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herjihad
Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473 |
Posted: 12 August 2007 at 3:50am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Salaamu Alaykum, Israeli Avatar's posts are filled with disgust towards all Muslims. If his claims are true of loving certain kinds of Muslims, then he should love Brother Andalus and I because we both abhore oppression of any kind. He posts examples, which I fortunately didn't see, but can imagine from the responses to it, which are awful, the worst behavior of any Muslim citizen turned criminal and ignores all the beautiful things Islaam has done and will continue to do. For example, two of the people I admire most are in reality occupiers of the Phalasteeneeyee land, and yet, I wouldn't have them leave. They are Uri Averny and Daniel Dworsky. Uri would be a great leader of Israel and would be able to bring peace to both sides if the side of evil in Israel were not completely supported with America's weaponry and money. If anyone points out anyone's lack of belief, we need to remember that Allah, The Guide, might choose to change that at any time and this is a political discussion. But I sure would like for my father-in-law to be able to go home for more than just a visit. And even the visits are too much for an older gentleman without much money. It is so tiring to go through Israeli border checks and takes hours and hours and you can't plan for the time or know if they will detain you or any member of your group. Need I remind members not to swear so much? Well, here it is anyway. Stop swearing guys. When we use bigger words like "obfuscate" -- I just love that word Brother Andalus as it applies and will continue to apply to IAvatar and the likes of him -- instead of smaller words like wt... and fr... That silver spoon stuff is nonsense. Muslims are required to be empathetic. We cannot look at someone else's suffering with arrogrance or superiority. We must approach it as all things in life with humility and piety. (I know this not only because it is intuitive that it be so, but also because I have heard some learned sheikhs lecture on loving our fellow Muslims and fellow human beings in such a manner.) Ameen. Salaams
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Israeli_Avatar
Guest Group Joined: 08 August 2007 Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: 12 August 2007 at 7:54am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
I am just paranoid and concentrating on the negative? The negative is always the most prominent, but I think you fail to see that I am doing what many of your brothers do to my civilization. My problem is never the criticism because you guys are correct many of times when you are not espousing paranoid political nonsense about Jewish conspiracies and "Zionist propoganda." Maybe I am just pessimistic, maybe there is plenty of goodness that I do not see, but there is still a myriad of terror and horror that sticks out like a sore thumb. Do I generalize? Sure, but at a certain point, one is forced to generalize. At the same time, I do no more and no less than any one of you when you talk about the Jewish people. I read such hatefull and biased things, when there are millions of Jews (and that is a lot when considering the size of the population) that have radically different views from myself, and are unrealitically optomistic, and support many of you while you call them "filthy pigs" and "dogs." It is just a nightmare. Once again, it is not all your criticism against myself or the state of Israel that is invalid, it is the lack the lack of criticism against your reflections, and the hypocristy that is flawed.
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Israeli_Avatar
Guest Group Joined: 08 August 2007 Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: 12 August 2007 at 8:18am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Israeli Avatar's posts are filled with disgust towards all Muslims. If his claims are true of loving certain kinds of Muslims, then he should love Brother Andalus and I because we both abhore oppression of any kind. He posts examples, which I fortunately didn't see, but can imagine from the responses to it, which are awful, the worst behavior of any Muslim citizen turned criminal and ignores all the beautiful things Islaam has done and will continue to do. Enlighten me and give me examples of this beauty. Are you speaking of the inner peace that Islam provides? Can this not be overshadowed by the nefariousness that one clearly sees when looking at the middle east? For example, two of the people I admire most are in reality occupiers of the Phalasteeneeyee land, and yet, I wouldn't have them leave. They are Uri Averny and Daniel Dworsky. Uri would be a great leader of Israel and would be able to bring peace to both sides if the side of evil in Israel were not completely supported with America's weaponry and money. If anyone points out anyone's lack of belief, we need to remember that Allah, The Guide, might choose to change that at any time and this is a political discussion. You are saying I "obfuscate"? You must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. What you are speaking of will lead to a peace, a peace where Israelies will rest in peace. If Israel will not be supported by American money, it will cease to exist. Like many countries throughout the world, Israel depends on external support. This is not a novel occurrence, nor is this something that shocks me, this is just a reality that has always been, and will always be. What you are speaking about will destroy an entire group of people, this cannot and will not happen. Israel is America's greatest ally, and will always be so. But I sure would like for my father-in-law to be able to go home for more than just a visit. And even the visits are too much for an older gentleman without much money. It is so tiring to go through Israeli border checks and takes hours and hours and you can't plan for the time or know if they will detain you or any member of your group. You know, when I see Palestinians violating the check points, I always call it in, and make sure that they are arrested. I would rather have you tired and pissed off than my children dead. Thank you very much. Need I remind members not to swear so much? Well, here it is anyway. Stop swearing guys. When we use bigger words like "obfuscate" -- I just love that word Brother Andalus as it applies and will continue to apply to IAvatar and the likes of him -- instead of smaller words like wt... and fr... Of course you love such terms when they are spoken of the opposition, it is just human nature. That silver spoon stuff is nonsense. Muslims are required to be empathetic. We cannot look at someone else's suffering with arrogrance or superiority. We must approach it as all things in life with humility and piety. (I know this not only because it is intuitive that it be so, but also because I have heard some learned sheikhs lecture on loving our fellow Muslims and fellow human beings in such a manner.) Ameen. That I agree with, God bless! Salaams Edited by Israeli_Avatar |
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Israeli_Avatar
Guest Group Joined: 08 August 2007 Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: 12 August 2007 at 2:10pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
My argument is not legitimate because it is coming from a personal point of view? First of all, what perspective is non-personal? Second, there is no one charecteristic that defines a perspective, there are many. This is completely foolish, to suggest that this is just coming from a personal perspective; such ideas are devoid of reason, and true meaning.
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Andalus
Moderator Group Joined: 12 October 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
Posted: 13 August 2007 at 12:41am | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Most of your reply here is juvenile �quibbling�, tit for tat responses that only further expose your ignorance and lack of maturity. It is not worth spending any more time on, as what can a person do when, even after pointing to the moon, the fool refuses to look in the referred direction. A fool cannot be made to look at the moon, he can only be given the direction, and it is up to him to look. If the fool still babbles about the ground, then nothing can be done. Here is an example: [andalus] ad hominem. Are you showing your true colors? hmmm [/quote] To which you made such a brilliant reply:
Just like your brothers and sisters. You have lost your credibility. The tautological drivel you have attempted to use to maintain your sophomoric reply to sister "herjihad" and to try and save face to my pointing out of your numerous fallacies and mistakes says volumes about you. You have fooled no one.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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Israeli_Avatar
Guest Group Joined: 08 August 2007 Status: Offline Points: 34 |
Posted: 13 August 2007 at 2:46pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Most of your reply here is juvenile �quibbling�, tit for tat responses that only further expose your ignorance and lack of maturity. It is not worth spending any more time on, as what can a person do when, even after pointing to the moon, the fool refuses to look in the referred direction. A fool cannot be made to look at the moon, he can only be given the direction, and it is up to him to look. If the fool still babbles about the ground, then nothing can be done. Now your just getting blatant, and once again you are dancing around the facts. Stop making excuses for your cowardly and lazy nature. If you do not wish to continue this debate then just say so. A fool like you can definately be made to worship the moon! Here is an example: [andalus] ad hominem. Are you showing your true colors? hmmm [/quote] To which you made such a brilliant reply:
Just like your brothers and sisters. You have lost your credibility. The tautological drivel you have attempted to use to maintain your sophomoric reply to sister "herjihad" and to try and save face to my pointing out of your numerous fallacies and mistakes says volumes about you. I debunked all of your ridiculous responses in totality, you have done nothing. You have presented no scholarly sources, and all you did was espouse a whole bunch of paranoya, and delusion. You have fooled no one. Edited by Israeli_Avatar |
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Andalus
Moderator Group Joined: 12 October 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1187 |
Posted: 13 August 2007 at 11:53pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
There is no debate, you have not been able to keep up with basics. You have been "quibelling". There are no facts you have presented, you are so desperate and ignorant of basic rhetoric, you have the nerve to demand that your "strawman" be a valid point. WHo is being cowardly?
A fool like you can definately be made to worship the moon! Wow! Did you think of that all on your own? LOL....pathetic I guess this is more of your "facts".
Here is an example: [andalus] ad hominem. Are you showing your true colors? hmmm To which you made such a brilliant reply:
Just like your brothers and sisters. You have lost your credibility. [/quote]
Irrelevant. (talk about a cowardly dance, you really danced around my example of your juvenile nature!)
The tautological drivel you have attempted to use to maintain your sophomoric reply to sister "herjihad" and to try and save face to my pointing out of your numerous fallacies and mistakes says volumes about you. I debunked all of your ridiculous responses in totality, you have done nothing. You have presented no scholarly sources, and all you did was espouse a whole bunch of paranoya, and delusion. All you can do is howl and write in large fonts and make claims. The truth is, you did not ever reply to any of my points of your huge blunders in your contribution. (by the way, you did not offer any "scholarly" sources, just tit for tat drivel that amounted to you "disagreeing"). As I have said before, how pathetic and ignorant you are to agree that you committed a fallacy, and the demand that it be valid. LOL......PATHETIC.
You have fooled no one. My statements were about the poor logic in your unsupported claims. You just kept on and on and on with drivel ad nausium! The point was about "logic"..Duh! You are so out of gas. I mean, lets look at your proud example of a poorly written zioinst "pitty party" piece...lets look at your "scholarly" sources..
1. Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism, (NY: W.W Norton and Co., 1976), p. 11; Bernard Lewis, Semites & Anti-Semites, (NY: WW Norton & Co., 1986), p. 81. 2. Bernard Lewis, "The Pro-Islamic Jews," Judaism, (Fall 1968), p. 401. 3. Bat Ye'or, The Dhimmi, (NJ: Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1985), pp. 43-44. 4. Bat Yeor, pp. 30, 56-57; Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: Vie sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954), p. 348. 5. Bat Yeor, pp. 185-86, 191, 194. 6. Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands, (PA: The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1979), pp. 59, 284. 7. Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, (Tel Aviv: World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, 1977), pp. 26-27. 8. Bat Ye'or, p. 61 9. G.E. Von Grunebaum, "Eastern Jewry Under Islam," Viator, (1971), p. 369. 10. Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam, (NJ: Princeton University Press, 1984) p. 158. 11. Middle Eastern Studies, (1971), p. 232. 12. New York Times, (February 19, 1947). 13. Roumani, pp. 30-31.
This list looks like the whos-who at a Jewish wedding. Are you that arrogant and ignorant that you really believe that this is a real historical piece worthy of any scholarly trust? Are you that out of your mind? Seriously. Pathetic.
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A feeling of discouragement when you slip up is a sure sign that you put your faith in deeds. -Ibn 'Ata'llah
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Israfil
Senior Member Joined: 08 September 2003 Status: Offline Points: 3984 |
Posted: 15 August 2007 at 3:25pm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
1. Vamberto Morais, A Short History of Anti-Semitism, (NY: W.W Norton and Co., 1976), p. 11; Bernard Lewis, Semites & Anti-Semites, (NY: WW Norton & Co., 1986), p. 81. 2. Bernard Lewis, "The Pro-Islamic Jews," Judaism, (Fall 1968), p. 401. 3. Bat Ye'or, The Dhimmi, (NJ: Fairleigh Dickinson University Press, 1985), pp. 43-44. 4. Bat Yeor, pp. 30, 56-57; Louis Gardet, La Cite Musulmane: Vie sociale et politique, (Paris: Etudes musulmanes, 1954), p. 348. 5. Bat Yeor, pp. 185-86, 191, 194. 6. Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands, (PA: The Jewish Publication Society of America, 1979), pp. 59, 284. 7. Maurice Roumani, The Case of the Jews from Arab Countries: A Neglected Issue, (Tel Aviv: World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries, 1977), pp. 26-27. 8. Bat Ye'or, p. 61 9. G.E. Von Grunebaum, "Eastern Jewry Under Islam," Viator, (1971), p. 369. 10. Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam, (NJ: Princeton University Press, 1984) p. 158. 11. Middle Eastern Studies, (1971), p. 232. 12. New York Times, (February 19, 1947). 13. Roumani, pp. 30-31.
This list looks like the whos-who at a Jewish wedding. That was really funny......... |
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