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Tim the plumber
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The same obvious arguments I make were made back then with the same lack of actually dealing with them. |
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Tim the plumber
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So the challenge is to make a piece of writing that is as good as the Koran with the criteria of being as good defined by being the Koran? I can see why that is a safe bet. |
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Dr. Aslam
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We know your point of view but do not agree with it.
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Aslam Abdullah |
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akthus
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The real challenge for Muslims and other religions that claim theirs is the true religion is to be transparent and base answers on proven fact.
Unfortunately it can not be stated as fact that the Koran is the word of God because no evidence has been produced to suggest it is. The same can be said about the Bible which was produced by maybe 30 to 40 people. The bible is just a collection of stories. |
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Dr. Aslam
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You raised a very interesting point. No religious book was compiled in the life time of the person that claims that he was getting the revelations from God in his life time eith the exception of the Quran. All texts except the Quran were written by the disciples based on what they heard. The Quran was compiled in the life time of the prophet under his supervision.
Now this issue is a mute issue. We ha e people believing primarily that most of us are born in that faith. Let us make the best of that belief system. |
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Tim the plumber
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The book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith. He is the originator of the cult, Mormons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon The church of Scientology was made up by L.Ron Hubard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology Both obviously drivel of course but they still managed to create religons. |
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airmano
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Thanks for this contribution ! Actually I'm impressed by your knowledge of details, are you a former Muslim ? I have read a good part of the Quran (before I fell asleep) and I was aware of 2:106,. However I did not stumble over/realize the importance of 22:52 before. 22.52 clearly "admits" that Satan managed to introduce noise into the God->Prophet transmission channel (How could this happen, was He busy elsewhere in these moments ?). It also makes the [historicity of the] Satanic Verses much more likely than I ever thought before since it sounds indeed like a direct response to these "allegations". In essence this verse is nothing else than a nuclear meltdown of the Islamic dogma of the "direct untouched message" from god. Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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airmano
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@Dr Aslam
Sorry, this is incorrect. Joseph Smith compiled the "book of mormons" during his lifetime. It definitely is one of the fastest growing religious communities. They even claim [as everybody else] that their religion is the fastest growing own earth ! Airmano
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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