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The Saint
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You're shooting blanks, Mr. Saint! You're trying to be offensive (why?), but you only end up being ridiculous, because we don't care what you think about our sexuality!
That you do not care what people think about your sexuality is the most blatant and perverted lie! You know you feel conscious of your strange and unnatural preference. You feel guilty about it. I have heard all of you on the subject and it is always a defiant plaint. It is obvious, remarks such as I make, hurt you. They are meant to hurt you. Just so that you know that your attitudes and remarks may hurt others. More tomorrow, In Sha Allah. |
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Tim the plumber
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How does his sexuality (whatever it is) hurt you? How does my attitude hurt you? How does my not believing in your chosen form of God hurt you? Why are you so lacking in confidence when your strange professed beliefs are challenged? I think we all know the answers. |
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The Saint
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Why not? Aristotle used those terms nearly a thousand years ago. It's not like the concepts were unknown. Of course, maybe ("mebbe"Wink) they were unknown to Muhammad...
Yes, you keep on saying it but have difficulty in accepting it that Muhammad PBUH was not literate. Therefore, he did not know those terms, even if they were known inside or outside Arabia. Where? Explain to me how 30:48 or any other Quranic verse even hints at evaporation, cooling or condensation. If you are looking for those exact words in a book of moral guidance you are going to be very disappointed. As regards the presence of the said ideas in the Quran you can find them as follows: � We (Allah) send down water from the sky in measure an lodged it in the ground and we certainly are able to withdraw it � (Sura 23, 18-19 Verses) the above verses are explaining the complete water cycle i.e., water fall, penetration of water in the soil and evaporation phenomenon. � Allah is the one who sends forth the winds which rised up the clouds he spreads them in the sky as he wills and breaks them into the fragments then thou seest raindrops issuing from within them (Sura 30, Verse 48) " The above verses clarify the processes of evaporation, condensation, fragmentation and rain-cycle. http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_51_100/hydrology_or_water_cycle_in_qur.htm Occam's Razor. The same reason we reject Russell's Teapot. Or as Pierre-Simon Laplace (allegedly) said, "I have no need for that hypothesis." Laplace may not need that hypothesis, as he called it. But what does that mean? Should everyone start aping Laplace just because he has no need for a belief in God? Who or what is Laplace, why should he be aped or believed? And why should thousand's of Allah's Prophets PBUT all be rejected? Is it sensible? Does your plea make any kind of sense at all? It is incongruous! Sure I did. Twice, in fact. The answer is Occam's Razor. (You do know the term, right?) In other words, we reject the God Hypothesis because we have no need for it, i.e. it is unnecessary. It has no explanatory value. Occam's Razor simply suggests that to solve a problem the easiest or the simplest explanation be accepted. How can you reject God Hypothesis on the basis of that? Tell me is not God Hypothesis the easiest to explain Creation? "More things should not be used than are necessary." According to what Occam originally said, as quoted, how is the idea of God an extra? The idea of God is a natural occurrence in our minds. It is needed. It is innate for human beings to believe in something. "Basic and axiomatic beliefs are foundational: they provide a basis for a coherent world view. They answer questions and facilitate knowledge. For example, God�s existence, explains conscious emergence, the fact that we have consciousness within a material world. It answers the questions for which we have no answer, like the question of language. Currently, evolutionary paradigms can�t explain the development of language. It also explains the existence of objective moral truths and offers a foundation for explaining why things happen." "I require knowledge of western cuisine and Italian culture. But when it comes to the idea of God�s existence as the creator of the universe, you do not require any information transfer, whether from culture, or education. This is why sociologists and anthropologists argue that even if atheist children were stranded on a desert island, they would come to believe that something created the desert island." The God Hypothesis is unnecessary. Not to mention highly improbable. Why is it unnecessary? Why is it improbable? Evolution theory is not universally accepted? In fact, per ground realities God is more widely accepted. And I say belief in God as necessary to make sense of the world. Being a natural tendency does not make it true. It is a natural tendency for children to believe that their parents are omnipotent and omniscient. When they learn that this is false, it is also a natural tendency to transfer this belief elsewhere. But it's still false. Why do children transfer that belief from parents to God? How and where was this tendency born? And how can you sway it is false? What grounds do you have? Where did I say I accept magical beings? I do not remember where you said it. But you did. When I find the post where you said it I will tell you. |
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Matt
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Sigh! This long ago became farcical. I don't know if The Saint is deliberately trying to waste people's time or is just genuinely st**id. But whatever the case, the pattern will repeat ad infinitum. He will meet carefully reasoned arguments with utter nonsense, interspersed with random insults. This is the last time I will engage with anything he has to say... In answer to his above question - no, god is not the easiest explanation, because it is not even an explanation. It is no more an explanation than saying "it just is" or "because I say so". And now I leave the floor open to him to provide a rapier response such as "you are gay" or "here is scientific proof that you are wrong - SOME MUSLIM ON THE INTERNET SAYS SO" Edited by Matt - 02 October 2015 at 7:55am |
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The Saint
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Of course we are capable of having opinions about deities. Otherwise, how could you say "Allahu Akbar"? I think it's fair to assume that an Omnipotent Being ought to be able to do better than Coca-Cola.
Have I answered this post? Anyway I shall answer it again. I think an omnipotent being ought to be able to do better than Coca Cola, actually the makers of the Coca Cola. And considering your apparent erudition you should be able to do better than a lizard? Can't you? Some did not accept it; but most never even received it. Because Allah failed to deliver it. It was their loss and it is your loss. Allah SWT did not, does not lose anything. He is free of all needs. (ignoring the attempt to change the subject) We're not talking about "thrusting religion down everyone's throat". We're talking about communicating the Quran to all humankind, and letting individuals decide for themselves whether to accept it. Most people never even get to decide. God Almighty does not engage in commercial enterprises. Therefore, neither does he use TV or newspapers. He uses chosen men, which He did. He sent down a revelation and allowed it to spread to those who were/are interested in His word. Those who are not interested or those who reject it, He allows to go wherever they want to and do whatever they want to. OTOH, Coca cola is advertised by people whose only interest is making money. I am hoping you understand now. Every day tens of thousands of people die, never having had the opportunity to hear or read the Quran. They shall be judged on the basis of the fact whether Islam was offered to them or not. |
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The Saint
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Originally posted by The Saint
At the time the Quranic verses were revealed no one in the world knew about the water cycle. I'm sorry, but Jamal Badawi (whom you are quoting) is mistaken. Here is what Aristotle wrote in his treatise on Meteorology, nearly a thousand years earlier: Now the sun, moving as it does, sets up processes of change and becoming and decay, and by its agency the finest and sweetest water is every day carried up and is dissolved into vapour and rises to the upper region, where it is condensed again by the cold and so returns to the earth. This, as we have said before, is the regular course of nature. Dr Badawi must have meant no one Arabia knew about it. |
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The Saint
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Very good article! Wonder if the jinn-seekers are educating themselves at this site.
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Ron Webb
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For the record, Mr. Saint, I'm not gay; nor have I said anything on this forum to suggest that I am. As usual, you are making up stuff without evidence and proclaiming it to be true. But go ahead -- make a fool of yourself! I really don't mind. I don't know where you live, but in my society being gay is no longer something to be ashamed of. Those few people who still use it as an insult merely show themselves to be narrow-minded bigots. All you're doing is undermining your own credibility. Not that you had much to begin with! |
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