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    Posted: 13 August 2018 at 10:43pm
From my point of view its the beauty of islam that there is no doubt in oneness of ALLAH
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Originally posted by sara majid sara majid wrote:

From an islamic stand point the beauty of Allah does reside in the elegance of the Creator being one. To me that is a beautiful concept. 

Plus if you read the Quran on many areas he is declaring Him as the One. The greatest. The king of kings. The Creator. And there is so many verses in that reality. Only he has supreme power of life. 

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Yes....You are right.
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Life and death sister.
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From an islamic stand point the beauty of Allah does reside in the elegance of the Creator being one. To me that is a beautiful concept. 

Plus if you read the Quran on many areas he is declaring Him as the One. The greatest. The king of kings. The Creator. And there is so many verses in that reality. Only he has supreme power of life. 
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Originally posted by airmano airmano wrote:

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Quote The weather is simply too complex for any predictive mechanism to work no matter how good at doing all the maths it is.

How would you define "all-knowledgeable" ?

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I'm not sure. But my point is that even if all the positions of all the atoms in the air and all the atoms of all the other parts of the universe and their motion is know to an all powerful mind then predicting the weather 2 months in advance with accuracy is beyond the capacity for mathamatics. Just how it is.

Thus you can have the situation of something being all-knowing and not be able to predict with absolute accuracy the furture.

Obviously there are lots of things you can predict about the weather in 2 months with decent accuracy and know that it will generally follow the pattern of weather in August etc. Just not the detail.
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It is not about just Allah being all-knowing, but also able/mighty. He doesn't need to prove anything to you though he is all-merciful. It is a matter of survival of the strongest, and Allah is not able to predict many things (true), however where there are 'walls', guided by wisdom he can break through them. However the good news is that he doesn't break any wall he sees, because he is wise. He is all-knowing because the thinking power, the computers are the Prophets and thei've surrendered their will to Allah. The True Truth. And the True Truth knows everything. Guided by wisdom we can connect to Allah. Prayer in arabic means connection.
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@Tim
Quote The weather is simply too complex for any predictive mechanism to work no matter how good at doing all the maths it is.

How would you define "all-knowledgeable" ?

Airmano
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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Originally posted by airmano airmano wrote:

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Quote The more systems you have interacting with one another the many times more it is true. Very very quickly the whole thing is unpredictable.
Perfectly true for humans, but here we face the claim of an all-knowledgeable being, and this is where (and why) the trouble starts.
Not the same.


@Miaw:
Any news on this subject ?


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Disappointingly no. Although a better computer would allow the waether men to predict the weather better the most perfect computer theoretically possible will not allow them to predict the British weather more than 4 weeks in advance. The weather is simply too complex for any predictive mechanism to work no matter how good at doing all the maths it is.

So it is technically possible for an all knowing entity with all the computer thinking power possible to be unable to predict the weather more than a few weeks in advance.

Weather is very simple compared to human though. Well sometimes, human thought can often be very predictable....
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