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Points: 8 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote debatedebate Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 March 2018 at 9:40pm
This account is there in tafsirs of the greatest Islamic scholars like AL-Jalalyn, Ibn Abbas & Al-Wahidi & have been accepted by Muslims for centuries. Now you reject them?

Even if you reject the story in the tafsir, verse 22-52 is very clear of what it means, that Satan have  made all prophets to recite false verses, which means they were not able differentiate it from verse from Allah. Tq
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As I stated,  a tafsir is not the Quran and this expression is not in the Quran.
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Dr. Aslam I think your ignoring the fact that the Quran never gives regulations when it puts forth the challenge to produce a Surah like it. The Quran never said to produce a Surah that has to be part of the Quran itself since that wouldn't make any sense.
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You are adamant in proving the accuracy of this story and your assertion that the Quran is not from God. As I told you earlier, Muslims do not share your views. Muslims have rejected these views. Why are you wasting your time by repeating what Muslims have already rejected.
If the purpose of your writing is to create doubt in the minds of Muslims, then be assured, Muslims have no doubt about the accuracy of the Quran or the authenticity of the Prophet.
Also, no Muslim is forcing you to believe their view point.
Leave this for the final day.
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Originally posted by Dr. Aslam Dr. Aslam wrote:

You are adamant in proving the accuracy of this story and your assertion that the Quran is not from God. As I told you earlier, Muslims do not share your views. Muslims have rejected these views. Why are you wasting your time by repeating what Muslims have already rejected.
If the purpose of your writing is to create doubt in the minds of Muslims, then be assured, Muslims have no doubt about the accuracy of the Quran or the authenticity of the Prophet.
Also, no Muslim is forcing you to believe their view point.
Leave this for the final day.


I believe his pointis not that it should or should not be considered part of the Koran but if the passage is of similar quality to pass the challenge.

In that does it? And if not why not?
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This is what the verse 22:42 says
Yet whenever We sent forth any apostle or prophet before thee, and he was hoping   [that his warnings would be heeded], Satan would cast an asper­sion on his innermost aims:   but God renders null and void whatever aspersion Satan may cast; and God makes His messages clear in and by themselves   for God is all-knowing, wise

It simply means that Satanic forces would try to create doubt and aspersions in the mind of believers but it would not make an impact upon the believers.

What you are doing is exactly what the Quran is alluding to.
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Well Tim, the quality of the text is determined from the standard of the Quran not on the basis its literary value but on the basis of its divine origin. The Quran is essentially saying that the Guidance in the form of revelation comes from the divine only.
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Asep once described the way the latent meaning in the etymology of the individual words in Qu'ran influences the manifest meaning of a general reading.

It would seem that would be one scholastic criterion for discerning Qu'ranic 'quality' from Arabic wisdom literature or poetry. Certainly one would need to use the original language. Perhaps comparing the master poet Rumi to the Qur'an.

I have read some al Ghazali but not "The Incoherence of the Philosophers". The title indicates it may be of value in this discussion.
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