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Begbie
Newbie Joined: 29 September 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 31 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:23am | ||
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AhmadJoyia
Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1647 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 3:26pm | ||
Yes "optional" according to people's customs and not according to Islam. Can anyone blame Islam for the cultural habits of different people of this world? I don't think so.
I think, this new webpage quite categorically makes this thing clear that this practice is not from Islam. I don't know from where the impression of "still ALLOWS it" comes in? Not from this web link at least. But definitely "and in some cases, PROMOTES it as a ritual of islam" is total exaggeration. Hence your assertions are nothing but false. Edited by AhmadJoyia |
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rami
Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 3:39pm | ||
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
asslamu alaikum Female circumsision and mutilation are not the same thing aserting they are is your ignorance, if you insist on stating that they are then your opinion is not in line with msulim scholars or islam. If you consider male circumsision to be mutilation then there is no discussion what so ever, you are not interested in learning the corect islamic position but to simply argue for or against a religious practice. Get your baisc premise right beffore you start an argument. Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Maryga
Senior Member Joined: 10 July 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 143 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 6:29pm | ||
It is unfortunate the way this debate is heading. Instead of openly condemning this practise I find now that there is a distinction made in the way this heinous practise is performed. When Allah and His Prophet have not sanctioned this practise the debate should end with open condemnation. Though it is cultural it is the Muslims in certain countries that are practising it and every scholar should condemn it outright. I see a subtle defence of this practise and it is not surprising that it is coming from some of the male quarters. The real sufferers from this are the innocent and helpless females especially children whose rights have been snatched from them even before they can speak and understand. I do not see any ignorance on the part of the questioner. |
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rami
Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 7:59pm | ||
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum Garbage, are male children also having there rights taken away from them. Female circumsision is an islamic practice lack of exposure to traditional islam is what most people are suffering from. I sugest you understand the difference between Circumcision and mutilation. The only reason why it is not widely practiced as it used to be is becouse the science has almost been lost entirely and there is a real risk of the Circumcision becoming mutilation. It was not widely prohibited before, there i a difference. The Shafii madhhab alows female circumcision, that alone is enough to prohibit people from condeming it. http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1702&am p;am p;CATE=89 Edited by rami |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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hafezabutaleb
Newbie Joined: 06 November 2001 Location: allahs Status: Offline Points: 11 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 9:31pm | ||
My Feeling on this is That Probaly should be forbidden in islam, What
is the Moral Behind it. Males are cucumsized to follow the covenent of
abraham. there is no need for this. This is Not Sanctioned by Allah.
Were you there When He Commanaded Thus? It is Allah Who gives plesure
and pain. Wold you then Rob some one of the gifts and Graces Allah has
Given?
Peace |
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Maryga
Senior Member Joined: 10 July 2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 143 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 10:50pm | ||
Well said hafezabutaleb. Seems like the shafi madhab has received special sanctions, if what is being said is true. Shameful and sickening! May Allah save the innocent female children who before Islam used to be buried alive and now are subjected to torture under the pretense of the sanctions of the shafi madhab.
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rami
Moderator Group Male Joined: 01 March 2000 Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: 11 October 2005 at 11:06pm | ||
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
hafezabutaleb If you do not know the reason behind it then do not comment, if you do not know on what basis the law in the shafii madhhab has been established then what are talking about. It is Allah Who gives plesure and pain. Wold you then Rob some one of the gifts and Graces Allah has Given? this clearly shows your ignorance of what female Circumcision entails, it does not take away the womens ability to enjoy marital relation, mutilation does but as i have clearly said and shown they are not the same thing. Maryga do you know what a madhhab even is? what pretence are you talking about, can you tell me on what basis the shafii madhhab has made this ruling what are the reasons? do you even know the procedure that is being discussed, and why you are calling it mutilation. if not then nothing you have said is of value only emotional outbursts due to a lack of understanding of the matter. |
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