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Caringheart
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Yes. Good examples of bad music, and how the wrong music can have a bad influence. What can be said about this? Is this the prayer(chant) that is said five times a day? What is its message? What thought does it implant in the reciters mind? Why do you think you are called to say it five times a day? 1:1 (Asad) In the name of God, The Most Gracious, The Dispenser of Grace: 1:2 (Asad) All praise is due to God alone, the Sustainer of all the worlds, 1:3 (Asad) The Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace, 1:4 (Asad) Lord of the Day of Judgment. 1:5 (Asad) Thee alone do we worship; and unto Thee alone do we turn for aid. 1:6 (Asad) Guide us the straight way. 1:7 (Asad) The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray! What about the call to prayer? The call to prayer sounds dangerously close to brain washing to me. If you repeat something often enough to yourself you are apt to believe it. Mind control? Do not think that you are far, and you are safe, from the actions of these other extremists. Just my thoughts on the matter. Something to be considered. I have been bothered by this for some time but have said nothing. I want to know what the Muslim interprets this prayer to mean. You see... the prayer taught by Jesus... the Christian prayer, speaks only about themselves and God. Jesus makes no mention of Himself. It does not address other people but the relationship between the individual and God. As far as how to treat others it aks forgiveness for trespasses and says to forgive those who trespass against... and be led not into temptation. It says nothing about those who might lead us into temptation but places the responsibility between the individual and God. Our Father, who art in heaven Hallowed be Thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we gorgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil Amen. I bring this up on this thread only because it has been said that the Muslim's prayer is his music. Edited by Caringheart - 09 August 2012 at 1:01pm |
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honeto
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Matt, that is only if we can define what religion is. For me, as a Muslim, it is a way of life that guide me about everything from the time I open my eyes in the morning to the time I go back to sleep, and every moment in between. It is not a 9-5 and weekend off thing, it is 24/7. It guides me from as basic things like how to go to bathroom properly to how clean one's self before presenting him/herself in front of our Creator, God Almighty. To not waste what I may have in abundance. How to properly take care of this body given to me in a trust and not misusing it. How to nourish my body and nourish my soul properly by following rules that allow certain things and behaviors and not allow others. What are my duties and obligations to others, my family, neighbor, relatives and beyond, not to mention my Creator. In short it covers and provide guidance toward every aspect of life, and I am willingly and happily abiding by its guidelines. I do not think anyone can tell me that I should not do it. It should not bother anyone, just like I do not bother my next door neighbor who may do everything opposite to it. What we may do however is to exchange ideas, with no obligation and no forcing, not to mention not putting the others down. And be ready to answer the questions to whom we preach, similarly I expect the one who preaches me to have their answer to my questions ready! Hasan Edited by honeto - 09 August 2012 at 4:55pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Chrysalis
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You posted the translation of some of the verses we recite during prayer. Anything objectionable in its contents? The entire prayer is basically us asking for guidance and glorifying God.
Here are some things to consider: - First of all, there is nothing objectionable in the contents of the Adhaan (call to prayer). It basically says God is Great, and come for prayers... - Its not music. - Majority of Muslims in this world (60-70% if not more) do not have Arabic for a mother tongue. Most of them don't even understand arabic. Even if the call to prayer was brain-washing, in order for these muslims to be brainwashed, they would need to understand what is being said.
And the prayers taught to us by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) also speak about God. We seek blessings for other Prophets and our parents during prayer. |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Caringheart
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It is the last line "1:7 (Asad) The way of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, not of those who have been condemned [by Thee], nor of those who go astray!"Does this not refer to others besides self and God? and the call to prayer "Majority of Muslims in this world (60-70% if not more) do not have Arabic for a mother tongue. Most of them don't even understand arabic."Wow, I did not know that. I naturally would think that all persons living in the mid-east(arab) nations were Arabic speaking. Either way, surely they know what the call to prayer says, no? I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah. |
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honeto
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Caringheart, I think there is nothing wrong with music of praising God lifting your spirit. If you read my post, it depends what people describe as music. Like I have said, Adhan, and recitation of Quran is done in a balanced tones with rhythm, and is considered music by out siders, no instrument needed! Hasan Edited by honeto - 11 August 2012 at 11:14am |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Matt Browne
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That depends on how you define the scope of your religion. Some Muslims refuse to use tooth brushes and tooth paste and use wood to clean their teeth just like prophet Muhammad did. Now is cleaning your teeth trivial or not? Should religion focus on this or should it focus on how 7 billion people on a small planet can get along with each other? And how everyone can live a decent life instead of poverty? The problem of strict orthodox Islam is that it tries to get involved into every minute of a devout Muslim's life and require obedience even if it doesn't make sense in the 21st century. I totally agree with you that there is horrible music out there which is totally dumb, disgusting and mind-numbing. I discourage this and if Islam discourages that too, that's fine with me. Just out of curiosity, does Islam encourage or discourage Bach's Brandenburg concertos? What about the Beatles? Edited by Matt Browne - 12 August 2012 at 4:01am |
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honeto
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Its like asking can a basketball player text while playing?
There are too many things involved. Music artist are often treated as idols that creates a conflict of belief. Often, the contents of their music are objectionable, unknown. Those artists taken as idols, them and their lives are sometimes not good moral examples thus creating a conflict. How can you listen and admire someone for their music when they are at odds with your belief of what is good and what is bad. List is long but I hope the point is made. We can find all excuses and ways to please ourselves and keep progressing in it with time always taking a step further by turning unlawful into lawful, but a believer by heart and mind find ways to please his maker consistently while enjoying what is made lawful for him. Does it come at some price? Yes. Does it please everyone else? No. Does it make him look idle and unwilling to compromise? Yes. That's just a good believer. My two cents. Hasan Edited by honeto - 13 August 2012 at 3:25pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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No one ever answered my questions about David and the Zabur, and what it says in the Zabur...
Psalm 98, Psalm 100, and Psalm 147 "What does the Qur'an say, if anything, about David who wrote the zabur?" Thanks. Edited by Caringheart - 15 August 2012 at 3:44pm |
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