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Dear Saved,
In my opinion, if all the contents of Gospel now are still pure as the word of Allah, then Allah will not derive the Quran. Indeed, Muhammad has died, but he will give intercede on the day of calculation of human deeds in Mahsyar (a place after apocalypse). I will only get the grace and mercy directly from Allah, because only Allah who can give it. I had previously explained about Uthman and the Quran in this forum. If there are people do not believe in the Quran, it is their right not to believe, maybe even Muslims who still doubt about the Quran, it is their right. However I will not be separated from the Quran, why ? because the verses in the Quran has given miracles in my life experience, including that related to health, events that outside of science, etc. Regards, Asep |
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Edited by Saved - 18 December 2016 at 7:15pm |
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Dear Saved,
Satan is always calling for evil and accidents, while the angels are always calling for the goodness and salvation. Then if I survived from a disaster, did satan operate in the supernatural realm? while such disaster occurs when I was reading the word of Allah. Regards, Asep |
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Surviving disaster or falling into disaster are not indicators we are doing God's will. Satan often uses circumstances to deceive people into doing his will that is contrary to God. Satan can do nothing to me unless God gives him the permission. That is because I have Jesus living inside of me. He is the Word of Allah who was and is in flesh appearing! Not knowing Jesus puts us in spiritual turmoil and peril leaving us at the mercy of Satan who has no mercy, but only subtle deception. Edited by Saved - 01 January 2017 at 4:41pm |
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Dear Saved,
Sorry, I was in hurry, I mean "do badness" All religions acknowledge that Satan deceive people, do you consider that the word of God in the Quran I read is a trick of Satan? Regards, Asep Edited by asep48garut60 - 02 January 2017 at 2:51pm |
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No problem, I understand. I read through these Quranic scriptures, and I would like to comment on this one first: 5:17: They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. We Christians understand Christ is the Word of Allah. He is the Word Allah used to create all things. He would never destroy His Word. That would be like the kingdom divided against itself. No Christian ever said Christ is Allah or the Father. We say God is one and Jesus is His Word; Muslims say Allah is one and Muhammad is his messenger. We can associate the Word of God to God Himself without committing idolatry but not a messenger; besides, how is it Muslims can consider Muhammad the messenger when the messenger was supposed to be Gabriel? Muhammad simply recited the messenger. How does that make him the messenger? Angel means messenger! To Christians Jesus is not a messenger; He is the Message. Lets look at 5:18: But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills..... I don't speak for the Jews, but the Christians never say Allah punishes us, because Jesus took the punishment we deserved on the cross. Those who don't have Jesus as their Savior pay for their own sins in the past, present and future because God is just. It will be a horrible deserved punishment and an eternal separation from all that is called Allah/God, the life, the truth, the way and the light and peace. I don't fear the Allah of the Quran because: Allah questions Jesus: "Did you say take you and your mother for two gods besides me... (He also says) they do disbelieve who say Allah is the third of three." Allah alludes to a false trinity concept here about Christianity. That is an implied son, mother and father trinity and no Christian ever believed this concept. Also Allah thought that Christians consider him the third person of the trinity. That is wrong as well. All it takes is one discrepancy to convince me that I need not fear the Allah of Muhammad's Quran. The Holy Spirit is God, because God is not flesh and blood; He is Spirit and He is Holy; therefore, He is the Holy Spirit, but Muslim believe Gabriel is God's Holy Spirit. This is not correct, but I cannot help notice that Allah has a spirit according to the Quran. I have a spirit too. I was made in God's image and likeness as you all are. My spirit is the real me. I am a soul. I have a body and spirit. In my minds eye, Islam is mostly a reaction against Christianity. PBUY and Happy New Year 2017, Saved The Gospel states: https://www.openbible.info/topics/false_prophets Edited by Saved - 02 January 2017 at 3:06pm |
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Peace unto you.
Saved, how are you? You sound like David Wood. It's a very long time I didn't visit this forum. Anyway, I did a quick brush true on this thread and it seems to you are doing well with your OPINION on the writings, don't forget there is a BIG DIFFERENCE from what is OPINION (IDEA) from what the message really says. Let me show you what I mean. You posted this as a reply:
And you mentioned there that Jesus (S) said: "No one comes to the father (Allah) except through me" What do you understand by that statement? Please explain. Thank you! Br. Zainool |
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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!
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