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Points: 2549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:59pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

assalamu alaikum

Garbage, are male children also having there rights taken away from them. Female circumsision is an islamic practice lack of exposure to traditional islam is what most people are suffering from.

I sugest you understand the difference between Circumcision and mutilation.

The only reason why it is not widely practiced as it used to be is becouse the science has almost been lost entirely and there is a real risk of  the Circumcision becoming mutilation. It was not widely prohibited before, there i a difference.

The Shafii madhhab alows female circumcision, that alone is enough to prohibit people from condeming it.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1702&am p;am p;CATE=89


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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Points: 143 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 6:29pm

It is unfortunate the way this debate is heading. Instead of openly condemning this practise I find now that there is a distinction made in the way this heinous practise is performed. When Allah and His Prophet have not sanctioned this practise the debate should end with open condemnation. Though it is cultural it is the Muslims in certain countries that are practising it and every scholar should condemn it outright. I see a subtle defence of this practise and it is not surprising that it is coming from some of the male quarters. The real sufferers from this are the innocent and helpless females especially children whose rights have been snatched from them even before they can speak and understand.

I do not see any ignorance on the part of the questioner.
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Points: 2549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 3:39pm
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

asslamu alaikum

Female circumsision and mutilation are not the same thing aserting they are is your ignorance, if you insist on stating that they are then your opinion is not in line with msulim scholars or islam.

If you consider male circumsision to be mutilation then there is no discussion what so ever, you are not interested in learning the corect islamic position but to simply argue for or against a religious practice.

Get your baisc premise right beffore you start an argument.



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Points: 1647 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 3:26pm

Originally posted by Begbie Begbie wrote:

Not on my part. You keep saying it is "optional". It is not optional for the 3 year old girl being pinned down though is it ?

Yes "optional" according to people's customs and not according to Islam. Can anyone blame Islam for the cultural habits of different people of this world? I don't think so. 

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Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Here is another statement from the link you have provided by anothor Islamic scholar on the same issue "Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam."
But it still ALLOWS it and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam.
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I think, this new webpage quite categorically makes this thing clear that this practice is not from Islam. I don't know from where the impression of "still ALLOWS it" comes in? Not from this web link at least. 

 But definitely "and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam" is total exaggeration. Hence your assertions are nothing but false.



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Points: 31 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:23am
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

O my dear brother, why is there so much difficulty to understand a basic issue.
Not on my part. You keep saying it is "optional". It is not optional for the 3 year old girl being pinned down though is it ?

Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Here is another statement from the link you have provided by anothor Islamic scholar on the same issue "Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam."
But it still ALLOWS it and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam.


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Points: 1647 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 October 2005 at 7:41pm

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Even so with the "personal" opinon of Shiekh, it is clearly an optional thing for those who don't want to go for it.
It doesn't seem optional to the young girls who suffer with this practice. So I don't agree it is optional. 

O my dear brother, why is there so much difficulty to understand a basic issue. Here is another statement from the link you have provided by anothor Islamic scholar on the same issue "Because there is no absolute proof from the sources of Islam prescribing female circumcision, the vast majority of scholars do not include it in the OBLIGATORY rituals of Islam." If you don't find it, here is the link

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamO nline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=111950354582 6

Look under "Female Circumcision: Is It Really Obligatory? " to reach the above stated link from your provided webpage. Hope this shall pin the issue down, once for all. Inshallah.


 
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Points: 31 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 October 2005 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

This is what I call wastage of time simply because people forget what they wrote and don't want to reconcile if they err. Kindly show us where did Sheikh Qardawi says "It is Shariah" as what you told us concerning him?
I agree my initial assertion that qaradawi said it was sharia is in errror. However, I was trying to stress that the statement I quoted was attributed to qaradawi. The emphasis was on qaradawi's statement not that it was sharia.

Originally posted by AhmadJoyia AhmadJoyia wrote:

Even so with the "personal" opinon of Shiekh, it is clearly an optional thing�for those who don't want to go for it.
It doesn't seem optional to the young girls who suffer with this practice. So I don't agree it is optional.


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Points: 1647 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 October 2005 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by ZEA J ZEA J wrote:

Is  he the same "scholar"who said it is ok for muslim women in UK to leave their homes whithout hijab to avoid harasement,after the london bomb attack?
My brother, this not a logical way of looking at the issue. Everyone has some weaknesses and no one is perfect. However, it doesn't imply that everyone is wrong, all the time. Isn't it? We, therefore, must look at each issue case by case and then comment accordingly rather than developing "impressions".
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