this you will get but you will have to show some responsibility in all the freedoms you have.I will not treat the Christians the way they treated us.We were treated less then sub humans. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings Ismail, I guess I know a little about South Africa, and yes, I know it has not been good with British infringements there. This however has to do with British rule not Christian rule. The British have had a state defined church. That is why so many left and went to America... the same reason... freedom of religion. Christians left England for freedom of religion... the Puritans, the Quakers, the Amish, the Catholics... they all went to America. I am the first to admit I have not been a history buff until very recently. Most of what you speak of though has to do with racist issues... issues of color. I did not know that religion as well was restricted, but it would make sense under British rule. But how long ago did that end? Are you completely sure that if Islam were to rule that the same treatment would not be meted out to others? That others would not be treated just as badly as you have been treated? It would be wonderful if this would not be so. However, people of religion often have ideals that those who seize power do not follow. It has taken many years for others to evolve. Salaam, Caringheart You must be getting excited for your pilgrimage? [added note: I'm sorry, I'm running out of time for research, so I'll ask you... Wouldn't South Africa be considered a secular nation?] btw, I weep with you over the mistreatment of any human being. Edited by Caringheart - 03 September 2012 at 4:45pm |
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Caringheart
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On the topic of Understanding Islam...
On another forum was asked this question, "i was wondering how did adam and eve's children have children if they were the only ones?",which led me to reading this most interesting article. http://islamic-world.net/khalifah/mans_vicegerency.htm I think all here will find it interesting as well. Please don't judge before reading. Edited by Caringheart - 03 September 2012 at 4:42pm |
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honeto
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Caringheart, sorry I was away for a few days and just saw this post. If my Christian friends were living under Islamic law? They will be better protected then even today's US laws, where I am not protected the same. If I have a hobby of remote control planes which I do but cannot practice, I must be very careful with that just because I am a Muslim, while my fellow non-Muslim Americans can enjoy the same hobby fearless. Daily there are attacks and injustices on Muslims take place and go without notice by main media intentionally. If there is a real Islamic rule, it would protect all. In height of Islamic rule, when it was practiced to the core values, there were Jews, Christians and others lived in Muslim lands better than under even their own. Hitler, you mentioned, himself thought to be doing what a good Christian suppose to do, he was wrong but he was a Bible reader. Early Christians to the Americas claimed to be good Christians but their acts did not match with what they did to the natives, later with blacks, Mormons and others. Islam does not say to turn against people of other faiths, rather to preach and discuss in a handsome way. 16:125 (Y. Ali) Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. 2:256 (Y. Ali) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. I remember it was actually the Bible that preached to kill those who worship to other gods and invite you to worship their gods. Hasan Edited by honeto - 05 September 2012 at 3:07pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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Greetings Hasan, and welcome back, Just a quick, short reply. Without getting into debate, I have to disagree with you. We do not live in a perfect world. |
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honeto
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Caringheart,
and that is my position, we are in a state of trial. I never said we live in a perfect world. We, and those who came before us and those who will come after us, all have to go through the same state of trial to avail our chance to follow the Will of God or reject it, to our own future of the hereafter. Hasan Edited by honeto - 06 September 2012 at 2:45pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Al Saadiqeen21
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I agree She master of trick's , Meaning she throw Rock's and then hide her Hands .
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One doesn't go to school let His / her's mind to die , They go to school so that their mind will come alive .
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Caringheart
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If I have any agenda, Jergg said it perfectly. As-salam alaykum, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 19 February 2014 at 11:33pm |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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