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 Hi Gibbs,

  "Every non-Muslim who lives in Islam and dies without believing,will repent in the darkness of grave even before being lain in his grave, the death moment when the angle come to take his soul,  he will see that he dose not believe in the truth and will repent for denying it. He would ask for more time to believe but it is impossible to have one minute more than the life Allah has written for him.

  God created us for a great aim in this life and created all of this huge universe  with  a purpose,  then if you do not obey him, we will repent, but the killing sad thing is repentance when it is over."
 
Full of Hopes it is my opinion that any living deity that exercises dominance over this universe is beyond religion, race, gender etc. With that being said unfortunately I don't believe as you do. I do believe that their is moral accountability for what we do in this life, and I believe the Hindus (or Buddhist) call it Karma. I do personally believe in an autonomous deity but that's besides the point. the point is in the U.S. why should I repent for exercising free speech or am I misunderstanding the response as empathetic?
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Abdullah let me rephrase since you didn't understand the first time (in bold) repentence is a religious term and requires some sort of deity to repent to therefore, assuming the person is not muslim or assuming the person is areligious why should they repent for an opinion?
 
Again your response is the assumption that Muhammad existed and Islam is the "true" religion on Earth. But regardless, there are people in the world that don't believe in Islam and have a negative opinion of it and its prophet so my question remains: if someone is exercising their free speech why should they repent for it? In addition take in the consideration that they don't believe in Islam or the last day. Why is your response is that they should repent when obviously based on their remark they don't believe in Islam, Allah, or the last day period?
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Topics discussed in this Verse:
[Allah:will change evil into good] [Allah's attributes:Most Merciful] [Allah's attributes:Oft_Forgiving] [Allah's servants description of:description of] [Repentance]


25:70 (Y. Ali) Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful,
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Salams,F.O.H.JazakAllah Kheiran for your reply.Gibbs,I also said:"they will eventually face a penalty should it come from man or from Allah."you say: "why should someone repent for their opinion"The question is already answered(educate).Prophet Muhammad(SAW)is not just a Prophet to Muslims.He(SAW)recieved revelation of the Holy Qur'an for the whole world not just "Muslim country"The Holy Qur'an is a Book of Mercy (AL-Qur'an)Al-A'raf:199-200.Show forgivness,enjoin good and avoid the ignorant.If Shaitan tempts you,seek refuge with Allah;for He is the one Who is All-Hearing,All-Knowing.(200)Those who fear Allah,when they are tempted by Shaitan,they have but to remember Allah and they shall see the light(right course of action).
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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Ok, so can you explain why someone should "repent" for making a negative comment? Again I quoted the word repent as it is a religious term. Again so why should someone repent for their opinion? I agree with you in calling the person 'ignorant' for perhaps making a false accusation but repentance is another thing.


  Hi Gibbs,

  Every non-Muslim who lives in Islam and dies without believing,will repent in the darkness of grave even before being lain in his grave, the death moment when the angle come to take his soul,  he will see that he dose not believe in the truth and will repent for denying it. He would ask for more time to believe but it is impossible to have one minute more than the life Allah has written for him.

  God created us for a great aim in this life and created all of this huge universe  with  a purpose,  then if you do not obey him, we will repent, but the killing sad thing is repentance when it is over.



Edited by Full of Hopes - 20 October 2009 at 9:37am
And whoever seeks a religion other than Isl�m, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers(3:85)
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Ok, so can you explain why someone should "repent" for making a negative comment? Again I quoted the word repent as it is a religious term. Again so why should someone repent for their opinion? I agree with you in calling the person 'ignorant' for perhaps making a false accusation but repentence is another thing.
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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

I disagree Abdullah.....
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If you live in the United States or any country in which citizens have the right to express opinions so long as it does not cause harm to others, then as a citizen you have every right to that opinion even if it means making negative remarks. Now if I'm correct, by law you cannot be prosecuted (In American courts) for defaming or slandering the dead.

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Now I do believe that anyone making comments that defames the prophet of Islam ina Muslim country that is governed by Islamic law should be subject to their law (even if it means death although death as a punishment in my opinion is quite extreme over words).

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I wouldn't say they should repent as repenting is the behavior of someone believing in the object they are repenting to. I believe as a citizen it is everyones right to say what they want so long as it doesn't physically injure others.
If someone who is uneducated about the Prophets(As)(SAW)or ignorant and becomes educated that person would want to repent for the things that he said before when he had no knowledge,you see im throwing around the word (educate)Muslims and Christians have the same Prophets(As)and Prophet Muhammad(SAW)is not just a Prophet to Muslims.He(SAW)recieved revelation of the Holy Qur'an for the whole world not just "Muslim country"
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I disagree Abdullah.....
 
If you live in the United States or any country in which citizens have the right to express opinions so long as it does not cause harm to others, then as a citizen you have every right to that opinion even if it means making negative remarks. Now if I'm correct, by law you cannot be prosecuted (In American courts) for defaming or slandering the dead.
 
Now I do believe that anyone making comments that defames the prophet of Islam ina Muslim country that is governed by Islamic law should be subject to their law (even if it means death although death as a punishment in my opinion is quite extreme over words).
 
I wouldn't say they should repent as repenting is the behavior of someone believing in the object they are repenting to. I believe as a citizen it is everyones right to say what they want so long as it doesn't physically injure others.


Edited by Gibbs - 20 October 2009 at 7:58am
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